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it does belong in OT - this thread is about flower game and none of them are talking about the flower game.

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Agreed I have shown that addiction exists and now you’re asking me to actually prove that playing poker or a casino game in RS could lead to this? Do you think kids just wake up one day and gamble, or perhaps it’s something they get conditioned in. After all it’s the exposure to gambling in the first place that sets the ball rolling. If a kid learns poker in RS and likes it there’s a distinct possibility they could turn their attention elsewhere and go to a commercial site, you know, that exists in real life? Where’s the proof? Well, those kids in the gambling article I stated don’t just wake up and become gamblers, they ‘learn’ the behaviour first , then it’s all down to their genetic make-up. Research points towards dopamine levels being raised for that buzz. However when the dopamine fix isn’t hitting the spot any more those susceptible to needing a better fix tend to move on to other means where the dopamine level is higher. It usually involves more risky betting and the spiral starts. So exposing them to games you can play RL makes it easily possible for any kid who wants that buzz to go elsewhere. You’ve conditioned them to play a RL commercial game that is supposedly age restricted but with the anonymity of the web it makes it more accessible.

Your chocolate theory, while amusing, has no real link here as it’s legal and RS is no way responsible for any kid developing a fat arse because of it.

Gambling, drinking, violence in RS aren’t an issue because it’s all stylised (which you keep ignoring). It’s cartoon and is in no way designed to resemble anything in real life e.g. you aren’t actually drinking, hitting something or gambling the same way you do in RL. That’s why the flower game poses no issues. However, poker can’t be. Make it as cute and fluffy as you want, it’s still poker.

Writing for Tipit or the Wiki book of lies.....Very nice but what does that prove? No idea why you posted that unless you were trying to demonstrate how intelligent and all grown up you are. Don’t confuse intelligence with wisdom or common sense. There’s enough intelligent people in this world who can write parrot fashion into articles and books who lack the common sense, skills or knowledge of real life. It’s about knowing people , not what is in a game site or put in an article that any old munchkin can edit. That’s why I understand why it’s not good to allow kids to gamble using RL techniques. It’s inappropriate, I know what kids are like, and only a fool would argue that they should be included.

The Alexa page you gave me gives me audience demographics for RS, whereas you were arguing that the whole audience of MMORPG’s fell into that bracket in your debate. Did you give me the wrong page?

Argumentum ad hominem and strawman comments should be reserved for those who care about them. If you don’t like the way I debate then don’t debate with me. Simple.

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I will end this argument by saying: Children get more easily addicted to gambling, that's a fact.

However!

There has not been made, to my findings or recollection, any sort of or planning of research to correlate "fake" gambling in online games/other media and real gambling.


OT: I think that anyone trying the game should leave it at 1 try/day max, like the lottory. :P

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i can be a staking addict but never be addicted to real gambling

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I will end this argument by saying: Children get more easily addicted to gambling, that's a fact.

However!

There has not been made, to my findings or recollection, any sort of or planning of research to correlate "fake" gambling in online games/other media and real gambling.


OT: I think that anyone trying the game should leave it at 1 try/day max, like the lottory. :P

Lmao. Did you read the article? Your findings have dug up an article on Kids fake slot machines and toy poker games being removed from sale. You were saying about 'Fake' gambling? Same principle.

Here is the official article.

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So if you girls are finished now, can we get back to talking about the flower game ? :mrgreen:

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Lmao. Did you read the article? Your findings have dug up an article on Kids fake slot machines and toy poker games being removed from sale. You were saying about 'Fake' gambling? Same principle.

Here is the official article.

The only thing in the article that has some factual support for your argument would be "Psychologists warned the playing of such games at a young age ran the risk of children developing addictive behaviour." The children in question were around age 4. Find some better evidence that these "soft gambling games" can encourage addictive behavior for kids ~12-17, if you want to prove your point of easing into TEEN addiction rather than CHILD addiction.

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So if you girls are finished now, can we get back to talking about the flower game ? :mrgreen:



thats what i was thinking, although the flower game is a from of gambling.

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The only thing in the article that has some factual support for your argument would be "Psychologists warned the playing of such games at a young age ran the risk of children developing addictive behaviour." The children in question were around age 4. Find some better evidence that these "soft gambling games" can encourage addictive behavior for kids ~12-17, if you want to prove your point of easing into TEEN addiction rather than CHILD addiction.

I’m not sure where you’re going with asking for ‘better evidence’ but that wasn’t my evidence, it was ironic that it’s a link on that website. What exactly is the difference between those games that young kids play and teens playing on-line poker? Very little.

How do you think teens, or indeed anyone becomes a problem gambler? The same way as any other addiction starts, usually through softer methods, with these activities often viewed as harmless and even social pastimes e.g. Drugs or alcohol.

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I have been hosting the Flower Game the past few days, and I have lost over 1 mil since I started hosting. (I actually payout if they win)

Today I was hosting flower game x5.

This guy bet 100k, lost. Then he bet 50k, and lost again. Once more, he bet 75k, and lost yet again.

I gave him 15k as a consolation prize because I set a limit of 3X playing. He begged me to play 1 more time, I said ok, but it would be x4 if he won.

He said ok, and put down 125k. He guessed dark mix, and guess what it was? 600k lost. :(
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I have been hosting the Flower Game the past few days, and I have lost over 1 mil since I started hosting. (I actually payout if they win)

Today I was hosting flower game x5.

This guy bet 100k, lost. Then he bet 50k, and lost again. Once more, he bet 75k, and lost yet again.

I gave him 15k as a consolation prize because I set a limit of 3X playing. He begged me to play 1 more time, I said ok, but it would be x4 if he won.

He said ok, and put down 125k. He guessed dark mix, and guess what it was? 600k lost. :(

5x should profit over time, but you have to keep hosting. Anyway 3-4x is a far better game for hosting.
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I have been hosting the Flower Game the past few days, and I have lost over 1 mil since I started hosting. (I actually payout if they win)

Today I was hosting flower game x5.

This guy bet 100k, lost. Then he bet 50k, and lost again. Once more, he bet 75k, and lost yet again.

I gave him 15k as a consolation prize because I set a limit of 3X playing. He begged me to play 1 more time, I said ok, but it would be x4 if he won.

He said ok, and put down 125k. He guessed dark mix, and guess what it was? 600k lost. :(

5x should profit over time, but you have to keep hosting. Anyway 3-4x is a far better game for hosting.


The hard thing is trying to get people to play your game. There are so many fake flower games out there. EX: Flower game. 100k for whip! 2 tries! or Flower game. 200k for Clawz!!! 3 tries!

Those are 99% going to be scams, yet people everyday will fall for it.

Also, I have figured out, the only way to make a good amount of money is to have everyone bet the same amount of money each time. For example, if you win 3 straight times to someone betting 20k, you will still lose out if you lose to someone betting 100k once.

I have started doing flower game x4, and I still get a few players. However, it has been a bit less then when I had x5.

P.S.-I love the people that include the words "legit" or "trusted" when they are advertising their game. That is the worst false advertisement ever. Like saying "I'm legit!!!! Give me yo monez" will persaude people to think you are legit. Smh.
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How much money you guys made off this?

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yes it would be interesting to see if this is a good money maker even if you pay out winnings to other people

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How much money you guys made off this?

I have lost 300k since I first started hosting the flower game. But I have figured out why.

I normally host either x5 or x4 flower games, and I always pay out if they win. To make a profit from this game legitly, you will have to have everyone bet the same amount of money each time. A few days ago I had someone betting in 20k increments and lost 3 times. I gained 60k from it. Then, later, this guy comes in and, after losing approximately 225k betting, bets 150k and wins 600k off of me.

As you can see, that one loss of mine cost me more then my other 6 wins, combined. So, in order to make a legit profit, you either have to get really lucky, or have everyone bet the same amount of money. I don't like doing this because some people may not want to risk, say, 20k per game.

Also, there are a lot of scammers out there. Anyone who is advertising a flower game to win a rare is a SCAMMER. There is no way in hell that someone would actually give away a Santa Hat for 1 mil. Unfortunately, there a quite a few people out there that fall for this scam, and end up losing their money.
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How much money you guys made off this?

I have lost 300k since I first started hosting the flower game. But I have figured out why.

I normally host either x5 or x4 flower games, and I always pay out if they win. To make a profit from this game legitly, you will have to have everyone bet the same amount of money each time.

simply: you are wrong

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How much money you guys made off this?

I have lost 300k since I first started hosting the flower game. But I have figured out why.

I normally host either x5 or x4 flower games, and I always pay out if they win. To make a profit from this game legitly, you will have to have everyone bet the same amount of money each time.

simply: you are wrong

He's correct.. as y approaches infinity, f(x) = x...

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care to define any of your variables or functions there?

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care to define any of your variables or functions there?

f(x) = function on x (luck)

y = bets

x = profit

Thus, in a truly fair game, x = y meaning winnings and losses are equal.

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care to define any of your variables or functions there?

f(x) = function on x (luck)

y = bets

x = profit

Thus, in a truly fair game, x = y meaning winnings and losses are equal.



not only is flower game not a fair game, but this has nothing to do with what he said. on top of THAT your "mathematics" make no sense. you are saying that in a fair game (i.e. profit = 0) that profit = bets? so profit = bets = 0?

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