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My simple vision of runescape cards (which could be used for a multitude of games)

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Escrow is basicly how staking works now. You both put up your bids and one of you will get the winnings. It's not possible to scam someone out of their reward if they win.

 

Sorry my bad, now I've got you and yes agreed. Not sure about using real playing cards but I like the idea. What about some sort of character cards eg Bork, Wise Old Man etc. Almost like a top trumps scenario but with whatever stats or data you want.

 

@Bladewing - Again I point to stylisation just the same as players can't catch a shark with their bare hands. You cannot teach kids RL gambling techniques.

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@jrhairychest stop being over-pedantic you're adopting the typical ignorant lawyer maxim of 'video-games have a direct impact on behaviour of adolescents in life.' well firstly it appears to be a view which opts-out of criticism since any of us that challenge you are simply naive or reckless, subsequently polluting the youth with our wretched video-games. Yet fundamentally do you not play Runescape? Which involves the killing of other players, is that immoral? So does that make you ignorant also?

 

Then considering the prospective casino surely if they learn from the game, when they are cleaned out, by scammers and bad luck.. Do they not learn the valuable lesson not to gamble all of ones money away?.. Oh wait they already learned boxing at the Duel Arena..

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@jrhairychest stop being over-pedantic you're adopting the typical ignorant lawyer maxim of 'video-games have a direct impact on behaviour of adolescents in life.' well firstly it appears to be a view which opts-out of criticism since any of us that challenge you are simply naive or reckless, subsequently polluting the youth with our wretched video-games. Yet fundamentally do you not play Runescape? Which involves the killing of other players, is that immoral? So does that make you ignorant also?

 

Then considering the prospective casino surely if they learn from the game, when they are cleaned out, by scammers and bad luck.. Do they not learn the valuable lesson not to gamble all of ones money away?.. Oh wait they already learned boxing at the Duel Arena..

 

A typical example of someone who thinks laws are there when it suits them, just the same as people downloading music and films off torrents for free because they think they are entitled to. I can appreciate a little anti-establishment rant now and again but I also understand, yet again, the difference between stylisation and reality. Look it up and realise you can't mix the two.

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A typical example of someone who thinks laws are there when it suits them, just the same as people downloading music and films off torrents for free because they think they are entitled to. I can appreciate a little anti-establishment rant now and again but I also understand, yet again, the difference between stylisation and reality. Look it up and realise you can't mix the two.

 

No offence meant to you but essentially you misunderstood the point entirely and moreover dodged my questions towards you, nevertheless I'll leave you to reside in your opinion, it's ridiculous to believe that gambling in Runescape will create a wave of poker addicts IRL, give me one case study which gives any kind of verification to that idea? Finally I was not ranting at the establishment, rather pointing out that your case against video-games in general is a tired and unoriginal scope. :rolleyes:

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You can play poker on Facebook.

Facebook has about 600 million users.

I havent heard yet of people getting addicted to poker purely because of Facebook.

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we need to get rid of the thieving skill because it teaches kids that thieving is good

 

kids cannot tell the difference between a video game and real life and will, with 100% certainty, emulate whatever they do in video games in real life. this is caused by one sole factor: the existence of features in the game that are not acceptable in real life.

How about all the alcohol you find in the game, the game even tells kids that they become stronger when drinking a pint of beer. THINK OF THE CHILDREN! :ohnoes:
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A typical example of someone who thinks laws are there when it suits them, just the same as people downloading music and films off torrents for free because they think they are entitled to. I can appreciate a little anti-establishment rant now and again but I also understand, yet again, the difference between stylisation and reality. Look it up and realise you can't mix the two.

 

No offence meant to you but essentially you misunderstood the point entirely and moreover dodged my questions towards you, nevertheless I'll leave you to reside in your opinion, it's ridiculous to believe that gambling in Runescape will create a wave of poker addicts IRL, give me one case study which gives any kind of verification to that idea? Finally I was not ranting at the establishment, rather pointing out that your case against video-games in general is a tired and unoriginal scope. :rolleyes:

 

No offence taken. Your argument reads that because I disagree with you I'm being the nasty Mr Jrhairychest because I won't give you what you want. I don't need to give you case studies, its called age restriction and regulation. Laws and regulations aren't free range that only apply when you feel like it. Stylised violence and staking is one thing but you're talking about simulating a rl gambling structure here. There's a difference. It's naive and reckless to assume otherwise so learn the difference between the two as you can't always have what you want. I don't make laws and regulations but I know that as an organisation if you break them you pay the price! Do you work for an organisation? If you do you'll know that certain things that don't affect you as an individuals change for the organisation big time.

 

Who said I'm anti-video games when I actually play video games? :roll:

 

If Jagex turned around and said 'yes we are implementing a casino based on RL' then I'd say fine. The reason? I know they'd have consulted the laws and regulations before doing and obtained legal advice, rather than just doing it on a whim.

 

@Mercifull - Terms and conditions apply. It states 'If you are between the ages of 13 and 17, you represent that your legal guardian has reviewed and agreed to these Terms'. Who said anything about being addicted?

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Well obviously with 'trust trades' such as this one, there will be scammers. But most of the ones (like 80%) that I have taken part in are not scams. However, nearly every one (like 80%) on W2 is a scam. I actually won Armadyl Chainskirt playing flower game.

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@Jrhairychest I'm just going to opt out of this argument now, since we're not going to achieve, you choose not to accept the idea that video-games do not have any over-bearing correlation with real life. And by that I mean any effect on the audience which is greater than all other forms of media. And for me, I can't understand where the core of your objection lays, if there is one at all, so I agree to disagree that casinos would end the world of rs. :)

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@Jrhairychest I'm just going to opt out of this argument now, since we're not going to achieve, you choose not to accept the idea that video-games do not have any over-bearing correlation with real life. And by that I mean any effect on the audience which is greater than all other forms of media. And for me, I can't understand where the core of your objection lays, if there is one at all, so I agree to disagree that casinos would end the world of rs. :)

 

If what you said was true then games and forms of gambling (on-line or rl) would not be subject to age restrictions. Organisations have restrictions on what they can and can't do. That's life and the laws state it. That's the core of my objection so if you don't understand it then its the rules and regulations you have a problem with, not me. I don't expect you to agree with what I say at all otherwise debate wouldn't be as fun as it is.

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@Jrhairychest I'm just going to opt out of this argument now, since we're not going to achieve, you choose not to accept the idea that video-games do not have any over-bearing correlation with real life. And by that I mean any effect on the audience which is greater than all other forms of media. And for me, I can't understand where the core of your objection lays, if there is one at all, so I agree to disagree that casinos would end the world of rs. :)

 

If what you said was true then games and forms of gambling (on-line or rl) would not be subject to age restrictions. Organisations have restrictions on what they can and can't do. That's life and the laws state it. That's the core of my objection so if you don't understand it then its the rules and regulations you have a problem with, not me. I don't expect you to agree with what I say at all otherwise debate wouldn't be as fun as it is.

It's not illegal to play poker with in-game currency. Hell, the MMO Puzzle Pirates has very popular Poker tables, which anybody can use, that you use in game currency for. It's not real money, just like how the Flower Game isn't illegal, it's placing bets. It's not illegal, because you're making it sound like it is.

 

Of course they wouldn't put Poker in Runescape but I'm saying it would be a fun idea, Poker isn't some evil thing. It's a fun game, that's all.

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@Jrhairychest I'm just going to opt out of this argument now, since we're not going to achieve, you choose not to accept the idea that video-games do not have any over-bearing correlation with real life. And by that I mean any effect on the audience which is greater than all other forms of media. And for me, I can't understand where the core of your objection lays, if there is one at all, so I agree to disagree that casinos would end the world of rs. :)

 

If what you said was true then games and forms of gambling (on-line or rl) would not be subject to age restrictions. Organisations have restrictions on what they can and can't do. That's life and the laws state it. That's the core of my objection so if you don't understand it then its the rules and regulations you have a problem with, not me. I don't expect you to agree with what I say at all otherwise debate wouldn't be as fun as it is.

It's not illegal to play poker with in-game currency. Hell, the MMO Puzzle Pirates has very popular Poker tables, which anybody can use, that you use in game currency for. It's not real money, just like how the Flower Game isn't illegal, it's placing bets. It's not illegal, because you're making it sound like it is.

 

Of course they wouldn't put Poker in Runescape but I'm saying it would be a fun idea, Poker isn't some evil thing. It's a fun game, that's all.

 

I'm almost sorry I said anything ... :unsure:

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My simple vision of runescape cards (which could be used for a multitude of games)

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Escrow is basicly how staking works now. You both put up your bids and one of you will get the winnings. It's not possible to scam someone out of their reward if they win.

For some reason, this reminded me of Diamondback from Cerebus the Aardvark ...

 

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If Jagex clearly state that whatever you 'own' on your profile isn't really yours anyway, it's theirs, how can you be gambling? At the very least, how can you be gambling with your own money? It's not your money, it's Jagex's. In fact, forget that - it's not even money, if we're being honest. I'm not usually one for the "Video games are completely different to real life" brigade, but in this case, it's concrete.

 

The issue with online Poker games that use real-life cash for stakes is that gambling itself is incredibly addictive, and just as we put age restrictions on cigarettes and alcohol for their potential misuse and their detrimental effects on people's health, so we do for gambling. There are many people who get into serious money trouble through gambling, and this has a consequence on their loved ones.

 

If someone loses a game of 'Pick a colour' on RuneScape, it really doesn't compare. The only thing that Jagex should be concerned about is the effects of scamming on the RuneScape community and the concept of 'fair play' in RuneScape.

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@ Racheya - Jagex is UK based. The bona fide on-line sites I've looked at that are UK based that seem to stipulate the same thing- For the fun sites you have to have parental consent to play if under 18. Your site is US based.

Secondly our child protection laws and the way we do things are different in the UK and we are regulated more heavily by the gambling commission. What is acceptable in one country isn’t acceptable elsewhere.

 

You are treating this quite flippantly as if it’s no bad thing. Use your moral perspective and answer me these.

a) Is it acceptable for children to learn the rules of real life poker in a game that’s nothing to do with it?

b) Is it acceptable for them to use what they have learned on RS to bet elsewhere?

c) Would you be happy if your 14 year old kid, who you thought was slaying dragons, making gold and generally making an on-line nuisance of himself was learning to bet for a RL game?

d) Can you imagine the negative publicity if even a few kids used what they’d learned in RS in RL and it became public knowledge? Throw in a few irate parents too.

 

@Ringworld – Sorry but you’ve lost the plot completely. Let’s explain this so you understand it……

Cat fights in RS – Stylised so they’re cartoon versions so not real. The same as the fantasy violence, betting on flower games (try that in RL and wait a couple of months!) etc. etc. etc. Cartoon versions, not real simulation. You get this?

 

Poker in RS – Learning rules and techniques of poker. No matter how you stylise its look and feel you’re still learning a game you could use for gambling purposes in real life. You learn ACTUAL TECHNIQUE.

 

Do you get this yet or would you like me to draw you some diagrams?

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@ Racheya - Jagex is UK based. The bona fide on-line sites I've looked at that are UK based that seem to stipulate the same thing- For the fun sites you have to have parental consent to play if under 18. Your site is US based.

Secondly our child protection laws and the way we do things are different in the UK and we are regulated more heavily by the gambling commission. What is acceptable in one country isnt acceptable elsewhere.

 

You are treating this quite flippantly as if its no bad thing. Use your moral perspective and answer me these.

a) Is it acceptable for children to learn the rules of real life poker in a game thats nothing to do with it?

b) Is it acceptable for them to use what they have learned on RS to bet elsewhere?

c) Would you be happy if your 14 year old kid, who you thought was slaying dragons, making gold and generally making an on-line nuisance of himself was learning to bet for a RL game?

d) Can you imagine the negative publicity if even a few kids used what theyd learned in RS in RL and it became public knowledge? Throw in a few irate parents too.

 

@Ringworld Sorry but youve lost the plot completely. Lets explain this so you understand it

Cat fights in RS Stylised so theyre cartoon versions so not real. The same as the fantasy violence, betting on flower games (try that in RL and wait a couple of months!) etc. etc. etc. Cartoon versions, not real simulation. You get this?

 

Poker in RS Learning rules and techniques of poker. No matter how you stylise its look and feel youre still learning a game you could use for gambling purposes in real life. You learn ACTUAL TECHNIQUE.

 

Do you get this yet or would you like me to draw you some diagrams?

 

Umm...what's wrong with learning the rules and techniques of poker?

a) yes

b) yes in a way - one of the most fun things I did back in school was play poker for smarties. We all grabbed like 8 things of smarties and bet them on the game.

c) I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't be unhappy. I don't know that it would evoke an emotional response from me. Unless he was really good...then I sure as heck would be happy haha.

d) How would they use it IRL? You can't go to a casino at age 14...

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You're talking to her like she's not British herself, lol

 

Where exactly do you think Bolton is? :rolleyes:

 

Yes I'm aware of that. She's been using an American site and I'm talking to her in the 'we' context....You know as in plural.......'We'.

 

@ Racheya - Jagex is UK based. The bona fide on-line sites I've looked at that are UK based that seem to stipulate the same thing- For the fun sites you have to have parental consent to play if under 18. Your site is US based.

Secondly our child protection laws and the way we do things are different in the UK and we are regulated more heavily by the gambling commission. What is acceptable in one country isnt acceptable elsewhere.

 

You are treating this quite flippantly as if its no bad thing. Use your moral perspective and answer me these.

a) Is it acceptable for children to learn the rules of real life poker in a game thats nothing to do with it?

b) Is it acceptable for them to use what they have learned on RS to bet elsewhere?

c) Would you be happy if your 14 year old kid, who you thought was slaying dragons, making gold and generally making an on-line nuisance of himself was learning to bet for a RL game?

d) Can you imagine the negative publicity if even a few kids used what theyd learned in RS in RL and it became public knowledge? Throw in a few irate parents too.

 

@Ringworld Sorry but youve lost the plot completely. Lets explain this so you understand it

Cat fights in RS Stylised so theyre cartoon versions so not real. The same as the fantasy violence, betting on flower games (try that in RL and wait a couple of months!) etc. etc. etc. Cartoon versions, not real simulation. You get this?

 

Poker in RS Learning rules and techniques of poker. No matter how you stylise its look and feel youre still learning a game you could use for gambling purposes in real life. You learn ACTUAL TECHNIQUE.

 

Do you get this yet or would you like me to draw you some diagrams?

 

Umm...what's wrong with learning the rules and techniques of poker?

a) yes

b) yes in a way - one of the most fun things I did back in school was play poker for smarties. We all grabbed like 8 things of smarties and bet them on the game.

c) I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't be unhappy. I don't know that it would evoke an emotional response from me. Unless he was really good...then I sure as heck would be happy haha.

d) How would they use it IRL? You can't go to a casino at age 14...

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The banging is a great response...super constructive.

 

At the risk of going off topic, the banging indicated you take a very conservative stance on life. In the US, I would use the term "far right." Does that translate to the UK?

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Seriously, just because lot's of people play poker as a gambling medium doesn't mean the only way you can play poker is to gamble.

 

Poker is first and foremost a card game. While we're at it, might as well ban all the games in the games room (not like anybody uses those anyway). It might teach something to play chess, and you know what that means! WE ARE TEACHING OUR KIDS TO PLAY DRINKING GAMES INVOLVING CHESS!

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@ Racheya - Jagex is UK based. The bona fide on-line sites I've looked at that are UK based that seem to stipulate the same thing- For the fun sites you have to have parental consent to play if under 18. Your site is US based.

Secondly our child protection laws and the way we do things are different in the UK and we are regulated more heavily by the gambling commission. What is acceptable in one country isnt acceptable elsewhere.

 

You are treating this quite flippantly as if its no bad thing. Use your moral perspective and answer me these.

a) Is it acceptable for children to learn the rules of real life poker in a game thats nothing to do with it?

b) Is it acceptable for them to use what they have learned on RS to bet elsewhere?

c) Would you be happy if your 14 year old kid, who you thought was slaying dragons, making gold and generally making an on-line nuisance of himself was learning to bet for a RL game?

d) Can you imagine the negative publicity if even a few kids used what theyd learned in RS in RL and it became public knowledge? Throw in a few irate parents too.

 

@Ringworld Sorry but youve lost the plot completely. Lets explain this so you understand it

Cat fights in RS Stylised so theyre cartoon versions so not real. The same as the fantasy violence, betting on flower games (try that in RL and wait a couple of months!) etc. etc. etc. Cartoon versions, not real simulation. You get this?

 

Poker in RS Learning rules and techniques of poker. No matter how you stylise its look and feel youre still learning a game you could use for gambling purposes in real life. You learn ACTUAL TECHNIQUE.

 

Do you get this yet or would you like me to draw you some diagrams?

This is on the assumption that any child that learns how to play a game like poker online will use what they have learned IRL irresponsibly.

 

Following Jagex rules, people who play Runescape must be 13+ or have a parent's consent. (Yes, I know tens of thousands of people under 13 lie about their age to get by the system)

If they don't have the maturity or capability to handle learning how to play poker, they shouldn't even be playing Runescape.

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I know plenty of people who have taken drugs, although I've never done it myself. I've seen them do it in front of me. I've learnt the ACTUAL TECHNIQUE, but am I taking them? No, and having studied the effects of recreational drugs on the body and mind, I personally never want to.

 

It's a ridiculous assumption to suggest that knowledge = addiction. In fact if anything, keeping gambling 'on the top shelf where kids can't see it' will only make it more covert, therefore making it harder to intervene against any subsequent addition in later life.

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Even if it was legit, I wouldn't do it. There's just too high a risk of losing money rather than gaining. Not to mention the fact that most people WOULD scam you. I haven't staked either, so that says something. :razz:

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