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Ok, you know how if you have a certain amount of weed, you can get charged for "intent to sell", whether or not you were going to sell it. I think Jagex should implement "intent to scam," for all of those hosting flower games, trust game, 2x ur money, dice game, etc. Whether or not that person was going to scam they still can get reported, that would discourage a lot of obvious scammers.

Well it's not hard to see which ones are scams. "200k try for a santa" or "60-100 x5" would be the obvious scammers. Theres a lot of legits but there's more scammers than legits. Plus I read somewhere from a jagex mod that you can report if they scam you in a dice/flower game.

 

Anyway I made about 1 bill today

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So if you're starting bet is 1m, and you double til you win( 8 times max) you're going to risk 255m just to win 1m? Asks casino managers, the only way to win when gambling is to own the casino...

 

There are differences between this dice game and a casino's dice game is the casino doesnt take part in placing the odds.

In this game the host always have a 40% chance to lose, which is pretty high chance, he can only win if and only if the bet is constant as someone above have already proven.

A casino's dice game, the casino doesnt put any stake on the table, instead it moves the loser's stakes to the winner and keep a percentage of the spoils. There also exist a 1/36 chance he can bail out all the spoils. Essentially the casino transfer the risk to their customers, just like what a banker would do with their products.

Anyways even at constant rates, this game seems to be more promising than the flower game due to the confidence (not chance) of winning.

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Thought I'd give this a try tonight.

 

Here's my log. W = My win. L = My lose.

 

1400k W : Start with 10M
100k W
100k W
100k W
250k W
250k L
250k W
250k W
250k W
250k W
250k W
250k L
250k W
100k W
250k L Scam?
200k W
100k L
100k L
100k W
100k L
200k W
300k W
500k W
1m L
300k W
2m L
500k L
200k W
500k W
2m W
3m W
5m L ffs
1.1m W
5m W rock on
100k W
5m W rock on again
200k W
400k L
500k W
2m L
100k W
100k W
100k W
3m W
5640k W
300k W
700k W
800k W
800k W
Rune Scim W.... hah
End with 33M

 

 

EDIT: Those are all my bets 100k or over.

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Yes; as long as you don't do it multiple times you should come out ahead

 

Ah, I see what you mean now. I suppose that's a loophole to the game. If you continue to double every time, you would make profit the first time you rolled your 40% chance victory. Odds say that you should at least win 4 in 10, so unless you are unlucky you would win by at least your 3rd or 4th try. (See in notes below).

 

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Starting at 1M the first bet and doubling each time.

 

#1 = 1M bet (LOSE = 1M lost ) (WIN = 2M Total Profit)

#2 = 2M bet (LOSE = 3M lost ) (WIN = 3M Total Profit)

#3 = 4M bet (LOSE = 7M lost ) (WIN = 5M Total Profit)

#4 = 8M bet (LOSE = 15M lost ) (WIN = 9M Total Profit)

#5 = 16M bet (LOSE = 31M lost ) (WIN = 17M Total Profit)

#6 = 32M bet (LOSE = 63M lost ) (WIN = 33M Total Profit)

#7 = 64M bet (LOSE = 127M lost ) (WIN = 65M Total Profit)

#8 = 128M bet (LOSE = 255M lost ) (WIN = 129M Total Profit)

#9 = 256M bet (LOSE = 511M lost ) (WIN = 257M Total Profit)

#10 = 512M bet (LOSE = 1023M lost = Ragequit ) (WIN = 513M Total Profit)

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So your right that you can make a "guaranteed" profit on the game (Assuming you don't pull 0/10 odds). You wouldn't even have to stick with the same host as long as you can make sure you bid x2 the amount you bid last. As soon as you hit your victory, you simply restart back at the beginning and repeat the cycle. How much profit you made would depend on what point you rolled your winning score.

 

The only problem is you have to have enough cash that you continue playing until you do win. I would imagine a lot of dice hosts require a high minimum bid or don't allow you to continue rolling to prevent against this method. It works as long as you don't pull a long losing streak.

 

 

your calulations of profit are wrong

you only profit 1m profit on any of the wins

thats the whole theory behind martingale betting system to win a small amount each time or get completely wiped

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Its just best to stay away from gambling, Trying to tell yourself that there is a slim chance that you can lose will just get you addicted to it.

 

In roulette, Its fun to imagine that since its a 1 in 36 chance to win 35x your bet that if you bet the same amount 36 times (and stop when you win) that you have a 94.4% chance of making money.

 

Yet the math is obvious: a 1 in 36 chance to win 35x your money will always result in the casino winning

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Yes; as long as you don't do it multiple times you should come out ahead

 

Ah, I see what you mean now. I suppose that's a loophole to the game. If you continue to double every time, you would make profit the first time you rolled your 40% chance victory. Odds say that you should at least win 4 in 10, so unless you are unlucky you would win by at least your 3rd or 4th try. (See in notes below).

 

[hide=Math Stuffs]

Starting at 1M the first bet and doubling each time.

 

#1 = 1M bet (LOSE = 1M lost ) (WIN = 2M Total Profit)

#2 = 2M bet (LOSE = 3M lost ) (WIN = 3M Total Profit)

#3 = 4M bet (LOSE = 7M lost ) (WIN = 5M Total Profit)

#4 = 8M bet (LOSE = 15M lost ) (WIN = 9M Total Profit)

#5 = 16M bet (LOSE = 31M lost ) (WIN = 17M Total Profit)

#6 = 32M bet (LOSE = 63M lost ) (WIN = 33M Total Profit)

#7 = 64M bet (LOSE = 127M lost ) (WIN = 65M Total Profit)

#8 = 128M bet (LOSE = 255M lost ) (WIN = 129M Total Profit)

#9 = 256M bet (LOSE = 511M lost ) (WIN = 257M Total Profit)

#10 = 512M bet (LOSE = 1023M lost = Ragequit ) (WIN = 513M Total Profit)

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So your right that you can make a "guaranteed" profit on the game (Assuming you don't pull 0/10 odds). You wouldn't even have to stick with the same host as long as you can make sure you bid x2 the amount you bid last. As soon as you hit your victory, you simply restart back at the beginning and repeat the cycle. How much profit you made would depend on what point you rolled your winning score.

 

The only problem is you have to have enough cash that you continue playing until you do win. I would imagine a lot of dice hosts require a high minimum bid or don't allow you to continue rolling to prevent against this method. It works as long as you don't pull a long losing streak.

 

 

your calulations of profit are wrong

you only profit 1m profit on any of the wins

thats the whole theory behind martingale betting system to win a small amount each time or get completely wiped

 

The richer player (or in RL, the casino) always has the advantage using that strategy. If you're gonna increase your stakes each time to profit, you'd wanna increase your stakes much more than to just win 1M

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It was nice talking to you in game mate. Your luck is pretty insane doing this (by luck I mean the luck of getting the client base you have). How you get so many whales (big betters) is astounding, especially with the number of people doing it now. When you traded me and showed me this i was shocked.

 

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Keep up the winning and good luck buying that Green!

 

peace,

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Updated log:

 

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1400k W : Start with 10M
100k W
100k W
100k W
250k W
250k L
250k W
250k W
250k W
250k W
250k W
250k L
250k W
100k W
250k L Scam?
200k W
100k L
100k L
100k W
100k L
200k W
300k W
500k W
1m L
300k W
2m L
500k L
200k W
500k W
2m W
3m W
5m L ffs
1.1m W
5m W rock on
100k W
5m W rock on again
200k W
400k L
500k W
2m L
100k W
100k W
100k W
3m W
5640k W
300k W
700k W
800k W
800k W
Rune Scim W.... hah
100k L
100k W
100k W
100k L
100k W
100k W
400k L
200k L
250k L
400k L
100k L
150k W
200k W
500k W
500k W
1m W
1.4m W
2m L
900k L
1m L
150k L
200k W
300k L
200k L
400k W
1m L
4m L
1.m L
1.5m W
3m W
1m W
2m W
4m L
2m L
2m W
1m W
5m W
10m L
5m W
10m L
5 W
10m W
15m L
5m W
10m W
15m W
15m W
2.5m W
2.5m W
End: 72M

 

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your calulations of profit are wrong

you only profit 1m profit on any of the wins

thats the whole theory behind martingale betting system to win a small amount each time or get completely wiped

 

Oh, I see. I wasn't including the actual money you spent for that round into the costs for winning. Irregardless, the point still stands that using the method you have the odds in your favor for a profitable payout in the long run. The only situation where it would fail is if you rolled 0/10, as anything 1/10 or greater would yield you profit.

 

Averages say you will win 4/10 times, so odds in your favor that within the first 7 rolls you going to get at least one win. If you only cared about not losing money, you could easily use this method 10 times to make 10M, and then bite the bullet and put a 40% chance on turning your 10M into 20M. In the end you would not lose (assuming you don't roll any 0/10) any money and have the (less than average) chance to make a lot more.

 

It's still holds a risk, but if the money is only sitting in your bank and you don't care if you lose it, why not?

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How do you get people to trust you doing this? I went to try, being legit yet no one believed me

 

High leveled P2P armor tends to help. Wearable rares if you have any. High combat level as well.

 

However, the OP has already earned a reputation in W2 for paying out, and his CC has 20+ people. If you have a lot of people in your CC that aren't your friends, and people who you don't know advertising you, people tend to believe you more.

 

 

 

On another note, I actually tried this myself. I ended going up about ~10m (100m starting cash). It works well if you don't lose the big ones obviously, but I lost a lot of the highest bets. This actually has potential for some of the best consistent cash in RS. It also has potential for some of the biggest losses if you get only 1 high bet and lose it. Might want to watch out for scammers - several people put up the money and decline it on the second screen, and expect you to roll and payout if they win.

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Not sure if it was mentionned, but starting at 500k and doing martingalesall the way can pull in incredible profit per hour while not necessitating a VERY big starting capital. At least, If you started with 500k, you'd get 8 shots with a capital of 127M.

 

Odds of not winning for 8 shots straight: <2%. With 511M, you get this under 1%.

 

It doesn't increase your [no idea what that is in english] return after an infinite number of tries, but it can be good for you.

 

 

 

By the way, is there really nothing to enforce the house's paying in return?

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Not sure if it was mentionned, but starting at 500k and doing martingalesall the way can pull in incredible profit per hour while not necessitating a VERY big starting capital. At least, If you started with 500k, you'd get 8 shots with a capital of 127M.

 

Odds of not winning for 8 shots straight: <2%. With 511M, you get this under 1%.

 

It doesn't increase your [no idea what that is in english] return after an infinite number of tries, but it can be good for you.

 

 

 

By the way, is there really nothing to enforce the house's paying in return?

 

Don't do Martingale's. Just don't. <_< I know a lot of people think it wins often, but it's 127m gamble for a 500k profit. Someone tried to pull a Martingale's on me starting from 250k, and I cleaned him about 10m's worth.

 

Think of it this way - there's a high chance you'll make the original stake in profit, but there's a small (but realistic) chance that you'll lose MAJOR big bucks.

 

If you want to do the dice game, host it. Don't play it. I'm up 23m from hosting (gave about 4m+ in return for people I cleaned).

 

And nope, there's no way to enforce it. However, there are some people you can trust - Awq is trustworthy (guaranteed up to 50m stakes, but I trust that he pays everything). You can find out by hanging in the area - there are some regulars there who everyone trusts.

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Myself and R4L hosted last night (he hosted and I advertised and was a general in his chat to kick spam rollers). Started at 100M and ended at 199.9M after 3.5 hours. Took us 3 hours to go from 143M-199.9M because of the lack of high betters. The first gambler was doing 25M bets (R4L was in a Santa, Divine, Ahrim's, and Fire Cape so he looked wealthy, thus trusted). The majority of the other 66.9M profit came from 2 other players using the Martingale betting system and eventually getting cleaned. Just to show you that the house eventually wins.

 

It is getting harder to find betters now though. Too many people hosting and not enough people playing. Also, any idea why this is only played in f2p? I tried hosting some p2p games where the flower games were, but people would rather play the flower game. I don't understand this because the flower game is like 1/9 odds and this is 4/10. We should try to get more p2p people to play so that we would have a wealthier client base.

 

peace,

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I am actually a host in a cc (dragon dice) that in run like this.

 

a host calls out that he is hosting in the cc

1 person trades the host his bet

the host calls out the bet as a "wager"

another person also trades the host the same amount

the host counts down (321 roll)

both parties roll in the cc with 2 6 sided dice

the winner gets the pot

and the host keeps 10% of the pot.

 

it is a fair 1/2 chance but if you play for a long time you eventually will just end up losing the 10% to the host.

 

an important factor is that 3 of the 7 or 8 hosts are pmods(including myself) and the other few guys are billionaires, only 2-3 people host at a time, but you can win big this way, and get steady money as a host. plus people like the idea of playing somebody else with 50-50 odds

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People who bet on these types of games are stupid. In the end, house always wins. Always. Especially when stupid people dump their winnings right back in.rolleyes.gif

if you play your luck right you can still make big profits. while hosting today i had two guys who were going back and forth. im not sure what they came with but lets just say it was 100m

 

they both started with 100m and did multiple 5-10m bets against eachother. in the end one walked away with 170m and the other with 10m. and i know for a fact that the guy with 170m put 100m in the bank and came back to play more, knowing that even if he never won again that 100m would be safe and he would break even.

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People who bet on these types of games are stupid. In the end, house always wins. Always. Especially when stupid people dump their winnings right back in.rolleyes.gif

if you play your luck right you can still make big profits. while hosting today i had two guys who were going back and forth. im not sure what they came with but lets just say it was 100m

 

they both started with 100m and did multiple 5-10m bets against eachother. in the end one walked away with 170m and the other with 10m. and i know for a fact that the guy with 170m put 100m in the bank and came back to play more, knowing that even if he never won again that 100m would be safe and he would break even.

That's less playing your luck right and more knowing when to walk away; in the long-term gambling is always a losing venture.

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I much prefer the idea of being the house.

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I much prefer the idea of being the house.

 

You have to be really rich in order to do that, but if you are that rich, why do you need that money anyways? Isnt excitement a bit more fun?

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Bet with a guy that was paying 2x for 57-86, 3x for 87-99, 4x for 100.

What a doofus.

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Haha wow. I decided to try this game after seeing this thread, and what do you know, I ended playing with you (I didn't see the videos beforehand so I didn't realize it was you, and you're the first person I saw in W1 today and looked pretty legit, so I went in. Kinda cool). Few words of advice:

 

Do not play this game if you don't have STRONG DISCIPLINE.

 

In the end, I lost all my cash to you :P (Only 34m, but still...). I hope you spend that money more wisely than I did. It's crazy because I went in fully thinking that I was going to bet 100k and double each time until I won, then back down to 100k again (guarantee profit as long as you don't lose it all before you win one). But I let my emotions get the best of me - and it ended up costing me... Although I have to say, I must be the unluckiest person in Runescape. I played 17 times and only won 3 (maybe 4 cant remember) of those. At least I got some experience and know the consequences. If I was to ever play again, I would definitely stick to my plan and play conservatively now that I know how quickly things can change.

 

So as of now, no more dice game :P I sold some stuff in my bank I wasn't using, so now I have 3m. I'm trying to flip some stuff with it while farming to make some of it back, though it's slow going (not much of a merchanter anyway)....Dang.

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Picture updates of awq!

 

Yesterdays Bank picture:

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Todays Bank Picture:

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Thats what you get for making a name for yourself and building a high roller client base!

 

Keep it up man!

 

peace,

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