Misfortune Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Tip.it Article, Macros Uncovered. Hello tip.it, I am Misfortune and I have spent many days researching and informing myself on RuneScape Marcroing Software. To start off this Article I would first off like to say that I, nor Tip.it use, or endorse the use of these macros. All Jagex rules apply and this was done for learning and experimental purposes only. During the researching I never used or downloaded any macroing programs. To gather this information, I visited different websites that I found through google and talked to users of these programs. I spent an ample amount of time viewing and talking on the websites and forums of these programs. When I first started browsing through certain forums my perspectives changed. Before I started this research I drew the conclusion that people using these programs must be plain stupid. This changed as I realized most people on these forums are very smart and intelligent humans. Macroing software is created using a Programming language called Java. If you do research on this language you will notice that it is very complex. After spending some time talking to people I decided that I needed to talk to the developers of these programs. To my surprise the developer of one of the biggest and most used macro is a 17 year old kid who started learning Java during computer science in the 10th grade. I asked him one specific question about his reasoning. This question was "Why create a program such as this to cheat on a game"? His reply surprised me and opened up a whole new topic for me to look into. He said and I quote "I do it for the money." At that our conversation was ended and I continued on my search to find information. From what this developer said, I decided to research more about what he meant and the black-market of RuneScape. I looked at some statistics for this bot and was surprised to see the truth behind his words. There are many different bots which are available for purchase starting at around 7-8 USD. Considering that there are 60,000 people who purchase AT LEAST one of these bots per year, this developer would be making close to 500,000 USD per year! That is 10 times what the average american citizen makes! This made me want to take my research one step further to examine the black market. Since the first few years of RuneScape's existence there has been groups of people who sell items or gold in game for money. These people use macro programs to collect massive amount of money and items in-game then sell it on the "black market". The Black Market is a group of people who run different websites and sell items, gold, and accounts for real money. These people are real-world trading which happens to be against the RuneScape rules. I was wondering what the point of selling items on this "Black Market" was. I QUICKLY found my answer. By using these macros, large sums of gold can be made very fast. People who do this are usually called Gold Farmers. There whole point is to sell RuneScape gold to players so they can get that party hat or bandos they wanted. Sadly, this is AGAINST THE RULES. That concludes my research on the black market so I continued with collecting information about these macro programs, this time from users themselves. I went around a found a normal user who has been using these programs for nearly a year. I asked several questions which I will share with you as well as the users response. I first asked " Why do you macro?" His reply was "I macro because RuneScape is time consuming and getting those 99's feels so good!" I was curious how something that you earn by cheating could feel good so I asked him, "Why not earn these 99's yourself so you can feel a sense of accomplishment?" His reply "I do earn them somewhat myself, I just use these programs while I am sleeping or at school when I do not have time for RuneScape." I was intrigued by how all of these people are so calm and proud of their accomplishments that they cheated to get. Thus I conclude my research by saying that these people use macros out of laziness and greediness. Thanks for reading,Misfortune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wkw Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 tl;dr version: Everything you already knew in a wall of text. Seriously, no new information is here... Runescape player since 2005 Ego Sum Deus Quo Malum Caligo et Barathum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspeeder Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 1. You should use this thread to submit your article to Tip.It Times 2.Thus I conclude my research by saying that these people use macros out of laziness and greediness. Hardly groundbreaking... http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww6/aspeeder/Siggy_zpsewaiux2t.png 99 Strength since 6/02/10 99 Attack since 9/19/10 99 Constitution since 10/03/10 99 Defense since 3/14/11 99 Slayer since 8/30/11 99 Summoning since 9/10/11 99 Ranged since 09/18/11 99 Magic since 11/12/11 99 Prayer since 11/15/11 99 Herblore since 3/29/12 99 Firemaking since 5/15/12 99 Smithing since 10/04/12 99 Crafting since 9/16/13 99 Agility since 9/23/13 99 Dungeoneering since 1/1/14 99 Fishing since 2/4/14 99 Mining since 2/28/14 99 Farming since 6/04/14 99 Cooking since 6/11/14 99 Runecrafting since 10/10/14 9 Fletching since 11/11/14 99 Thieving since 11/14/14 99 Woodcutting since 11/20/14 99 Construction since 12/03/14 99 Divination since 2/22/15 99 Hunter since 2/23/15 99 Invention since 01/20/17 99 Archaeology since 5/14/22Quest Point Cape since 08/20/09 Maxed since 2/23/15 Fire Cape since 02/27/13 Slayer: 3 Leaf-Bladed Swords, 8 Black Masks, 2 Hexcrests, 26 Granite Mauls, 5 Focus Sights, 32 Abyssal Whips, 9 Dark Bows, 1 Whip Vine, 3 Staffs of Light, 15 Polypore Sticks Dragon: 9 Draconic Visages, 7 Shield Left Halves, 20 Dragon Boots, 40 Dragon Med Helms, 8 Dragon Platelegs, 6 Dragon Spears, 20 Dragon Daggers, 5 Dragon Plateskirts, 1 Dragon Chainbody, 63 Off-hand Dragon Throwing Axes, 19 Dragon Longswords, 27 Dragon Maces, 1 Dragon Ward Treasure Trails: Saradomin Full Helm, Ranger Boots, Rune Body (t), Saradomin Vambraces, Various God Pages Misc:1 Onyx,1 Ahrim's Hood, 1 Guthan's Chainskirt, 1 Demon Slayer Boots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misfortune Posted March 29, 2011 Author Share Posted March 29, 2011 Already submitted via pm, will also post! Yeah, but its a "simple" yet very concluding observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHasChicken Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 I LOVE people who flog a dead horse of a topic, contribute absolutely nothing new, and then tout their own literary genius. I really want to be their friends. JOIN CHICKENSWEEPERS TODAY! FUN, FREE, AND IT WON'T MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE JUST BEEN ATTACKED BY A PACK OF WILD DOGS, OR YOUR MONEY BACK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladewing Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 this article would fit in well with the rest of the tip.it times' articles :thumbup: How to Chin Nechyraels for fast XP and profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youmu Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Already 3 users are underappreciating the work the OP has put into the article... I thought it was a pretty nice read, even though it's already things we already know. I'd prefer a comparison pre-2007 and now, though. BlogTrimmed | Master Quester | Final BossBoss pets: Bombi | Shrimpy | Ellie | Tz-Rek Jad | Karil the Bobbled | Mega Ducklings120s: Dungeoneering | Invention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHasChicken Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Already 3 users are underappreciating the work the OP has put into the article... I thought it was a pretty nice read, even though it's already things we already know. I'd prefer a comparison pre-2007 and now, though. For the record, I'm not underappreciating the work. I appreciate it would have taken him a bit of time to write it, I'm just questioning whether that was time well spent considering it really doesn't state ANYTHING new, or even interesting. JOIN CHICKENSWEEPERS TODAY! FUN, FREE, AND IT WON'T MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE JUST BEEN ATTACKED BY A PACK OF WILD DOGS, OR YOUR MONEY BACK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkbullet3 Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Hmm. Good article (albeit it provides some obvious information). Next article should talk about how macros/macro developers influence the RuneScape economy. ^ Blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny_TeamDan Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 You had to research this? Thought it was pretty common knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misfortune Posted March 29, 2011 Author Share Posted March 29, 2011 Honestly the opinions of 12 year old kids do not interest me. All I care about is the fact that it is an interesting topic that I was not heavily informed about and wanted to research more. I have learned more and have had fun researching this topic meaning it was time very well spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHasChicken Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Honestly the opinions of 12 year old kids do not interest me. All I care about is the fact that it is an interesting topic that I was not heavily informed about and wanted to research more. I have learned more and have had fun researching this topic meaning it was time very well spent. And THAT statement just destroyed what little credibility you have. I'm sorry I criticized you, I'm gonna go back and play in the sandpit because I'm actually 2 and you're the most mature person in the world. JOIN CHICKENSWEEPERS TODAY! FUN, FREE, AND IT WON'T MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE JUST BEEN ATTACKED BY A PACK OF WILD DOGS, OR YOUR MONEY BACK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieBrown Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 I see you joined early this year; you musn't know how to get discussion started here.That's okay, you forgot to put "discuss" at the end of your post. Honestly, when i saw it was about bots i automatically did the tl;dr. Maybe find an interesting topic that hasn't been talked about for countless hours previously Main Account - Max cape achieved 10th September 2011 Noob Account - 2300 total and climbing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misfortune Posted March 29, 2011 Author Share Posted March 29, 2011 Q.Q I thought this forum would not be full of trolls and I would be able to get some useful feedback on such items. I realize the time I spent finding site errors and trying to help improve the community has gone to waste. Sorry all of you people have read this, I myself had fun writing it, therefore as previous stated, I dont care about others opinions if all I am going to here is criticism. Do not take me wrong by this as I always appreciate CONSTRUCTIVE criticism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieBrown Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Q.Q I thought this forum would not be full of trolls and I would be able to get some useful feedback on such items. I realize the time I spent finding site errors and trying to help improve the community has gone to waste. Sorry all of you people have read this, I myself had fun writing it, therefore as previous stated, I dont care about others opinions if all I am going to here is criticism. Do not take me wrong by this as I always appreciate CONSTRUCTIVE criticism! Just because we don't agree with what you say, write or discuss, DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE TROLLS. Saying this topic has been discussed wayyy too often and hence, the general community find it [bleep]ing boring actually IS CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. You sirYou are cute. Main Account - Max cape achieved 10th September 2011 Noob Account - 2300 total and climbing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHasChicken Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 If calling you a pretentious, stuck-up hypocrite is being a troll, then I live under a bridge. JOIN CHICKENSWEEPERS TODAY! FUN, FREE, AND IT WON'T MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE JUST BEEN ATTACKED BY A PACK OF WILD DOGS, OR YOUR MONEY BACK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandalf14141 Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 What are the parents of the 17 year old thinking when he is making more money in a month than they do in a year :blink: Finally on here to update that I have officially quit! It's been fun.[hide=Signature]R.I.P Billy Mays and <3 My Friend C.D.S 7/8/09 <360,816th to 99 Fletching 03/07/09|220,309th Person to be Able to Kill Dusties | 10 Year Cape on 12/20/14[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misfortune Posted March 29, 2011 Author Share Posted March 29, 2011 I would also like to know this but I squeezed as much information from the developers as I could. This also being another point. Please show me where all of you have talked to the devs of this bot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youmu Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 And once again, people in this forum prove to be jerks... Some opinions are best kept to yourself. And this applies both to the OP and the people who replied. @Article: I actually didn't know one could profit that much with bots. Probably explains why so many people are still running bot sites. BlogTrimmed | Master Quester | Final BossBoss pets: Bombi | Shrimpy | Ellie | Tz-Rek Jad | Karil the Bobbled | Mega Ducklings120s: Dungeoneering | Invention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Observer Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 I read it unlike a few of the other users. I actually found some bits of useful information I didn't realize before. $500,000 a year is a fairly large sum. I'm pretty sure he doesn't get all of that money though. I mean obviously there's other costs involved. It's probably shared. But even so it's quite a large amount if you compare it to the average person's wage. Unfortunately, bots have taken quite a lot of competition out of getting 99s. Yes, this was rampant throughout the game before free trade was reintroduced, so none of this "you got what you voted for" nonsense. How to improve on your next article? Well, I'd say it's a nice introductory article on the subject. I wouldn't mind if you went more in depth if you decide to write another one on the same topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHasChicken Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 What are the parents of the 17 year old thinking when he is making more money in a month than they do in a year :blink: Sure, he's probably not paying any taxes and will be in jail in the next few years for insider trading from applying this sort of logic to the real life stock market, but yeah, he's got a MUCH better quality of life. JOIN CHICKENSWEEPERS TODAY! FUN, FREE, AND IT WON'T MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE JUST BEEN ATTACKED BY A PACK OF WILD DOGS, OR YOUR MONEY BACK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieBrown Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 I would also like to know this but I squeezed as much information from the developers as I could. This also being another point. Please show me where all of you have talked to the devs of this bot. Considering you didnt' actually tell us what bot you use, uh, investigated, it's a bit hard for us to talk to that specific developer, no? Main Account - Max cape achieved 10th September 2011 Noob Account - 2300 total and climbing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHasChicken Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 And once again, people in this forum prove to be jerks... Some opinions are best kept to yourself. And this applies both to the OP and the people who replied. @Article: I actually didn't know one could profit that much with bots. Probably explains why so many people are still running bot sites. And, by the same vein, your opinion of calling people on this forum jerks should be kept to YOURSELF. Please follow your own lessons. JOIN CHICKENSWEEPERS TODAY! FUN, FREE, AND IT WON'T MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE JUST BEEN ATTACKED BY A PACK OF WILD DOGS, OR YOUR MONEY BACK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youmu Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 And, by the same vein, your opinion of calling people on this forum jerks should be kept to YOURSELF. Please follow your own lessons.You could at least read the article. <_< @Blind: I don't think we're supposed to mention what bots people use on here... BlogTrimmed | Master Quester | Final BossBoss pets: Bombi | Shrimpy | Ellie | Tz-Rek Jad | Karil the Bobbled | Mega Ducklings120s: Dungeoneering | Invention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkbullet3 Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 MISFORTUNE, SINCE THIS THREAD HAS TANKED, PLEASE WRITE A NEW ARTICLE AND REPLACE THIS ONE WITH THAT ONE. TALK ABOUT THE MACROS'/MACRO DEVELOPERS' EFFECT ON THE RS ECONOMY (or on the U.S. economy if you can do that). PLEASE INCLUDE SOURCES. Please and thank you, Pinkbullet3 P.S. -- Please do this so others do not flame you anymore for this article, as sitting here and reading these "criticisms" is useless. ^ Blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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