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Limewire sued for $75 Trillion


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@sam/napalm: to be fair, they do have a valid point. And using their logic, I should then be able to sue all my teachers should I not get the dream job I want, one that makes 2 billion dollars an hour!
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Lol...75trillion dollars? 5 bucks to the first person who posts a dr.evil pic in this thread.

I mean, c'mon. The music isn't technically getting stolen, and sound shouldn't have a price tag on it. What's next? "I think you may pirate/'steal' music sir, I'm suing you for 75 bajillion fofillion...shabadabadu...trillion...yen!'


Hand 'em over, mister. (check the first page).
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In all essence though, these people are suing for money that 'they could've made if they had sold the songs', when is pretty dumb. (An explanation for those who are gonna argue about my earlier post).
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At No_M0re,
I don't mind you calling people "man", it just makes me feel odd since plenty of people seem to think there are no women on the internet. xD
Anyhow, I can assume you hereby admit to randomly sharing your opinion with made-up prices for songs and whatnot?
If your information is based on fact, finding credible sources isn't that hard, so for lack off it is safe to say you were not basing your claims on facts, but simply making things up?

You claim to have read every word I said, yet you repeat the same futile questions while I have already provided a proper answer, and you repeat flawed statements without any arguments or even hint at evidence to back them up. Don't go round in circles now, go on and show us that support for your claims.


Yeah I assumed you were a girl because of your avatar lol!

I do have a fair knowledge of the costs though because of watching my friends and like i said my best mate is an engineer, pretty good one at that. I'm making things up to an extent, it isn't exactly 5k£ to bring out a song, but it is definately around that with no manager/company involved. I would say, for a good songwriter, including the time spent writing the song. If you don't want to accept that is credible that's fine, I don't mind. It's not really but it's a fiarly good estimate, gives an idea.

Also I did read what you said, but it's all weird legal nonsense. I'm saying for my case how is it stealing? Surely you can see it's not really.

Oh well I guess we both have pretty strong opinions on this :ohnoes:

I don't have any evidence either because once again I'd say it's kind of self explanatory, or is it even possible to get evidence for my last post.

Basically I don't think that I personally am stealing.

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$75 Trillion... In your dream. Don't care. Limewire sucks anyway.
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Whenever you pirate, you take a potential sale from a producer/artist. When you have thousands of people pirating music, that's thousands of potential sales that have now been eradicated. It does not matter if you were personally never willing to buy the album, every person who does not own the music is a potential sale. By pirating, you are hurting the people who provide that music for you. There's plenty of free ways of listening to music without pirating, i.e. Pandora and Last.fm. Until the point that you own a physical copy of the song, it isn't pirating. I hate piracy, if only because the original artist doesn't get any profit from it. I like to support the artists I listen to, and am willing to pay for their music. While they only receive some of the profits from each album/song sold, it's better than the nothing that they will get from pirating.


EDIT: I agree with what Nadril said below. Changing Youtube to Pandora.

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Unless its their official youtube channel they don't make money from songs on youtube either. It can also be considered 'piracy'.

It has nothing to do with owning a file.

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Piracy isn't theft if you go out and buy the product afterwards in support of the producer/maker.
Like what I do, and what my friends do. I test out the product before buying it, so I can see if I really want it or not.

How about this.
Some one pirates a game. He/she likes the game. He/she wants to support the developer. He/she then goes out to buy the game.
Is it still illegal?

Sure it's not what a major part of the "Pirate Community" does. But it's what a good chunk do.

Also, I'll pirate games that are discontinued, or not sold in stores anymore. I don't see how it's a lost sale if it's discontinued.
Just to add on what Napalm said earlier: Pretty much the music industry at the moment.
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Idk why anyone uses limewire when you can use Atube catcher and Mp3tag and get free music off youtube. Albeit it's bad quality, but I use it when I want music that isn't on Itunes.



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Firefox -> Downloaderhelper -> Free audio converter = Same quality as on YouTube. Really incredible how many Firefox users never thought there would be an app for downloading YouTube videos.

OT: I like to think of pirates as innovators. Constantly finding new ways to by pass copyright security. The industry changes their locks once in a while and upholds some moral status. Ha, okay.
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Whenever you pirate, you take a potential sale from a producer/artist. When you have thousands of people pirating music, that's thousands of potential sales that have now been eradicated. It does not matter if you were personally never willing to buy the album, every person who does not own the music is a potential sale. By pirating, you are hurting the people who provide that music for you. There's plenty of free ways of listening to music without pirating, i.e. Pandora and Last.fm. Until the point that you own a physical copy of the song, it isn't pirating. I hate piracy, if only because the original artist doesn't get any profit from it. I like to support the artists I listen to, and am willing to pay for their music. While they only receive some of the profits from each album/song sold, it's better than the nothing that they will get from pirating.


EDIT: I agree with what Nadril said below. Changing Youtube to Pandora.


That being said, I would be spending upwards of $2,500 a year on CD's/shirts/concerts if I were to "support" ALL of the music I listened to. Likely more. I do support the bands I feel truly deserve it buy buying their material and bill-boarding their logo, but the best way to support any band in my opinion is to spread their music. What's the fastest way to spread music? Downloading? and to keep the deterrents down...why not make it free?
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I support the band. Not the record company.
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I still find it apalling that the record companies think THEIR entitled to something. 1) it isn't their music, and 2) they're charging too damn much for sound. Even if there were millions/billions of downloads, what gives them the right to charge that much? I say put a price of a penny a piece for each music piece downloaded on limewire, and the people who downloaded those things can pay for it, rather than limewire itself.
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Because when you provide someone with an investment, you expect a return from it. It's called business. If the record companies were earning less profit, they wouldn't invest in as many new bands. But since you've already been rather derogatory by calling music 'sounds', I guess you don't care about there being new bands.

Furthermore, how would you establish accountability? Say I use my nextdoor neighbour's unprotected router to download illegal copies of music. Not only have I already committed a crime in using his Internet access, I've also landed him with a nice fine since the IP address will be traced to his house, when in fact it was me who did it.

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Ginger, you still don't get it. Next you're gonna be saying that people should be charged when they hear every random thing. Truth be told, music is and will always just be sound, and sound will always be invisible, and if people are going to start putting price tags on invisible things, then I guess next people'll be charged for the air they breathe and the stuff they see too...
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Furthermore, how would you establish accountability? Say I use my nextdoor neighbour's unprotected router to download illegal copies of music. Not only have I already committed a crime in using his Internet access, I've also landed him with a nice fine since the IP address will be traced to his house, when in fact it was me who did it.


Most likely they will search in his computer for the downloaded files, and when they don't find them they will let him go. Don't think they would go as far as to doing a search on the neighbour's computer.
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I find it funny that the music industry thinks they will be taken seriously after attempting to sue limewire for $75 trillion.

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Furthermore, how would you establish accountability? Say I use my nextdoor neighbour's unprotected router to download illegal copies of music. Not only have I already committed a crime in using his Internet access, I've also landed him with a nice fine since the IP address will be traced to his house, when in fact it was me who did it.


I don't think it's illegal to use your neighbours wireless connection if it is not protected. It is open to everyone, so why not use it? If they don't want people using it, they would protect it and cracking the password would what's illegal.

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I remember it being illegal to use utilities in the UK without billpayer's permission. I can't find anything better, but Yahoo UK seems to agree: http://uk.answers.ya...9063026AAjTNpa. I can't speak for other countries, obviously.

Most likely they will search in his computer for the downloaded files, and when they don't find them they will let him go. Don't think they would go as far as to doing a search on the neighbour's computer.

All that says is that it's on their computer. Doesn't say who downloaded it. Like if I knived someone with a blade given to me by someone else. Ownership wouldn't say anything there.

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