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I personally wouldn't look at Marijuana as a gateway drug. Gateway drugs in my opinion are drugs that with a lot of use eventually lead you to try harder drugs in order to obtain the same high/buzz ect that you can no longer get from the gateway drug due to increased tolerance. But how many hard drugs really give the same "high" that marijuana gives? Most hard substances such as cocaine and methamphetamines are uppers which give almost the opposite effect of what you would get from marijuana.

If I were to point to anything as a "gateway" substance I would point to alcohol, not because increased tolerance would lead to seeking another way to get "drunk" but because when a person is under a heavy alcohol influence they're more likely to do things that they wouldn't normally, perhaps trying harder drugs for instance.

It still amazes me that marijuana (which if you do enough research you'll find that a lot of studies have shown more positive effects than negative) is illegal and alcohol is legal. Alcohol is easier to access, easier to abuse, and can more easily damage your body if not used in moderation.

While I've consumed alcohol and tried marijuana (and still do both on occasion), and I don't have any ill feelings towards others who use them or don't use them, my opinion is that if anything were to be outlawed it should be alcohol. I also am under the impression that cigarettes (and any tobacco forms to be honest) should be illegal as well because the tobacco industry kills millions of people per year. However I wouldn't hold my breath for a tobacco ban anytime soon, their lobbyists provide the government with way too much money.

I know too little about other drugs to comment on them at this time.

Edit: Just to add, I live in area where marijuana culture is rampant (we have reaaally good pot) and I've also tried medical from Cali. Medical marijuana gets you much higher than homegrown stuff. In case the person asking about a mmj license was wondering. Just wanted to share my experience in case you were worried about being too affected.


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And either way, this is still just giving merit to my question of 'why do they make smoking legal at 18 and alcohol at 19?'
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I would like to smoke weed if or when it is legalized. (don't really feel the risk of getting caught is worth it). As far as drinking goes I drink a little bit on the weekends, usually a few beers. I've gotten pretty drunk before and as you'd expect have never enjoyed the day after it.

So yeah I'm not really apposed to any sort of drug use (well, I draw the line at a lot of really hard drugs such as meth/heroin) even though I don't do it myself.

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Being drunk has got to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Not only you act like an idiot, Not necessarily don't remember nothing afterwards Not necessarily, and are more likely to do things you'll regret, but the hangover the day after? Reminds me of the typical stupid guy who hits himself with a wall forgetting how it hurt last time. Seeking to get drunk is just stupid.



I have gotten drunk quite some times and although I admit that I sometimes get carried away, I still hold -some- self control to prevent doing really stupid stuff, and not once I've gotten to the point of forgetting stuff. It's all about how much you consider to be getting drunk, but you can do it and not be the living stereotype of a drunk guy that is shown in sitcoms and silly movies.

I drink, both with friends and on my own, but not very often (at my peak it was 2 times a week, but that didn't last for more than a month or so. That is if I don't count the time I got drunk like 5 nights in a row, but that's another story). I have smoked pot multiple times, and I do smoke when I get a chance, but I've never personally bought, so I depend on others to get it (I do pay for it, though).

I respect other people's choices, and I don't try to impose something unto them, but I will try to talk a friend out of doing some heavy drugs. Luckily most of my friends are smarter than that.

About legality, I think that it's kind of contradictory to have tobbaco and alcohol be legal, when they are proven to be more dangerous than some other drugs. Either ban them all or legalize the safer drugs.
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About legality, I think that it's kind of contradictory to have tobbaco and alcohol be legal, when they are proven to be more dangerous than some other drugs. Either ban them all or legalize the safer drugs.


I think that as soon as governments can find a way to control (and therefore PROFIT) from the legalization of safer drugs then we won't see it. Once they're wallets are getting fatter from it.. then we'll be able to enjoy them.


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It seems that I lack the knowledge of these drugs as I've never tried them before.

One of the problems with making alcohol illegal would be that it's so easy to make. I think it only requires yeast, hops/barley/grapes and water to make wine/beer.

Legalization of marujana - The amount of positive/negative effects aren't important to me. If you were to 'weigh' the sides up, which one would have more? And does the benefits of smoking marujana outweigh the costs?

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It seems that I lack the knowledge of these drugs as I've never tried them before.

One of the problems with making alcohol illegal would be that it's so easy to make. I think it only requires yeast, hops/barley/grapes and water to make wine/beer.

Agreed, and this was one of the main problems with prohibition in the '20s. It opened up an entire new niche for criminals proficient in making and distributing alcohol.

Legalization of marujana - The amount of positive/negative effects aren't important to me. If you were to 'weigh' the sides up, which one would have more? And does the benefits of smoking marujana outweigh the costs?

Personally I believe that yes the benefits outweigh the costs enough. It's a drug that has been proven to have medical benefits (otherwise I don't know why there would even be medical marijuana available anywhere). Again though, it is something that requires moderation. I may smoke once in awhile, even multiple times in a week, however I wouldn't allow it to be detrimental to my performance in any areas (work, school). For example I wouldn't go to work high (well I have before but I worked as a busboy in a restaurant then) and I wouldn't even attempt my course work high. On the other hand, when I have a good amount of free time I don't mind getting high with friends and just relaxing and kicking back. It's not a bad time. I also don't think that marijuana has ever outright killed anyone (overdoses). I think I heard once that you'd have to smoke an estimated half your body weight's worth of marijuana to overdose on it but I don't know if that's true or how that could even be tested.. that's A LOT of marijuana no matter who you are.



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Might be sounding like the usual conspiracy theorist person here, but I think that the reason why Marijuana isn't legalized is that it's a drug that makes people think.
And when people think, there's revolution.
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It seems a lot of people aren't keen on drinking. I think a lot of it comes down to knowing your limits, as Wisp mentioned, and how to handle yourself. I have a pretty good idea of how much I can drink without getting too sloppy and so that I won't be too hungover then next day. Though I'm pretty good at handling a hangover, because I almost always have work on Sundays...
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It seems that I lack the knowledge of these drugs as I've never tried them before.

One of the problems with making alcohol illegal would be that it's so easy to make. I think it only requires yeast, hops/barley/grapes and water to make wine/beer.

Agreed, and this was one of the main problems with prohibition in the '20s. It opened up an entire new niche for criminals proficient in making and distributing alcohol.

Legalization of marujana - The amount of positive/negative effects aren't important to me. If you were to 'weigh' the sides up, which one would have more? And does the benefits of smoking marujana outweigh the costs?

Personally I believe that yes the benefits outweigh the costs enough. It's a drug that has been proven to have medical benefits (otherwise I don't know why there would even be medical marijuana available anywhere). Again though, it is something that requires moderation. I may smoke once in awhile, even multiple times in a week, however I wouldn't allow it to be detrimental to my performance in any areas (work, school). For example I wouldn't go to work high (well I have before but I worked as a busboy in a restaurant then) and I wouldn't even attempt my course work high. On the other hand, when I have a good amount of free time I don't mind getting high with friends and just relaxing and kicking back. It's not a bad time. I also don't think that marijuana has ever outright killed anyone (overdoses). I think I heard once that you'd have to smoke an estimated half your body weight's worth of marijuana to overdose on it but I don't know if that's true or how that could even be tested.. that's A LOT of marijuana no matter who you are.


I would say that Marujana is a bit like Nuclear Energy. It rarely kills anyone, yet it's frowned upon by many. Why? I don't quite know

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Recreational or therapeutic drinking / drug use is fine, it's the habitual usage that tends to lead to problems.
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I don't see the point to any of it, legal or illegal. Never taken, never will, either drugs or alcohol. I don't care if someone else does it, as long as they don't cause harm to others when they do it. This applies to parents, or anyone who has someone other than themselves to take care of.

And if they DO [bleep] up while under the influence, they should be held fully responsible for it.
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I don't see the point to any of it, legal or illegal.

The same point as anything that's pretty much purely for fun. Some drugs give people useful effects (see: caffeine), some can help people figure out more about themselves (hallucinogens), stress relief, and so on. I'm not saying they're good necessarily, but just trying to give a few "points" of them.
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Marijuana is bad because its illegal. Alchohol and Tobacco are good because theyre legal and I pay tax on them. Half a million Americans die from marijuana use every year, and Tobacco and Alchohol have never causes lung cancer, emphazima, or irreparable brain damage because they are legal. ......Right?
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Might be sounding like the usual conspiracy theorist person here, but I think that the reason why Marijuana isn't legalized is that it's a drug that makes people think.
And when people think, there's revolution.

Attacking the Congress Building with glocks and Macs sounded like a great idea didn't it?

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it's unattractive, but if you really want to intoxicate your body, that's your call.
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They're both repulsive. Weed is boring, I don't understand the reason for smoking then eating then smoking again, for pleasure.

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Marijuana is bad because its illegal. Alchohol and Tobacco are good because theyre legal and I pay tax on them. Half a million Americans die from marijuana use every year, and Tobacco and Alchohol have never causes lung cancer, emphazima, or irreparable brain damage because they are legal. ......Right?


This actually made me laugh! (thank you!)

As for my opinions? First let me tell you my background. I'm a Native American male who grew up on a reservation. That being said. I have gotten drunk, and I have gotten high. I rarely get drunk (maybe a few times a year), and I rarely get high (I never plan on it, but if it's offered, well I'm not buying). The alcohol does have a negative affect if you develop an addiction to it. Just a few weeks ago my best friends mom died from liver and kidney failure at the age of 41.

Marijuana does not kill anyone, nor are the cons really that heavy to keep illegal. The THC in Marijuana is not addicting, it's the high feeling that's addicting. If you have a bad day (very bad day), are in pain, or just need to relieve some stress, blazing up definitely helps you out. Now, if you blaze constantly every day just for the high feeling, you'll move on to heavier drugs, and that's where the problem lies.

tl;dr - Alcohol and Marijuana are both good on occasion.

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I quit both drinking and marijuana. Never smoked tobacco, other than the occasional boge when I was drunk.

Don't really care if people use drugs nor do I really care about legality.

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In international waters, nothing's illegal. I guess that means that drinking/smoking there won't make you die...

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