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I drink every once in a while, and enjoy it. Drinking is a social event... about once a week (Friday or Saturday nights) I go to a local bar with a small group of my friends. It's actually 6 (six) different bars, but they are all connected via a central courtyard. Basically, once you get I.D.'d and enter, you can move about the various bars at your leisure. One of the bars is outdoors and there are pool (billiard) tables and a stage for live music. One of the other bars is inside a newly-built "nightclub" (basically it's a big empty warehouse that they converted into a huge dance floor with a bar in the middle.)

My friends and I hang out, have a few drinks, sit around and talk (they have outdoor patio tables/chairs as well as heaters for cold nights), walk around and say hello to people we meet or know. At some point we eventually head to the nightclub and dance for the rest of the night.

I don't really see any harm in that.

I won't pretend that I haven't drank too much before. I've experienced what you would call a "black out" only twice before. The first time was on my twenty-first birthday, so it's a bit understandable that I overdid it seeing as how the bar I mentioned above gives you a few free drinks on your birthday. The second time was at a friend's house. I did get a bit sick, and some of the events that happened are (still...) a bit foggy, but I wasn't hurt... nothing bad happened, no one else was injured in any way.

For the first few months after I turned twenty-one I drank a lot at home, but I soon realized that sitting at home by myself drinking wasn't a very good sign. I no longer buy and keep alcohol in my house. I still buy wine and other drinks if I'm going to dinner at my sister's house, but we are all adults and are just having a drink or two with dinner.



As far as "drugs go:" a few times when I've been drunk, I've smoked a couple of cigarettes. That's the extent of my "drug use."

I have never tried anything else, including weed. I don't plan on it, even if it were eventually legalized. I'm not QUITE sure why I have this mindset... I have heard a lot of the "For and Against" arguments, but when I was younger I simply told myself that I would never try it, and I've kept to it all this time. I try to not judge people who smoke pot. My own brother and his friends smoke pot, and I really don't see what right I have to judge them or look down on them for their choices - it just isn't for me.

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I drink, I've smoked cannabis and cigarettes and would like to try Cannabis in other ways that doesn't require me to inhale it. I've also taken MDMA and would like to try shrooms and LSD, but probably just for the experience.

My view is that if you know the risks and are willing to take them, go for it. However, if you don't want to do any drugs - legal or otherwise - I understand and I'll try my best to respect that you would probably like me not to take any of those around you. I'll also not offer you it unless I'm in a group offering everyone only because it's not polite otherwise.

It seems that I lack the knowledge of these drugs as I've never tried them before.

One of the problems with making alcohol illegal would be that it's so easy to make. I think it only requires yeast, hops/barley/grapes and water to make wine/beer.

Legalization of marujana - The amount of positive/negative effects aren't important to me. If you were to 'weigh' the sides up, which one would have more? And does the benefits of smoking marujana outweigh the costs?

Cannabis is easier to make, just need seeds and some soil. It is a weed after all.

As for the positives, how about anti-tumour effects? It is also being used in atleast 1 US state to help with chronic pain along with other things.

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My only real thought on it is that Drinking/smoking/doing drugs in high school is really dumb. Like, grow up a little, it's not like you're going to lose the opportunity if you don't drink now. Prohibition's not coming back anytime soon, so don't worry about that. Besides that, it's illegal for you to anyway. Why risk the law, what does that accomplish at all?

For myself, I'm definitely never going to smoke, pot or tobacco or anything else. And at least at this point in my life, I don't think I'm going to drink, recreationally or not. Generally the way I work is this: I can fight an urge fairly well as long as I don't give in. But as soon as I take that first cookie out of the cookie jar, they aren't going to last much more than a day. So it'd be much easier if I just didn't drink, or smoke, or whatever, than if I did and tried to control myself.

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Everyone has their vices and to me it doesn't matter what you pick. I drink heavily and smoke heavily too, those are my vices. I quit cigarettes about a month back and it's the best thing I've ever done.

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I don't do either. I don't mind casual drinking but I personally disapprove of heavy drinking and drug use. Not necessarily saying that either should be illegal (or legal), but I disapprove of them. I don't need to alter my mental state to have a good time :P
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I don't do either. I don't mind casual drinking but I personally disapprove of heavy drinking and drug use. Not necessarily saying that either should be illegal (or legal), but I disapprove of them. I don't need to alter my mental state to have a good time :P

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I've stopped drinking really, and have just moved to casual marijuana usage. Its fun, friendly and chilled.
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I don't do either. I don't mind casual drinking but I personally disapprove of heavy drinking and drug use. Not necessarily saying that either should be illegal (or legal), but I disapprove of them. I don't need to alter my mental state to have a good time :P

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Cannabis is easier to make, just need seeds and some soil. It is a weed after all.

Not really, you can brew your own beer extremely easily. I'm not sure on making hard alcohol, but it doesn't seem overly complex. Growing cannabis is extremely tricky (not from experience). If you go into the process with the "just need some seeds and some soil" mindset, you're going to get crappy ditchweed that will just give you a headache and a dry mouth. I don't want to take this any further as discussing illegal substances is a fine line in the first place, I just wanted to make a point.

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I probably will try cannabis once at some point in my life out of curiosity, but I think that if you take harder drugs, you're dumb and you deserve all of the side effects and health problems you get from them. Think of it as more of a contract regarding your health. I won't judge you for signing it, but I will say that you're doing the wrong thing.

Also, if you're trying to hide behind ambiguous health statistics to justify drug use, you're deluding yourself. Spare us the drivel and don't try to delude others as well.

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I don't do either. I don't mind casual drinking but I personally disapprove of heavy drinking and drug use. Not necessarily saying that either should be illegal (or legal), but I disapprove of them. I don't need to alter my mental state to have a good time :P

Yeah. . . The last part isn't really something i can agree on. Makes it seem like people ONLY drink to "have a good time" or to "alter they mental state". This, i can assure you, is not the fact. Why do i drink alcohol and not just Soda/Fruit Juice/Etc.? Have you ever tried going out, partying it up for 10 hours on JUST coke? That is insane! I've done it moe than once and the sugar rush it gives you is enough to kill you. I would take the worse hang over in the world rather than that. Same happens wheny you drink Frui Juice. The sugar is enough to keep you up for days. Why not just water? It gets a bit dull, after a while. I've also tried that a few times and to be honest i couldnt make it through the night most of the times. Why not drink non alcoholic beer? To put it straight: It tastes like [cabbage].

So what am i really saying? Many people, like myself, choose to drink not for the affect but as i've said for the taste. I'm not a person who enjoys sweet tastes all the time. 1 Coke and i've had enough for a few hours. Beer has a nice taste to it. Its not sweet, but its not bitter. Its also not bland. Its awesome :D

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Cannabis is easier to make, just need seeds and some soil. It is a weed after all.

Not really, you can brew your own beer extremely easily. I'm not sure on making hard alcohol, but it doesn't seem overly complex. Growing cannabis is extremely tricky (not from experience). If you go into the process with the "just need some seeds and some soil" mindset, you're going to get crappy ditchweed that will just give you a headache and a dry mouth. I don't want to take this any further as discussing illegal substances is a fine line in the first place, I just wanted to make a point.

You can also end up make shoddy alcohol. Of course you need to take proper care of it.

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Yeah if you've ever drunk some home brew, you'll know that it's not as easy as it sounds.
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I have two viewpoints on alcohol, because I've seen it from both sides of the spectrum. I've been the one getting drunk and the one having to deal with the various medical problems of others getting drunk. My attitude was actually epitomised yesterday when my brother came in drunk at 6pm because him and his college mates had been out during the afternoon. He was just sat on the bathroom floor falling asleep, clearing needing water and some food to replinish salts, but I actually took the attitude of, 'If he's mature enough to make the decision to get drunk, then he's mature enough to deal with the consequences as well.'

Every Saturday, A&E wards are filled with people who aren't actually ill, they're suffering from a self-inflicted condition that makes them nauseous. How can anyone claim that that's what Nye Bevan had in mind during the late 1940s?

On the other hand, I like getting drunk with friends once in a while. It helps people socialise (lowering guards, disinhibition) and helps 'forget' problems for a few hours. I just know where my limit is and I know how to look after myself once I get there. If only everyone did that, we wouldn't have such a problem with binge drinking, and we could focus on alcoholism instead, ie people who are actually suffering from psychological illness.

Drugs - Erm, no. Just no.

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Drugs - Erm, no. Just no.

What makes alcohol special? It's a drug, just like any other mind altering substance. And not even a safe one, comparatively.
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If you're going to throw the oft-misused chart from The Lancet, then don't bother. I know what dependence and physical harm means. What that charts fails to consider (and the GMC don't exactly hide this fact) is that the chart doesn't equate to an analysis of the risks and relative safety of certain drugs. Ecstasy, for instance, is put in the same 'low risk' category as cannabis, but ecstasy can lead to heat exhaustion, sunstroke and if not treated, death, which isn't really my definition of 'low risk'. If you're using ecstasy with other people who have taken it before and know what to do in an emergency--rest, support blood flow to brain, replenish water and salts, observe vital signs (pulse, responsiveness, breathing), call 999 if needed--you are much safer than if you're taking it on your own with no prior experience and no knowledge of how to nurse yourself better.

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, which is why doctors have been so hesitant to refer to that chart. When I drink, I'm with friends who can look after me if needed, and because of prior experience, I know what the limits are and I know what to do once I've hit that limit. I don't know any of this information with drugs, so as far as I'm concerned, I'm at much greater risk for not knowing what to do if my body for whatever reason reacts to them.

It's not as simple as saying:
* Cannabis is 'safer' than alcohol;
* I take alcohol;
* There is no harm in taking cannabis.

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I love most drugs.

They should all be legal, right now they're just making all the problems worse.

The fact weed is ilegal is an absolute sham and the absence of attempts to address it make me think there's something evil happening.

Only drugs I don't like seeing people do is K, because it's made a generation of mongs. And smack, because it's a horrible thing to do.

Oh and obviously crack/meth.

But I still think they should all be legal unless we want to segregate society forever.

To the above psot ^^^

That is excactly why they should be legal :unsure:



I don't do either. I don't mind casual drinking but I personally disapprove of heavy drinking and drug use. Not necessarily saying that either should be illegal (or legal), but I disapprove of them. I don't need to alter my mental state to have a good time :P

Yeah. . . The last part isn't really something i can agree on. Makes it seem like people ONLY drink to "have a good time" or to "alter they mental state". This, i can assure you, is not the fact. Why do i drink alcohol and not just Soda/Fruit Juice/Etc.? Have you ever tried going out, partying it up for 10 hours on JUST coke? That is insane! I've done it moe than once and the sugar rush it gives you is enough to kill you. I would take the worse hang over in the world rather than that. Same happens wheny you drink Frui Juice. The sugar is enough to keep you up for days. Why not just water? It gets a bit dull, after a while. I've also tried that a few times and to be honest i couldnt make it through the night most of the times. Why not drink non alcoholic beer? To put it straight: It tastes like [cabbage].

So what am i really saying? Many people, like myself, choose to drink not for the affect but as i've said for the taste. I'm not a person who enjoys sweet tastes all the time. 1 Coke and i've had enough for a few hours. Beer has a nice taste to it. Its not sweet, but its not bitter. Its also not bland. Its awesome :D



Lol!!

Obviously it wasn't 100% pure, but yeah I've been raving for 10hours straihgt on just coke lol ;!!

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I'm sorry, you'll have to run that past me again.

They should be made legal because doing otherwise would 'segregate society forever'?

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It seems that I lack the knowledge of these drugs as I've never tried them before.

One of the problems with making alcohol illegal would be that it's so easy to make. I think it only requires yeast, hops/barley/grapes and water to make wine/beer.

Legalization of marujana - The amount of positive/negative effects aren't important to me. If you were to 'weigh' the sides up, which one would have more? And does the benefits of smoking marujana outweigh the costs?


What are the costs of it being legal??

A slightly increased ammount of schizofrenics possibly, but it's generally agiven that those who have schizophrenia are A, more like to end up doing drugs because of how they are and then going mad, or B going to get it from somethign else anyway, weed just speeds it up loads.

Anyaways that's all I can see as costs when legal..

The costs right now?

Gangs, does anyone know how easy it is to sell weed? I have mates making 1k a week just sitting at home and answering the door. It makes a load of lazy workers basically. Also in places that arn'#t ass timid as my town it leads to violence.

Encourages people to stay on the wrong side of the law, basically because people try weed, realise they've been lied to and can't look at the laws the same again.

Encourages hatred towards police. I as a smoker hate seeing police because I almost always have weed with me. That's [cabbage], that should not happen..

Is easier to get than alcohol when under 18. It's a bad habit to get into under 18 (16 maybe), from experience.

It's created a huge subculture of people who hate the law/police, the mainstream, whatever.

Hard to use a medicine. I used to pick up off of a guy who had MS, he had to grow because it was difficult for him to go out and get it. All he did was chill and smoke, no harm, no worries. But he's a criminal apparently.

Money costs.. Untaxed etc.

All I can think of right now but there's definately more..


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I'm sorry, you'll have to run that past me again.

They should be made legal because doing otherwise would 'segregate society forever'?


Already has. Have you ever seen the druggy scene? There's a lot of them (us??) and I feel like it's me against people who criminalize me.

Example, used to work in pub. Local finds out I smoke weed, has a massive go says it's not moral. That's me being segregated because of a law that makes people think drugs are immoral. And there's tons of people out ther. For me there's two people in the world, those I can be honest and chat to about anything and those who I know I have to hold back certain things from.

I call that segregation..

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No, segregation has nothing to do with lifestyle choices. If you choose to do drugs, you have every opportunity to stop taking drugs if other people require you to do so.




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