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I've reported over 100 of bots at the living rock caverns...

 

 

one day I noted all bots I reported (though I admit there might've been some collateral damage, however dieing there, coming back immediatelly - never talking, and "following the crowd" seems very like a bot to me), and after a week of the 100+ I reported 0 were removed from highscores.

 

Someone who "follows the crowd" at LRC and doesn't talk isn't anywhere close to being reasonable criteria for reporting as a botter. All normal players do those things! You may think that dying is cause to show that somebody is a bot, but when I mine while watching TV, I can occasionally take 200-300 damage in total before I notice and move away. For some low-level skillers, that's more than enough to kill them.

 

You are the reason that Jagex ignores so many reports. It's almost impossible for them to filter out the garbage reports from the good ones. Frankly, your ability to report for botting should be removed from your report abuse menu.

uhm without a script you simply CANT keep up with the crowd there.. it lags too much for anyone..

First they came to fishing

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't fishing

 

Then they came to the yews

and I didn't speak out because I didn't cut yews

 

Then they came for the ores

and I didn't speak out because I didn't collect ores

 

Then they came for me

and there was no one left to speak out for me.

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You are the reason that Jagex ignores so many reports. It's almost impossible for them to filter out the garbage reports from the good ones. Frankly, your ability to report for botting should be removed from your report abuse menu.

Because that approach works so well in real life, right?

 

http://www.publicservice.co.uk/news_story.asp?id=15743

 

I'm obviously not comparing murder to botting, but the theme of authority figures ignoring reports from the public is still there.

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You are the reason that Jagex ignores so many reports. It's almost impossible for them to filter out the garbage reports from the good ones. Frankly, your ability to report for botting should be removed from your report abuse menu.

Because that approach works so well in real life, right?

 

http://www.publicservice.co.uk/news_story.asp?id=15743

 

I'm obviously not comparing murder to botting, but the theme of authority figures ignoring reports from the public is still there.

 

Your example is of a single legitimate call to police, to report a crime in progress. The authorities are clearly in the wrong there. However, the Runescape situation is different.

 

A more appropriate analogy would be a person who, in real life, calls the police 100 times in a single day to report that crimes are being committed in various houses along a street, because when he rings the doorbell nobody answers. Obviously they must be up to something nefarious, right? I think that the police would stop listening to this person long before 100 ridiculous reports, if they didn't simply arrest him outright.

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Really, it shouldn't matter if you send in 100 reports and only 50 turn out to be true because it goes through the anti-macro system before a human even has to worry about it.

 

By this reasoning, why not just report everyone, and get everyone processed by the anti-macro system? Unless reporting for botting is purely a psychological placebo for the reporter, I think it's clear that's unreasonable.

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Someone should make a bot to report bots.

By god we've got it.

I actually heard of these long ago (back before trade limit). As far as I know they just died out from lack of interest just like those quiz bots. Not to mention, the only people who have bot software aren't they people who normally want to clear bots.

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Blizzard has an amazingly advanced macro-dedection system, compared to the lousy we have.

 

I guess there are 2 influences: Bots pay for the 6 $ a month and to ban them all would make Jagex lose a lot of money. Secondly I do think that Jagex Employers are not educated enough to handle it.

 

At the opposite, the bot client makers are probably very advanced with Java and Javascript, it would not surprise me if those are by far more intelligent and far more educated than the Jagex employers. I guess the bot client makers are more qualified to handle this dedection system problem. I have read a lot about the situation, and I am myself studying Java-related stuff. I guess 99% of all bots are using Scripts, and to detect a script via a system is pretty easy. A script has no mind of its own, it does not act completely random, so the dedection should be amazingly easy (this also makes me think that jagex is just hungry for the money the bots pay them). I have heard via Youtube, that there are also a tiny little section that set up Bots with Artificial Intelligence. This so called AI is used for Nintendo games like Mario Party, where the Bots have minds on their own. Making bots, which use AI for a few maps and a few minigames like Mario Party is complicated but doable. Making a Bot using AI in the whole land of Runescape is impossible, so even if those Bots use AI, I'm 100% sure they are using this AI within a Script Regulation.

 

Runescape is made of tiles, and the obvious route of bots using AI which are restricted to a few Tiles, might be random, but they are restricted to a certain Tile segment, so it is also detectable. A lot harder than Scripts but it is.

 

Even if Jagex could not handle the AI-Bot section, the other 99% are overly obvious to them. If they had the intention to clear the game of bots, I bet they could clear away around 50% of all bots instantly from the time I currently speak to the future time in 1hour, with a good team they could clear away 99%, but I guess they could not compensate the loss.

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Good scripts are coded to be Human like. They are told to randomly examine objects, mouse over skills to check experience, twitch the mouse, never click the same pixel on the screen twice.

 

I firmly believe the only bots Jagex can truly tell are bots, are the ones that fail random events and the ones that are logged on for 24/7.

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Blizzard has an amazingly advanced macro-dedection system, compared to the lousy we have.

I guess there are 2 influences: Bots pay for the 6 $ a month and to ban them all would make Jagex lose a lot of money. Secondly I do think that Jagex Employers are not educated enough to handle it.

I would say there is another major influence. Capital. Blizzard is worth billions whereas Jagex is worth millions. Even if banning all bots would not mean Jagex losing any profit, they simply can't afford to spend all that money on an anti-macro system. The system they have now is exactly what I would expect any similarly sized company would have. It works well enough, but is very passive. It does not seek out botters, only catching them when they set of major triggers like 24/7 botting or walking into a wall for 3h.

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Someone should make a bot to report bots.

By god we've got it.

I actually heard of these long ago (back before trade limit). As far as I know they just died out from lack of interest just like those quiz bots. Not to mention, the only people who have bot software aren't they people who normally want to clear bots.

I doubt it: I'm very well capable of writing bots for runescape.. However I never see the point in that, I play rs to spent time so why make it so that I have to spent less?

 

And I know very, very many people think alike (well maybe not for rs, but for the games they play)...

First they came to fishing

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't fishing

 

Then they came to the yews

and I didn't speak out because I didn't cut yews

 

Then they came for the ores

and I didn't speak out because I didn't collect ores

 

Then they came for me

and there was no one left to speak out for me.

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Good scripts are coded to be Human like. They are told to randomly examine objects, mouse over skills to check experience, twitch the mouse, never click the same pixel on the screen twice.

 

I firmly believe the only bots Jagex can truly tell are bots, are the ones that fail random events and the ones that are logged on for 24/7.

And Jagex shot themselves in the foot ... Agility at Ape Atoll - no randoms, Fletching/Smithing/Crafting/Magic/God knows what else - at CW - no randoms ... if they are smart enough to play up to 10 hours per day ...

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But they can't tell the guys who are botting firemaking? The ones that follow me in a line because I'm lighting fires where they were coded to do it?

 

I saw one that really baffled me. It made a line of fires, then ran back to re-start on top of its own line! Of course it couldn't, so it stepped one square to the west, paused, stepped another square to the west.... until it finally reached an empty square. It did this several times while I was training to 92 firemaking in the same area. Bad enough the ones that get messed up from your fires, but bots that mess up from their own...?

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Where we go is random, we cover all worlds and people cheating should be worried.

 

There is no such thing as a 'safe' place to cheat. If you cheat, you're going to get caught. If it's not instant, it will catch up with you.

 

They are legion.

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Lol, it sounds like the mods are a lot of talk.

This really does just sound like a scheme to quiet the masses down.

By banning a bunch of these "bots", they seem to think that they have set an example.

 

If you check on page 80-81, Molequul has admitted to botting to 99 mining.

This is pretty ridiculous if you're going to cheat, then blatantly admit to it without fear of any consequences.

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But they can't tell the guys who are botting firemaking? The ones that follow me in a line because I'm lighting fires where they were coded to do it?

 

I saw one that really baffled me. It made a line of fires, then ran back to re-start on top of its own line! Of course it couldn't, so it stepped one square to the west, paused, stepped another square to the west.... until it finally reached an empty square. It did this several times while I was training to 92 firemaking in the same area. Bad enough the ones that get messed up from your fires, but bots that mess up from their own...?

 

This is precisely like the fishing bots in Catherby that wander, back in forth on the beach, until the appropriate fishing spot appears within the designated range of the bot's programming. Until such spot appears, the bot just wanders back and forth in an "L" shaped pattern, repeatedly.

 

The same 50 players have been botting in Catherby for weeks. They're still there.

 

THEN there's the bots in Varrock at Aubury's. Close the door and watch them wander around the building repeatedly until they can finally get through the "open" door.

 

These are OBVIOUS bots - and Jagex doesn't do a damn thing about them.

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