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Apart from NES>SNES, Nintendo don't do things like normal companies and just produce a sequel console like Sony or Microsoft do. They seem to reinvent themselves every console.
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He meant change from generations to generations (SNES -> N64 and s on)

Though i'd argue that N64->GC was a standart improvement instead of a reinvention.

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GB Color to GBA wasn't huge either.

Sorry if I came off as angry before, it's more frustration with the fact that Nintendo has very good competitive games, but XBL and PSN have left Nintendo's online multiplayer services obselete (even if it's free) and this means that PvP competition just isn't that accessible without joining a fansite for that particular game. There's potential not being realised with Nintendo's games and it's painful to watch while CoD gets (re)released like an annual and without doing anything really radical, inherits the online spotlight.

If Nintendo had an online delivery service like XBL, I'd gladly pay £40 for it.

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You could also argue, that the transition from n64 to gcn was a step back when it comes to the games themselves. After all, gamecube never truly matched ocarina of time (mind you, windwaker came damn close).
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Assassin's Creed 3 (hopefully) and Mass Effect 3. Also Skyrim and Diablo 3, I guess.


There is already been a third Assassin's Creed, unless your not counting the last installment.
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Assassin's Creed 3 (hopefully) and Mass Effect 3. Also Skyrim and Diablo 3, I guess.


There is already been a third Assassin's Creed, unless your not counting the last installment.


It's been said that Brotherhood is more of a 2.5 instead of a 3.

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@ginger: isn't that the best part of online multiplayer nintendo games? Multiplayer nintendo games are like the church: you can worship/enjoy it all alone, but it truly is better if you join a church for them...
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I'm just hoping Microsoft and Sony don't announce anything dealing with new systems for a few more years. I'm not ready to be broke. Nintendo can do whatever they want, I bought into the Wii hype when it first came out and I hated it. I probably have less play time on the Wii than I had with any other console ever produced and I've had most of the older consoles.

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If anything this console generation has taught me:

Console gaming will never be reasonably priced again.
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@ginger: isn't that the best part of online multiplayer nintendo games? Multiplayer nintendo games are like the church: you can worship/enjoy it all alone, but it truly is better if you join a church for them...

There is that aspect and I've argued that against my friends who were Nintendophiles, now 360 converts who ridicule the Wii's online gameplay. Not much chance of someone teabagging or shouting abuse down the microphone on Pokemon, that's for sure. The standard of behaviour is definitely something Xbox could take from Nintendo's book.

We're digressing though. I doubt any of this will be debated at E3, lol.

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I'm just hoping Microsoft and Sony don't announce anything dealing with new systems for a few more years. I'm not ready to be broke. Nintendo can do whatever they want, I bought into the Wii hype when it first came out and I hated it. I probably have less play time on the Wii than I had with any other console ever produced and I've had most of the older consoles.


Microsoft just released the Slim. I doubt that they will release a new Console so soon after that.

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Back when the current gen consoles were being announced, they basically said they want them to last something like 10 years before a refresh.
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If anything this console generation has taught me:

Console gaming will never be reasonably priced again.

So freaking true.
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We really know next to nothing about it, so pawning it off as insignificant is nothing short of console snobbery imo.


The console is insignificant on its own merits because the technology is not current, nor revolutionary. You're arguing about games and your only relevant comparison was that it was equally powerful to current gen systems...whoopie, I already pointed that out myself. >_> Calling it console snobbery just because people aren't impressed with Nintendo's desperate grabs at boosting their own sales since the initial fervor the Wii created started to die down is very...silly. To put it politely. Wii sales have been decreasing ever since 2009 and jump forward to today, and they're not even the top console anymore.


Assassin's Creed 3 (hopefully) and Mass Effect 3. Also Skyrim and Diablo 3, I guess.


There is already been a third Assassin's Creed, unless your not counting the last installment.


I kind of sit on the fence in including Brotherhood in story progression. The only real storyline progression that existed was the last 5 minutes of gameplay.

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How can you say the console is insignificant when you acknowledge we know nothing about it. That leaves it more open to be revolutionary and significant. The most solid things I have heard about it so far are that it will have more 'regular' controllers than the Wii, but with a 6 inch screen on them with full game streaming. That could be taken as both gimmicky or revolutionary. It's relevant to remember that people lamented the Wii when it was announced and released for being garbage but it has outsold the others, as I say, by a country mile. It has single handedly brought gaming to the masses. It is now considered one of the success stories of recent technology. It is obvious that it's sales would eventually decline, nobody doubt that, it was inevitable, as it is with all consoles.

In short, just because the current console seems insignificant to you, doesn't mean it is to everybody, and that can also count for the next one.
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Assassin's Creed 3 (hopefully) and Mass Effect 3. Also Skyrim and Diablo 3, I guess.


There is already been a third Assassin's Creed, unless your not counting the last installment.


I'm not discounting it, just that they've said that the major installments come about with a change in setting/character, IIRC.

I think Brotherhood is the 5thish AC installment, anyways. It and the DS games were more about expanding on those settings rather than introducing anything new.
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How can you say the console is insignificant when you acknowledge we know nothing about it. That leaves it more open to be revolutionary and significant. The most solid things I have heard about it so far are that it will have more 'regular' controllers than the Wii, but with a 6 inch screen on them with full game streaming. That could be taken as both gimmicky or revolutionary. It's relevant to remember that people lamented the Wii when it was announced and released for being garbage but it has outsold the others, as I say, by a country mile. It has single handedly brought gaming to the masses. It is now considered one of the success stories of recent technology. It is obvious that it's sales would eventually decline, nobody doubt that, it was inevitable, as it is with all consoles.


Gaming was already in the hands of the masses, this isn't 1995. Let's spare the faux-inspirational speeches, it's starting to sound like a Shigsy speech. It's biggest selling point was it's cheap price. And now, Wii users can thank nintendo for designing short lived money drainers. Meanwhile, both the Xbox 360 and PS3 have held steady (if not increased) in sales while Nintendo hurries up to create their newest gaming fad.

And I'll dismiss it as insignificant because its power is underwhelming and things we already have seen, just as people dismissed motion controls on other consoles because we already saw it on the Wii. Hypocrisy, thy name is the Casual Gamer. If there was a 'revolutionary' feature, we would've heard about it already, much like we did when we found out about Wii1's motion controls.

If you're excited for the Wii2, good for you. I like it because it'll bring more competition in Microsoft and Sony's range, finally, and competition is good. But don't go touting it and its predecessor to be some life changing videogame messiah. It wasn't.

Apart from NES>SNES, Nintendo don't do things like normal companies and just produce a sequel console like Sony or Microsoft do. They seem to reinvent themselves every console.


...C'mon now.

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How can you say the console is insignificant when you acknowledge we know nothing about it. That leaves it more open to be revolutionary and significant. The most solid things I have heard about it so far are that it will have more 'regular' controllers than the Wii, but with a 6 inch screen on them with full game streaming. That could be taken as both gimmicky or revolutionary. It's relevant to remember that people lamented the Wii when it was announced and released for being garbage but it has outsold the others, as I say, by a country mile. It has single handedly brought gaming to the masses. It is now considered one of the success stories of recent technology. It is obvious that it's sales would eventually decline, nobody doubt that, it was inevitable, as it is with all consoles.


Gaming was already in the hands of the masses, this isn't 1995. Let's spare the faux-inspirational speeches, it's starting to sound like a Shigsy speech. It's biggest selling point was it's cheap price. And now, Wii users can thank nintendo for designing short lived money drainers. Meanwhile, both the Xbox 360 and PS3 have held steady (if not increased) in sales while Nintendo hurries up to create their newest gaming fad.

And I'll dismiss it as insignificant because its power is underwhelming and things we already have seen, just as people dismissed motion controls on other consoles because we already saw it on the Wii. Hypocrisy, thy name is the Casual Gamer. If there was a 'revolutionary' feature, we would've heard about it already, much like we did when we found out about Wii1's motion controls.

If you're excited for the Wii2, good for you. I like it because it'll bring more competition in Microsoft and Sony's range, finally, and competition is good. But don't go touting it and its predecessor to be some life changing videogame messiah. It wasn't.

Apart from NES>SNES, Nintendo don't do things like normal companies and just produce a sequel console like Sony or Microsoft do. They seem to reinvent themselves every console.


...C'mon now.


Firstly, please tell me, apart from the NES to SNES where Nintendo have made a console which is sequel and direct follow up to another.

Secondly, I'm sorry but I massively disagree that gaming was with the masses before the Wii. Young kids, grandparents, adults as well as young adults/teens are masses, young adults/teens alone are not the masses.

It is not the price alone which made it so widespread, it's intuitive controls which could be used by anybody were the main selling point. It wasn't a faster and stronger version of a previous console like Sony and Microsofts efforts, it actually had an impact on the market for games.
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Firstly, please tell me, apart from the NES to SNES where Nintendo have made a console which is sequel and direct follow up to another.


..........all of them.

Just because the Wii wasn't named Gamecube 2 does not mean it wasn't a direct continuation of the Nintendo console line. It was the successor as surely as the Xbox 360 was to the Xbox. And, honestly, having a new name for your console does not indicate that you've "reinvented" your console. You've just given it a different name.

Secondly, I'm sorry but I massively disagree that gaming was with the masses before the Wii. Young kids, grandparents, adults as well as young adults/teens are masses, young adults/teens alone are not the masses.


Sorry but a soccer mom playing WiiYoga doesn't count.

The thing that brought gaming to the masses was affordability for home use, taking people out of arcades and into their living room. Even before the Wii/Xbox/PS3, the average age of a gamer was around 30 years old.

It is not the price alone which made it so widespread, it's intuitive controls which could be used by anybody were the main selling point. It wasn't a faster and stronger version of a previous console like Sony and Microsofts efforts, it actually had an impact on the market for games.


Motion controls are about as intuitive as it gets, I'll agree with you. I haven't seen a game outside of the Wii Arcade though that was purely motion driven and successful with it. In most cases, you still have to use joysticks and triggers. So how is that much different than any other console?

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