Obtaurian Posted July 17, 2011 Author Share Posted July 17, 2011 It's wrong. To put it bluntly, [bleep] off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nifflin Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Just got 99 dung so time to start thinking about a third bind. My relevant stats; 99 attack99 str93 def94 mage95 range99 hp66 rc I key, but I don't think I do enough for a plate and I would prefer a dps bind. Any suggestions? 99 mage is a medium term goal I'm working on slowly, as is 70 rc. PM me in game anytime It's a lot easier then that for an idiot to sound smart on the internet. That's exactly what you're doing right now... just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 I notice that wiki's list of monsters' weaknesses says that earth warriors that are weak only to air spells and giant skeletons are only weak to fire spells, you didnt mention that in the celestial staff section did you forget to mention it or is it just wrong?I rape earth warriors with fire surge, so that's wrong. Just got 99 dung so time to start thinking about a third bind. My relevant stats; 99 attack99 str93 def94 mage95 range99 hp66 rc I key, but I don't think I do enough for a plate and I would prefer a dps bind. Any suggestions? 99 mage is a medium term goal I'm working on slowly, as is 70 rc.CCs then, or train to gaunts My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghjkl Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Just got 99 dung so time to start thinking about a third bind. My relevant stats; 99 attack99 str93 def94 mage95 range99 hp66 rc I key, but I don't think I do enough for a plate and I would prefer a dps bind. Any suggestions? 99 mage is a medium term goal I'm working on slowly, as is 70 rc.gold precision bracelethexhunter bowblood necklace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L2Pullout Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Just got 99 dung so time to start thinking about a third bind. My relevant stats; 99 attack99 str93 def94 mage95 range99 hp66 rc I key, but I don't think I do enough for a plate and I would prefer a dps bind. Any suggestions? 99 mage is a medium term goal I'm working on slowly, as is 70 rc.gold precision bracelethexhunter bowblood necklace No strength bonus, not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghjkl Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 It's much more useful than guants if you attack the right monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtaurian Posted July 18, 2011 Author Share Posted July 18, 2011 It's much more useful than guants if you attack the right monsters. Do you have data or can you provide some insight? Preferably both. To put it bluntly, [bleep] off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghjkl Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Plug in the numbers in grimy's spreadsheet yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy_Bunyip Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Plug in the numbers in grimy's spreadsheet yourself.im pretty sure my numbers don't come out with something where primal 2h + neck + gold precision is somehow better on primal warriors than fire surge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghjkl Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 If you factor in a 1/4 chance of having an ovl boost then yes it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 It seems silly to bind something that only performs optimally for 1/4 of the DG or less. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy_Bunyip Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 are you going to tell me the numbers u put in or not games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghjkl Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 205 atk 173 str full turm boost 99 def 341 def bonusweigh 125 str 125 atk at 1/4 with 99 str and atk at 3/4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy_Bunyip Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 205 atk 173 str full turm boost 99 def 341 def bonusweigh 125 str 125 atk at 1/4 with 99 str and atk at 3/4tier 11 rangers have slightly over 130 ish defense.You can calculate it from their max hit, life points, and combat level. but assuming 99 defense and 341 defense bonus, my spreadsheet says you'd be hitting with 193.72 damage per attack on average with overload130 without overloadwhich is about an average of about 146 damage per hit @ 100% accuracy, and ignoring overloads, youd be hitting 193 damage average with emp fire and 228 with ccs fire surgeyou'd need sub 75% accuracy for fire surge to be worse with emp fire.and that's ignoring the possibility that tier 11 rangers actually have ~130 ish defense like their ranger counterparts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cow Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Just got 100 dung so time to start thinking about a third bind. My relevant stats; 86 attack88 str87 def87 mage I think86 range90 hp74 rc I key, but I don't think I do enough for a plate and I would prefer a dps bind. Any suggestions? 90 Attack and defence are long term goals of mine. I currently have gorgonite 2h and gorgonite gauntlets (I just got 100 about an hour ago), are these the best binds for me except for a blood necklace?EDIT lol I got my own levels wrong. Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Is your level high enough for empowered staves? ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghjkl Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Just got 100 dung so time to start thinking about a third bind. My relevant stats; 86 attack88 str87 def87 mage I think86 range90 hp74 rc I key, but I don't think I do enough for a plate and I would prefer a dps bind. Any suggestions? 90 Attack and defence are long term goals of mine. I currently have gorgonite 2h and gorgonite gauntlets (I just got 100 about an hour ago), are these the best binds for me except for a blood necklace?EDIT lol I got my own levels wrong. Fixedgolden precision bracelethexhunter bowblood necklace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nifflin Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 While you're not dging it might be worthwhile to train mage up to 95 for an emp fire staff. PM me in game anytime It's a lot easier then that for an idiot to sound smart on the internet. That's exactly what you're doing right now... just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L2Pullout Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 What speed does fire surge move to on T10 blitzer for instance does it move it from 5 ticks to 4 ticks or 3 ticks to 2.4 I can't find any information on how fast it normally is. Currently i'm T9 blazer and T9 berserker is it worth resetting my ring once I have enough tokens for T10 blitzer and T9 berserker again. Planning on CCS once 100 dg (Currently 2m away). Also at T10 blitzer is the chance 100% that I will cast faster no matter what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy_Bunyip Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 What speed does fire surge move to on T10 blitzer for instance does it move it from 5 ticks to 4 ticks or 3 ticks to 2.4 I can't find any information on how fast it normally is. Currently i'm T9 blazer and T9 berserker is it worth resetting my ring once I have enough tokens for T10 blitzer and T9 berserker again. Planning on CCS once 100 dg (Currently 2m away). Also at T10 blitzer is the chance 100% that I will cast faster no matter what?yes, but we recommend blazer for CCS users for elemental rune conservation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L2Pullout Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Yeah I was thinking I'd be ok with blitzer because I'm not very lazy when it comes to making fire runes, I can usually get my supply pretty healthy and I know how to lose lessly craft runes (using non-home altars, ect) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy_Bunyip Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Yeah I was thinking I'd be ok with blitzer because I'm not very lazy when it comes to making fire runes, I can usually get my supply pretty healthy and I know how to lose lessly craft runes (using non-home altars, ect)i don't think it's worth it to craft fire runes even with out of home altars.The idea is you should try to sustain yourself off loot drops. It's not a bad habit, but it seems to be one that becomes less and less useful with faster floors.I'd recommend sticking to elemental fire rune drops, and learning new habits for spare time.Such as planting seeds, prepping ragers, pathing, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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