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The Guardian is running a story about a whistleblower Liu Dali, who was a prisoner at the Jixi labor camp for three years. Jixi is a forced labor camp where criminals and political dissenters are placed where they do menial, back breaking labor like breaking rocks or carving toothpicks. By day, Dali breaks rocks, and by night he would be forced to play World of Warcraft to farm gold that the prison would later sell.

 

"Prison bosses made more money forcing inmates to play games than they do forcing people to do manual labour," Liu told the Guardian. "There were 300 prisoners forced to play games. We worked 12-hour shifts in the camp. I heard them say they could earn 5,000-6,000rmb [£470-570] a day. We didn't see any of the money. The computers were never turned off."

 

"If I couldn't complete my work quota, they would punish me physically. They would make me stand with my hands raised in the air and after I returned to my dormitory they would beat me with plastic pipes. We kept playing until we could barely see things,"

 

And this isn't just one prison. Dali believes that the prisons throughout north east China are also taking part in forced labor on MMOs including WoW.

 

It is estimated that 80% of all gold farmers are in China and with the largest internet population in the world there are thought to be 100,000 full-time gold farmers in the country

 

I guess the lesson to be learned here is don't buy gold from Chinese gold farmers, because if you do you support human slavery. Buy American emot-9111.gif (just kidding, don't buy gold at all)

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Beating them when they don't make quota is just inefficient. A proper punishment would be to make them play longer.

 

 

and anyway, I thought we knew this about Chinese gold farmers already? But as long as there are lazy kids out there, they'll be in business.

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Jagex may be able to sue and shutdown certain sites that are private enterprises based on gold farming, but it is impossible to shut down prisons, which gold farm. Sounds like a great idea for income though... :mellow:

 

Just think, other countries are borrowing money from China raised by their very own prison, sweatshots.

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Holy crap, I didn't know sweatshop workers were THIS extreme. :blink:

 

Luckily Runescape isn't a game known to the Chinese... well, except a select few like me.

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Why spend money and effort on feeding, clothing and housing slave labourers when you can program a hundred thousand bots to do the work for you? :rolleyes:

Because no one at a prisoner camp is probably even smart enough to know how to use a computer properly :lol:

 

In all seriousness though, I've always wondered that. They are better off doing manual labor instead of goldfarming tbh.

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Why spend money and effort on feeding, clothing and housing slave labourers when you can program a hundred thousand bots to do the work for you? :rolleyes:

Because no one at a prisoner camp is probably even smart enough to know how to use a computer properly :lol:

 

In all seriousness though, I've always wondered that. They are better off doing manual labor instead of goldfarming tbh.

 

The prison makes more money by making them goldfarm though.

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I suppose it gives them something to do while they're in prison. I know I wouldn't mind, but then again, personal experience of playing for hours and hours at a time is pretty tiring.

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I just find it kind of hilarious TBH -- this image of chubby bloated couch potato-esque prisoners being "forced" to play computer games -- as opposed to the physical demand of hard labour ...

 

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Made me lol, thanks for the article. :thumbup:

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That's exactly what you're doing right now... just saying.

 

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I just find it kind of hilarious TBH -- this image of chubby bloated couch potato-esque prisoners being "forced" to play computer games -- as opposed to the physical demand of hard labour ...

 

:lol:

Did you even read the article?

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I just find it kind of hilarious TBH -- this image of chubby bloated couch potato-esque prisoners being "forced" to play computer games -- as opposed to the physical demand of hard labour ...

 

:lol:

Did you even read the article?

 

Why yes, as a matter of fact I did -- didn't you? Shall I read it for you?

 

Once upon a time in a land far far away, there was this place where bad people went and they banged rocks, fletched chopsticks, read books and played video games. It was all such hard work.

 

The end.

 

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I just find it kind of hilarious TBH -- this image of chubby bloated couch potato-esque prisoners being "forced" to play computer games -- as opposed to the physical demand of hard labour ...

 

:lol:

Did you even read the article?

 

Why yes, as a matter of fact I did -- didn't you? Shall I read it for you?

 

Once upon a time in a land far far away, there was this place where bad people went and they banged rocks, fletched chopsticks, read books and played video games. It was all such hard work.

 

The end.

 

:rolleyes:

 

Satire does not become the situation at all. This is a major problem which the public has had at least an idea of in the past - where people who were either poor or enslaved had to do stuff like this.

 

Truthfully I thought that China had "outlawed" the sale of virtual gold. If prisons are doing this, then it's a pandemic that can't be stopped by simply going to the Chinese government [again] and asking nicely.

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I just find it kind of hilarious TBH -- this image of chubby bloated couch potato-esque prisoners being "forced" to play computer games -- as opposed to the physical demand of hard labour ...

 

:lol:

Did you even read the article?

 

Why yes, as a matter of fact I did -- didn't you? Shall I read it for you?

 

Once upon a time in a land far far away, there was this place where bad people went and they banged rocks, fletched chopsticks, read books and played video games. It was all such hard work.

 

The end.

 

:rolleyes:

 

Satire does not become the situation at all. This is a major problem which the public has had at least an idea of in the past - where people who were either poor or enslaved had to do stuff like this.

 

Truthfully I thought that China had "outlawed" the sale of virtual gold. If prisons are doing this, then it's a pandemic that can't be stopped by simply going to the Chinese government [again] and asking nicely.

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You have no idea how insulting that sounds, "working in a coal mine, carving chopsticks, digging ditches, memorizing communist propaganda from dawn until dusk, and gold farming for 12 hours straight" is not the same as a freaking daycare. Also to Sonikku, "It's a big business in China, earning nearly $2 billion in 2008", so I doubt there are many more lucrative things for prisoners to do. Lastly to the ban of selling in-game gold, according to this article "The Chinese government, however, appears to be uninterested in regulating sales of in-game items for real cash. A report in the English-language China Daily says that in-game gear is not considered virtual currency, so selling virtual items can be expected to continue," (Probably to control inflation, since the Q coin has a HUGE impact in China's market); so I suppose they could still make the prisoners gather raw resources.

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I just find it kind of hilarious TBH -- this image of chubby bloated couch potato-esque prisoners being "forced" to play computer games -- as opposed to the physical demand of hard labour ...

 

:lol:

Did you even read the article?

 

Why yes, as a matter of fact I did -- didn't you? Shall I read it for you?

 

Once upon a time in a land far far away, there was this place where bad people went and they banged rocks, fletched chopsticks, read books and played video games. It was all such hard work.

 

The end.

 

:rolleyes:

 

Satire does not become the situation at all. This is a major problem which the public has had at least an idea of in the past - where people who were either poor or enslaved had to do stuff like this.

 

Truthfully I thought that China had "outlawed" the sale of virtual gold. If prisons are doing this, then it's a pandemic that can't be stopped by simply going to the Chinese government [again] and asking nicely.

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On the contrary, it's a hilarious situation. You've got murderers, rapists and goodness-knows what other types of known criminals who, instead of being punished through hard-labour, are now all huddled in front of computer screens playing video games -- and complaining about it ...

 

:rolleyes:

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Why yes, as a matter of fact I did -- didn't you? Shall I read it for you?

 

Once upon a time in a land far far away, there was this place where bad people went and they banged rocks, fletched chopsticks, read books and played video games. It was all such hard work.

 

The end.

 

:rolleyes:

 

Satire does not become the situation at all. This is a major problem which the public has had at least an idea of in the past - where people who were either poor or enslaved had to do stuff like this.

 

Truthfully I thought that China had "outlawed" the sale of virtual gold. If prisons are doing this, then it's a pandemic that can't be stopped by simply going to the Chinese government [again] and asking nicely.

 

On the contrary, it's a hilarious situation. You've got murderers, rapists and goodness-knows what other types of known criminals who, instead of being punished through hard-labour, are now all huddled in front of computer screens playing video games -- and complaining about it ...

 

:rolleyes:

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Further proof that you did not read the article. Not all of these people are the low point of society, "Liu Dali was imprisoned by the Chinese government in 2004 for 'illegally petitioning' it to end the rampant corruption in his hometown. He was sentenced to 3 years at the Jixi labor camp."

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I just find it kind of hilarious TBH -- this image of chubby bloated couch potato-esque prisoners being "forced" to play computer games -- as opposed to the physical demand of hard labour ...

 

:lol:

Did you even read the article?

 

Why yes, as a matter of fact I did -- didn't you? Shall I read it for you?

 

Once upon a time in a land far far away, there was this place where bad people went and they banged rocks, fletched chopsticks, read books and played video games. It was all such hard work.

 

The end.

 

:rolleyes:

 

Satire does not become the situation at all. This is a major problem which the public has had at least an idea of in the past - where people who were either poor or enslaved had to do stuff like this.

 

Truthfully I thought that China had "outlawed" the sale of virtual gold. If prisons are doing this, then it's a pandemic that can't be stopped by simply going to the Chinese government [again] and asking nicely.

 

On the contrary, it's a hilarious situation. You've got murderers, rapists and goodness-knows what other types of known criminals who, instead of being punished through hard-labour, are now all huddled in front of computer screens playing video games -- and complaining about it ...

 

:rolleyes:

Further proof that you did not read the article. Not all of these people are the low point of society, "Liu Dali was imprisoned by the Chinese government in 2004 for 'illegally petitioning' it to end the rampant corruption in his hometown. He was sentenced to 3 years at the Jixi labor camp."

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Oh -- yeah -- how silly of me. Everyone's innocent in prison, right? :rolleyes:

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On the contrary, it's a hilarious situation. You've got murderers, rapists and goodness-knows what other types of known criminals who, instead of being punished through hard-labour, are now all huddled in front of computer screens playing video games -- and complaining about it ...

 

:rolleyes:

Not instead of, in addition to.

 

Did you read the article?

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I just find it kind of hilarious TBH -- this image of chubby bloated couch potato-esque prisoners being "forced" to play computer games -- as opposed to the physical demand of hard labour ...

 

:lol:

Did you even read the article?

 

Why yes, as a matter of fact I did -- didn't you? Shall I read it for you?

 

Once upon a time in a land far far away, there was this place where bad people went and they banged rocks, fletched chopsticks, read books and played video games. It was all such hard work.

 

The end.

 

:rolleyes:

 

Satire does not become the situation at all. This is a major problem which the public has had at least an idea of in the past - where people who were either poor or enslaved had to do stuff like this.

 

Truthfully I thought that China had "outlawed" the sale of virtual gold. If prisons are doing this, then it's a pandemic that can't be stopped by simply going to the Chinese government [again] and asking nicely.

 

On the contrary, it's a hilarious situation. You've got murderers, rapists and goodness-knows what other types of known criminals who, instead of being punished through hard-labour, are now all huddled in front of computer screens playing video games -- and complaining about it ...

 

:rolleyes:

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On the contrary, it's a hilarious situation. You've got murderers, rapists and goodness-knows what other types of known criminals who, instead of being punished through hard-labour, are now all huddled in front of computer screens playing video games -- and complaining about it ...

 

:rolleyes:

Not instead of, in addition to.

 

Did you read the article?

 

Yes, yes, yes -- I am sure that his entire story is 100% factual and we should all feel sorry for these poor downtrodden criminals who are all innocent of the crimes that they've committed been jailed for didn't do.

 

... and after a hard days work "banging those rocks together", they were then "FORCED" to play video games ...

 

I mean WOW -- that is some fricken HARDCORE nasty [cabbage], right?

 

Oh and -- :rolleyes:

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I just find it kind of hilarious TBH -- this image of chubby bloated couch potato-esque prisoners being "forced" to play computer games -- as opposed to the physical demand of hard labour ...

 

:lol:

Did you even read the article?

 

Why yes, as a matter of fact I did -- didn't you? Shall I read it for you?

 

Once upon a time in a land far far away, there was this place where bad people went and they banged rocks, fletched chopsticks, read books and played video games. It was all such hard work.

 

The end.

 

:rolleyes:

 

Satire does not become the situation at all. This is a major problem which the public has had at least an idea of in the past - where people who were either poor or enslaved had to do stuff like this.

 

Truthfully I thought that China had "outlawed" the sale of virtual gold. If prisons are doing this, then it's a pandemic that can't be stopped by simply going to the Chinese government [again] and asking nicely.

 

On the contrary, it's a hilarious situation. You've got murderers, rapists and goodness-knows what other types of known criminals who, instead of being punished through hard-labour, are now all huddled in front of computer screens playing video games -- and complaining about it ...

 

:rolleyes:

Are you trolling or just completely ignorant of world affairs.

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Oh -- yeah -- how silly of me. Everyone's innocent in prison, right? :rolleyes:

Not all penal systems are the same, and considering that China has about 10x the number of "politically subversive" prisoners that the US has you can't make a direct comparison. And despite that, the number of human's rights violations by the Chinese Penal system is extensive: "The Chinese penal system, which lacks a fair judicial process, employs an extensive network of forced labor camps in order to “reform” criminals through labor. Its purpose, however, is to remove political opposition from society while simultaneously improving the economy. Worse, as an institutional tool for the government to stifle political opposition, the penal system almost inevitably employs the use of both physical and psychiatric torture. In such a penal system, torture is justified as a means to secure confessions and the compliance of political dissidents. In the absence of due process and improper criminal procedures, coupled with the enticement of profit-making, prisoners are susceptible to illegal organ harvesting and trafficking globally."

 

EDIT: Just to reinforce your complete lack of empathy and utter disregard for basic human rights, they aren't just sitting on the couch playing video games. "If I couldn't complete my work quota, they would punish me physically. They would make me stand with my hands raised in the air and after I returned to my dormitory they would beat me with plastic pipes. We kept playing until we could barely see things," said Dali.

 

Mental exhaustion and physical torture are SERIOUS [bleep]ING OFFENSES.

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Oh -- yeah -- how silly of me. Everyone's innocent in prison, right? :rolleyes:

Not all penal systems are the same, and considering that China has about 10x the number of "politically subversive" prisoners that the US has you can't make a direct comparison. And despite that, the number of human's rights violations by the Chinese Penal system is extensive: "The Chinese penal system, which lacks a fair judicial process, employs an extensive network of forced labor camps in order to reform criminals through labor. Its purpose, however, is to remove political opposition from society while simultaneously improving the economy. Worse, as an institutional tool for the government to stifle political opposition, the penal system almost inevitably employs the use of both physical and psychiatric torture. In such a penal system, torture is justified as a means to secure confessions and the compliance of political dissidents. In the absence of due process and improper criminal procedures, coupled with the enticement of profit-making, prisoners are susceptible to illegal organ harvesting and trafficking globally."

China's human rights record is appalling. APPALLING! The actions they commit against their own people in the name of law and order is absolutely gawd-awful. On the scale of one to 10, with one being the worst and 10 being the most lenient "forcing" prisoners to play video games is, roughly, one-million-and-six.

 

On a scale of world-wide issues ranging from world peace, the Arab Spring, the death of bin Laden, the world economic crisis, flooding, tornadoes, earthquakes, the Sudan, Israel/Arab relations and everything else not to mention that the rapture is coming on May 21, 2011 October 21, 2011 a news story that, some FOUR YEARS AGO, the Chinese were "forcing" prisoners to play video games for money, isn't even a distant BLIP on the radar of what is newsworthy or of any concern, at all.

 

Jesus Christ, people, get some PERSPECTIVE already ...

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