Pking this is what it has become?

[elucin8er]

Lol the actual pkers are dominating this arguement. As the epic picture says, skillers just dont understand.

 

Please, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't post :thumbsup: Few people should be leaving this thread, you is getting owned.

[Boeg3]

Lol the actual pkers are dominating this arguement. As the epic picture says, skillers just dont understand.

 

Please, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't post :thumbsup: Few people should be leaving this thread, you is getting owned.

That makes me lol^.. hard

Welcome back to the thread that failed so hard you had to leave it broski!

 

Now, the guy with the picture said that everyone who doesn't agree with him don't understand, and then went on to assume that we were all skillers then.

Bascially just flame with no argument.. a post i would expect from you tbh :-#

[Pete Party]

I have had people convince me to do a DM then when they were about to die they run...

[Heisenberg]

Lol the actual pkers are dominating this arguement. As the epic picture says, skillers just dont understand.

 

Please, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't post :thumbsup: Few people should be leaving this thread, you is getting owned.

That makes me lol^.. hard

Welcome back to the thread that failed so hard you had to leave it broski!

 

Now, the guy with the picture said that everyone who doesn't agree with him don't understand, and then went on to assume that we were all skillers then.

Bascially just flame with no argument.. a post i would expect from you tbh :-#

 

 

If you read my post I think you'll find it far less judgmental.

[CharlieBrown]

Lol the actual pkers are dominating this arguement. As the epic picture says, skillers just dont understand.

 

Please, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't post :thumbsup: Few people should be leaving this thread, you is getting owned.

 

Just looked you up in high scores

 

You're not ranked for anything pk related

??????

 

Inb4norareyou. Ididn'ttrytoactlikeiwasamassivepk'er

[Crossed_Body]

I'm still waiting for real-death duel arena matches, with rules. Then I might start pking.

[BioIce]

Heh.

 

I bet Happy gets far more kills in a day than anyone who tells him to follow the so-called honor code. And the best part is he rarely ever has to die because the honor code said no running.

 

In f2p, praying overheads is just downright sad. Not only does it take away the tiniest chance for a kill, you also waste your own prayer and that leaves you at a disadvantage to get a kill even if the other person is not using overheads. Remember there are no ppots in f2p.

 

It's really a matter of tactics. Use everything at your disposal.

 

Let's say I'm up against someone who is purely melee, in deep wild, and there's a 10 level difference between us with me being the lower leveled. They put on melee pray? I mimic their move and switch to fire blast. (You can now mage in full rune with a high enough magic level and mage dungeoneering gear.) Fast switching takes at best only a second. Usually they get surprised and after a few seconds switch to mage pray. In that case you switch back to melee. Whittle their health down. At this point they're the ones who try juggling to eat and prayer switch, they're barely damaging you, and all it takes is one fatal second of indecision. (To annoy them further, flash pray to the swing of their weapon, but it's not necessary at this point.) If they try to run away, well that's what binds are for.

 

If I were up against a hybrid range/2her I would use different tactics when approaching the fight. Same for a pure ranger.

 

This way, F2P pking is hardly a boring slap-me-silly scimitar fight in full rune with misses everywhere if you use what's there in the game that's available. Corrupt weaponry, dungeoneering weapons, etc. Because there are no rules like in a duel arena, every possibility under the sun is open to you.

[i_trollz_u]

Heh.

 

I bet Happy gets far more kills in a day than anyone who tells him to follow the so-called honor code. And the best part is he rarely ever has to die because the honor code said no running.

 

In f2p, praying overheads is just downright sad. Not only does it take away the tiniest chance for a kill, you also waste your own prayer and that leaves you at a disadvantage to get a kill even if the other person is not using overheads. Remember there are no ppots in f2p.

 

It's really a matter of tactics. Use everything at your disposal.

 

Let's say I'm up against someone who is purely melee, in deep wild, and there's a 10 level difference between us with me being the lower leveled. They put on melee pray? I mimic their move and switch to fire blast. (You can now mage in full rune with a high enough magic level and mage dungeoneering gear.) Fast switching takes at best only a second. Usually they get surprised and after a few seconds switch to mage pray. In that case you switch back to melee. Whittle their health down. At this point they're the ones who try juggling to eat and prayer switch, they're barely damaging you, and all it takes is one fatal second of indecision. (To annoy them further, flash pray to the swing of their weapon, but it's not necessary at this point.) If they try to run away, well that's what binds are for.

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If I were up against a hybrid range/2her I would use different tactics when approaching the fight. Same for a pure ranger.

 

This way, F2P pking is hardly a boring slap-me-silly scimitar fight in full rune with misses everywhere if you use what's there in the game that's available. Corrupt weaponry, dungeoneering weapons, etc. Because there are no rules like in a duel arena, every possibility under the sun is open to you.

 

I guarantee you can't mage in full rune and expect to hit, not matter how high your mage lvl is. I can also guarentee you that no one my lvl in f2p could ever kill me if i even "safed" above 400 LP, even with a grav 2h. If i prayed melee they wouldn't be able to kill me at all. There's also no way they can switch the mage gear unless someone is using an incredibly slow weapon, i'd get off at least 2 shots on a shortbow by the time they finished they switch to mage gear and back. Also...teleports?

[i_trollz_u]

Have fun getting kills when people eat at about 600ish HP at 89 Strength etc...

 

K, I tried replying to this neatly but gave up. I'll just list your points in order.

 

1. Even if they're comfortably outside of KO range, they're still expending their resources and not attacking you. At this point, they should be perma-iced or entangled depending on location.

 

2. Flash your gear. It takes one tick to switch as many pieces as you can click and it doesn't interrupt.

 

3. The flail becomes better as enemy def level increases since it ignores defense as well as prayer. Against anything above a mix of rune and dragon, it's arguably more efficient than a whip. As for the PK-based builds that you mentioned, this is why it's a terrible idea to PK until you're max-combat because of Jagex's terrible combat level calculation method

 

4. Why the hell would anyone Edge PK? Just go to the duel arena for that crap.

 

5. There is no 5. Derp.

 

Lol@ suggestion of veracs set of for hybridding. GL getting set effect to take place often enough to make a difference. And it takes more than one tick to do a 4 item switch (taking into account the time it takes to cast a spell or click attack as part of the tick). And the max hit of the flail is about the max hit of a d scim anyway.

[BioIce]

Everything is situational. In your case you seem to be a range/g2h hybrid. I wouldn't use approach I mentioned. That's entirely for pure melee enemies.

 

As for magic: blastbox deals a 25% critical hit. Add that with the bonuses given by the blast necklace and the gravite staff, I've managed to deal upwards of 230 damage. While wearing full rune, and my magic at 99, swanky boots for my feet and runecraft robe gloves for my hands.

 

It's extremely effective against the outdated full rune scimitar/2h setup.

[i_trollz_u]

Everything is situational. In your case you seem to be a range/g2h hybrid. I wouldn't use approach I mentioned. That's entirely for pure melee enemies.

 

As for magic: blastbox deals a 25% critical hit. Add that with the bonuses given by the blast necklace and the gravite staff, I've managed to deal upwards of 230 damage. While wearing full rune, and my magic at 99, swanky boots for my feet and runecraft robe gloves for my hands.

 

It's extremely effective against the outdated full rune scimitar/2h setup.

 

I'm actually not sure what you're mage bonuses are, but if you go below negative 25 or so you just flat out won't do damage effectively even if you're 99 mage. If i'm wearing green d'hide you just are not going to hit me. Also, your max hit is still incredibly low and there's no combos you could possible pull off, so if i even stay above 400 lp, (which in p2p is just asking for a ko), you are not going to kill me, no matter what tactics you try and use, maybe you can get incredibly lucky with corrupt weapons but even that would be hard, and in which case ill simply eat above 500lp. And i'll just teleport when i'm out of pray/food.

[BioIce]

You've never tried it then.

 

It never goes to as low as -25. In fact, I can bring it up to the positives if I switch to a runecrafter hat instead of a helm. And against a pure melee, they're the ones missing more while you at least damage them 8 times out of 10.

 

And you seem to miss the point: it's all situational. I wouldn't use these methods against a different build like the one you're using.

 

EDIT: Funny thing about people trying to use d'hide and still melee, if their magic is low enough your fireblast still hits more than they do you.

[i_trollz_u]

You've never tried it then.

 

It never goes to as low as -25. In fact, I can bring it up to the positives if I switch to a runecrafter hat instead of a helm. And against a pure melee, they're the ones missing more while you at least damage them 8 times out of 10.

 

And you seem to miss the point: it's all situational. I wouldn't use these methods against a different build like the one you're using.

 

You're right, I'ver never tried melee/magic hybriding with runecrafter robes before. But tell me how you would kill someone wearing green d'hide and a rune full helm and eats whenever he get's below 400. How about 500 or 600, or someone just trolling and eating whenever they lose any LP? And then tell me how you can stop them from hitting f4 and clicking the varrock tele button. When you can do that, you can tell me how it's ok to pk without the "honor code" in f2p, because in f2p it's almost pointless to pk against someone who doesn't let their LP drop below 300.

[BioIce]

I've killed my share of safers, and they were usually all using the full rune/scim/r2h build. (Because those are the marks I pick if I'm maging.) If someone's just eating all the way to full health, if you're below level 20 wild, smartest thing to do is just break off the fight. If you're feeling stubborn, oh boy does it turn into a battle of attrition. Since you end up dealing more damage than they do they usually run out of food faster than you even with the reduced space from runes taking up your inventory. Not really a smart thing to do, but if you're feeling lucky, go right ahead and fight.

 

Teleblock is handy. Problem is figuring out when to use it, judging when your opponent feels like they're about to run. It's not something you can tell right off, it's more of an instinctual feel in the flow of the fight. Use it too late, and they're already too far to bind. Use it too soon and they'll run. Sorry I can't explain it well.

 

As for a full d'hide melee, I just switch to a gravite bow. Faster speed than a rapier or a scimitar.

 

Or a gravite longsword with the blastbox still equipped. They usually put their rune back on and I can just manually pick fire blast to use on them. EDIT: Or if I want to scare them, a corrupt scimitar or battleax.

 

If I were up against a range/2h I wouldn't mage but use gravite/g2h or gravite/corrupt. Overpower them in terms of gear.

 

And good God, you'd be insane to pk in full runecrafter robes in any level of the wild. There's a reason no one is crazy enough to do that, it's asking for rangers in hybrid gear to snipe you. Kindly refrain from doing that.

[Zaps]

Don't even try doing TB + Entangle. That's a joke unless you're packing god spells + charge.

 

God spells are really outdated and are just a sentimental reminder of old school pking. Fire surge with stream and c staff is better now on the normal spellbook.

 

I prefer godspells for the effects. Saradomin Strike lowers a person's Prayer by 1 point every hit. Flames of Zamorak lowers their Magic making you hit more often. Claws of Guthix lowers their Defence making you hit more often with more than just mage. I don't bring streams for my +1 anymore since last time I did I had to choose between it and claws. Ended up getting rushed in multi by 3 maxed mains with claws and got smited. So it lost 'em both anyways. :P

 

 

"zomg no running hnnnnnnnnnnngh" because you haven't yet figured out that hybriding is a great idea.

 

 

Hybridding in edgeville is a "come claw rush/pj me" invite.

 

I'm glad someone understands that Edgeville just isn't a place for magic outside of pures and vengeance. (Or rushing without taking off protect/deflect melee.)

 

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Have fun getting kills when people eat at about 600ish HP at 89 Strength etc...

 

K, I tried replying to this neatly but gave up. I'll just list your points in order.

 

1. Even if they're comfortably outside of KO range, they're still expending their resources and not attacking you. At this point, they should be perma-iced or entangled depending on location.

 

Maybe so - but if I'm in Edgeville and bring ancients for whatever reason, as soon as they're frozen they will tele and as soon as they tele all the people with protect/deflect melee up with turn towards me with their d claw specs ready. One of them will succeed and leave me dead. Also - I loose the ability to cast Vengeance. In Edgeville the combos with Vengeance really are needed against the people who do eat at 600 HP.

 

2. Flash your gear. It takes one tick to switch as many pieces as you can click and it doesn't interrupt.

 

Once again assuming that I'm at Edgeville - Bringing runes/gear limits the amount of food I can take meaning I'd die even faster. (Mystic Top, Bottom, 5x Law rune, 5x Death rune, 5x Chaos rune, 40x Nature rune, 50x Water rune, 50x Earth rune.) That's 8 less Rocktails that I can bring. That set-up costs me 1,840 spare Lifepoints. Since I'm an honour PKer that cuts down on my ability to out-last and get kills.

 

3. The flail becomes better as enemy def level increases since it ignores defense as well as prayer. Against anything above a mix of rune and dragon, it's arguably more efficient than a whip.

 

You do realise that the effect is random and doesn't happen every time? Think of all the sets like Guthan's. Verac's and Dharok's just don't show an animation when they hit.

 

As for the PK-based builds that you mentioned, this is why it's a terrible idea to PK until you're max-combat because of Jagex's terrible combat level calculation method

 

I've tried PKing with my main (94-92-99 with 99 HP) and honestly it isn't fun at all. 0-0-0-0-0-220-0-0-340-(Korasi Spec)-600 done. That's the whole point of lower defence accounts now. Before this though, I believe the accounts were made to take advantage of other accounts with higher Defence that way you could have an advantage with higher than average Attack/Strength.

 

 

4. Why the hell would anyone Edge PK? Just go to the duel arena for that crap.

 

A lot of people do. I like how it is easier to return to instead of having to walk through multiple levels of the Wilderness. I also like the style. No need to bring extra switches, freezes, Summoning familiars, etc.

 

5. There is no 5. Derp.

 

[AHappySeeker]

My points were all made with regards to high-level wildy PKing. I just don't see the point in Edge duels. If you're going to duel in Edge, know that you can get an entirely better experience in the duel arena.

 

EDIT: Verac's set effect is random but it's frequent enough to be reliable. Compare hits vs the KQ in her first vs her second form and realise that defenses are also being nullified..

[I_am_Not]

so you got lured in to multi or a group of people in single(not sure entirely) and they killed you?

 

wow jagex should fix that

[Zaps]

Compare hits vs the KQ in her first vs her second form and realise that defenses are also being nullified..

I had a KQ task yesterday for Slayer. I ranged both forms with ease using broad tipped bolts. Does this mean they ignore Defence/Prayers as well?

[haqiang]

penalty for death while pking is too high, why do you think people are reluctant to die.

[Sly_Wizard]

Have fun getting kills when people eat at about 600ish HP at 89 Strength.

 

Either I hope you're being sarcastic, or you're talking about f2p. I haven't PK'ed in years, but even I know that you can KO someone who has 89 strength and 600 lp's.

[AHappySeeker]

Compare hits vs the KQ in her first vs her second form and realise that defenses are also being nullified..

I had a KQ task yesterday for Slayer. I ranged both forms with ease using broad tipped bolts. Does this mean they ignore Defence/Prayers as well?

 

That doesn't address def nullification but... compare number of orange hitsplats vs red. Be a winner.

[BioIce]

so you got lured in to multi or a group of people in single(not sure entirely) and they killed you?

 

wow jagex should fix that

 

Eh? This has been around for a while. A clan or team would deathdot just a square away from the multi-zone with their bait in multi. One moment you're fighting a "fair" duel, the next you die under a barrage of farcasted spells and arrows. It's essentially using the zones to your advantage, a clever tactic.

[Zaps]

Have fun getting kills when people eat at about 600ish HP at 89 Strength.

 

Either I hope you're being sarcastic, or you're talking about f2p. I haven't PK'ed in years, but even I know that you can KO someone who has 89 strength and 600 lp's.

Yes I know it is possible. I've only ever had success against people like this with an Armadyl Godsword. Very rarely am I able actually kill someone with a Dragon Dagger spec. Most kills like that are either a whip combo or a decent whip hit with a vengeance hit as well.

 

As of right now (assuming I have a max boost turmoil) I max at 644 with an Armadyl Godsword in my PK gear, or 339-339 with my DD. Then again, most people will eat as soon as they see my DD. Let's say I do manage to get them down to ~100 LP after two specs. They will then just tele. It happens all the time.

[buffrichie]

IMO teleblock is what caused the massive teams to form and basically ruined deep wilderness pking. I wish they would have only made it to stop people from using manual teleports and not in-game ones. Before teleblock people weren't afraid to solo pk from the agility arena to the axe hut. If they ran into huge teams, even though most clans or groups of people back then actually used multi, they would just run and use the lever at mage bank or the lever back to ardy. I know your gonna say they lever'd OMG but a good pker would usually kill them before they got the chance to hit lever and even if you didn't get the kill you usually would have a chance to. The funniest kills ever were the ones you'd loot in mage bank or in ardy because you ko'd them while they were levering. People felt safe and when their escape route's were taken away they did what anyone would do. They teamed up so they felt safe and now the wilderness is filled with 30 man teams and it's just no fun anymore

[beastlyb9]

This is not a rant I use to pk with my old main at mage bank years ago where you never double teamed very often so I decided to try pking today got lured by a level 120 around the opposite side of god arena where 7-8 level 138's were waiting with ancient magics and then continued to korasi spec to to my death where i lost around 300k it was hilarious to see that if you go past edgeville now you are basically need a clan wars army pretty funny imo I wanted to see what the old pkers and new think of this as i found it more funny then anything because i don't pk often or consider myself good

 

Disclaimer: I apologise in advance if you have dyslexia or any other condition which prevents you from using full-stops, commas, or anything else. That said, I tried reading your paragraph out loud a couple times, and ran out of breath. That said....

 

This is not a rant. I used to pk with my old main at mage bank years ago where you never double teamed [/b]very often***[/b], so I decided to try pking today. I got lured by a level 120 around to the opposite side of the god arena where 7-8 level 138's were waiting with ancient magics and then continued to korasi spec me to to my death where i lost around 300k. It was hilarious to see that if you go past edgeville now you are basically need a clan wars army. Pretty funny imo. I wanted to see what the old pkers and new think of this as i found it more funny than anything because i don't pk often or consider myself good.

 

*** Wait what? you never..... very often. :???:

 

Second page, and no one else has done this? What happened to the tip.it I know.

 

Back on topic...

 

AllotA lot of new content has come out in the years since you used to PK, so the 'community' surrounding it has adapted. Part of the reason people run around in groups is safety in numbers; if you're running around the deeper levels of the wilderness alone like that, you should expect yourself to be seen as an easy target for these groups. If you're concerned about that sort of scenario occuring, I'd recommend finding some people you can trust to go into the wilderness with you. :)

 

Grammar wars go both ways :thumbup: Forums are here to share ideas about a topic quickly and effectively. As long as the idea gets across I don't think we should be worried about grammar all the time :shades:

 

OT I pked on my pure back in the "old days" and If you were caught with teles/praying/pjing you would be immediately kicked from your clan. Its not about "using all of your advantages" or "adapting to new k0 weapons." For me, its about fun and enjoying myself. I go and train my stats up (legally) and I get disappointed when people constantly pray or pray just when I pull out my spec weapon.

 

Someone earlier said that its a 50/50 chance of winning if you don't pray, however I see it as the opposite. When both people pray it makes it insanely hard/boring to kill someone while only hitting -200s. Its the same reason for lower level pures with 1 defense/20 def/45 or w.e. Its a lot funner to be hitting high numbers.

 

If both people don't pray then neither one has an advantage and its more based on skill.

 

EDIT: Most of this regards pure pking in edgeville/drags. Never had much experience with mains so I won't talk about them.