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Clans of the Past Reopening

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So recently Rune Raiders, a former top 10 clan, decided to reopen it's doors. However the reaction they are getting is rather mixed. Some players feel that reopening a clan with a lot of history could tarnish the clan's name and former image. However on the other hand, it gives the clan world another clan to fight and interact with - aswell as allowing some of the older clanners a chance to re-live a part of their own history.

 

So, I have some questions for you all to discuss:

 

  1. What are your views about clans who reopen under the same name - should they? Shouldn't they?
  2. How would you react if, in the future, your current clan closed but then reopened?
  3. Have you seen any examples of clans reopening and being successful? Or opening under a different name and being successful?


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It depends really. I suppose if they reopened under the same name with the same Leadership then it'll be fine considering it's pretty much the same clan. However, if members band together and create the clan without the previous leadership involved, it'll seem a bit insulting to the previous leadership. I mean, they closed it for a reason and if members reopen it without them it'll turn into one of those situations where the old clan is much different to what it is now. That would leave a lot of room for the name to be tarnished by new policies of the new leadership.

 

I'm not currently in a clan, but I suppose it depends on my status at the time. For example, if I'm already settled in a clan I wouldn't want to rejoin my old clan should it reopen. I suppose I've had this experience in the past with Shadow Elves pretty much reopening under the name Solace.

 

Yes, I have. Solace is a very successful clan right now running in the Top 5. When it first opened up, I had my doubts that it would even last a few months, never mind two years. As I said, I didn't join Solace because I was already settled in another clan, but I still give my props to them for being so successful after what happened. Right now they have a lot of members who are weren't previously Shadow Elves, but at the beginning it was dominated by members of that clan after it closed. I wouldn't be so far to call it a remake, but I guess in the literal sense you can consider it as such.


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1. They should if they want too, cant expect it to be EXACTLY the same as when they were open before due to changes in-game etc.

 

2. If my clan closed and reopened i would probably consider rejoining it and I would if many of my former clan mates did the same as well.

 

3. SE to Solace if im correct? TMRD reopened couple of months ago heard they are doing good too.


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A clan like Rune Raiders who have died for a long time will not succeed if they reform. Re-opened clans never do succeed. The majority of the members who were in the clan would have already been integrated within other clans and the likely hood of them re-opening would be low. Only the hardcore members and officials would join the re-opening but that'll probably only consist of 20-30 members. Gaining more members will be difficult so gl to Rune Raiders.

 

As for Solace, when Shadow Elves died, Solace pretty much re-opened a week later so the clan members who were in SE pretty much joined Solace instantly. Since SE were such a good and organised clan, they really had no problems in fights and gained reputation throughout the clan world which bought them non-exclan members. Once a remake/re-opened clan gains members elsewhere, they would succeed

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What are your views about clans who reopen under the same name - should they? Shouldn't they?

Depends. If it's the same leadership, same name is fine. I've always been for the new clan though as there's a reason it didn't work last time or just the simple fact that it won't be the same clan. So basically, in my opinon, it's all dependent on the situation.

 

How would you react if, in the future, your current clan closed but then reopened?

Being the founder of the clan, I'd advise against it but I wouldn't care too much.

 

Have you seen any examples of clans reopening and being successful? Or opening under a different name and being successful?

Many times. The clan I founded is based off a previous clan. And even then, that previous clan was successful when they reopened a few times. We were fortunate to have such a strong, loyal community and that's why it has worked for the community i'm involved in. This seems to be a common thread through "reborn" clans. Relating to the example popularly used in this topic, Shadow elves had a very strong community and it has overlapped into solace.


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Exer recently reopened as well.

 

What are your views about clans who reopen under the same name - should they? Shouldn't they?

It depends on the amount of people to start with, in other words: Is the old diehard core present again or not? In most cases I think it's a bad idea though, clan world has changed a lot.

 

How would you react if, in the future, your current clan closed but then reopened?

I probably would not rejoin. TRWF is a clan with a pretty big legacy, a remake or restart just would not be the same.

 

Have you seen any examples of clans reopening and being successful? Or opening under a different name and being successful?

Only one I can think of is RSD. I don't see Solace as Shadow Elves v2.


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What are your views about clans who reopen under the same name - should they? Shouldn't they?

I've been in a couple remakes of exer and honestly, if you have 20 or so people who want to reopen then go for it. We didn't care if we never made it to back to what exer was, it was more about the community than the fights.

 

How would you react if, in the future, your current clan closed but then reopened?

If TR were to close, hopefully I would quit scape so I wouldn't be tempted to rejoin when we did reopen.

 

Have you seen any examples of clans reopening and being successful? Or opening under a different name and being successful?

The first remakes of exer, Rsd, Rj was successful if for only a short amount of time.

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brb posting the same thing as everyone else has

 

If it's the leadership reopening, good. If it's some members, I'd advise against it.

I would probably join an RBH remake if it was us ranks reopening it.

Yes, I've also seen a lot fail.

 

Best of luck to RR and Exer, I'm glad to see some old school clans are coming back.


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Had no idea that RR reopened. I still remember my clan's (TU) war with them - gave them a dose of adrenaline and pushed them into the top 10.. It's nice to see old clans reopening but like others have said, I'd only be okay with it if it was the old leadership doing it, along with a considerable old member base.. otherwise, it's not the real RR and I think leaching off a clan name is disrespectful and uncool.


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I was in a non-warring clan (so reputation wasn't quite the same) That was started on another game back in 2001 and had some roots in runescape. It was incredibly proud of its old school ethos and having members who were amongst the highest levelled. It was generally accepted that someone lead this clan for 12 months and was then succeeded with the ex-clan leader often leaving having become majorly wealthy from being the clan leader and often being end game. It did well from 2001 - 2008 at which point a particularly greedy person became owner and ruined it for many forcing across his own agendas. By 2010 almost every single pre-2005 member had left and it was in tatters with a dirt reputation. I checked back a few days ago and a once great community is now as shattered as much of the rest of RS.

Basically, I think in this case this clan should of died for good in 2008 and its reopening ruined it - there are definitely problems with this especially when it is reopened by non-originals/people who were lowly in it when it was at its height.


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What are your views about clans who reopen under the same name - should they? Shouldn't they?

It depends if they have any of the same leadership. If they don't then they shouldn't be opening the clan under that name.

 

How would you react if, in the future, your current clan closed but then reopened?

Again, it would depend who reopened it.

 

Have you seen any examples of clans reopening and being successful? Or opening under a different name and being successful?

Not that I know of.


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I think RsD is the best example of a clan closing, reopening, and taking its old spot back.


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I can't think of a clan re-opening in any case as having succeeded. Most clans close for one reason or another and re-opening doesn't solve the original issue along with the fact that everyone has moved on.

 

If WG closed and then re-opened I probably wouldn't join, it would have closed for a reason.


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Didn't RR open earlier last year as a clan wars clan?


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What are your views about clans who reopen under the same name - should they? Shouldn't they?

If it's a few members getting back together who were once in the clan which closed, more power to 'em. However, of course hijacking a name by someone who was never a part of the original would be looked down upon. The fact of the matter is that no clan is 'the same as they once were', and there's no way for them to be like that ever again, even for clans that have not closed. People come, people go, nothing is ever just the way they were. If that's what you're looking for, to relive the good ol' days, when you join a reopen clan, then you are going to be disappointed no matter what.

 

How would you react if, in the future, your current clan closed but then reopened?

Gotta go back home.

 

Have you seen any examples of clans reopening and being successful? Or opening under a different name and being successful?

RsD and TMRD are the only ones that have done so successfully over the long term that I am aware of who have officially closed and made a big return, although SE/solace is pushing the boundary. I guess it depends on what your clan aims for. Is your sole purpose to be the best there ever was at PKRI/warring/P2p, or is it to be competitive and have fun in the game yet also provide a healthy long-term community, or is it "just get teh l00t"? 'Success' is subject to what the clan sets out to do. "Tarnishing the name/image" is hater talk for "I don't want you to come back/I want you to close". Simply go out, set some goals, and do your damnedest to achieve them.


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RDC tried to reopen aswell, but 2Mighty did way to much damage on them so its kinda impossible!


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RR has a nice memberlist right now, but they need to keep it up and overcome future problems as well.


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What are your views about clans who reopen under the same name - should they? Shouldn't they?

It depends on what defines the clan that keeps it the same - usually if it's the same leadership, it works.

 

How would you react if, in the future, your current clan closed but then reopened?

Technically it has, Descendant Guardians re-opened for the third time today. As for WG... we closed once for ~3 hours back in 2006 and half (~100) the members left. The current WG is a lot different compared to the 2006 WG. But the leadership remained the same, so it works I guess.

 

Have you seen any examples of clans reopening and being successful? Or opening under a different name and being successful?

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My opinions about reopening are mixed as well. It always depends on particular clan and circumstances, but I wish every reopening clan good luck.


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What are your views about clans who reopen under the same name - should they? Shouldn't they?

 

Once a clan closes, as far as I'm concerned, it has served its purpose and it shouldn't reopen whatsoever, whether it be under the same name or not. 99% of the time, the clan will never live up to its former glory and reopening taints the history of the clan itself.

 

How would you react if, in the future, your current clan closed but then reopened?

 

I would say, "Oh, that's cool," and then not rejoin due to my beliefs about reopening a clan (which are above).

 

Have you seen any examples of clans reopening and being successful? Or opening under a different name and being successful?

 

Yes. RuneScape Dinasty is the first (and for whatever reason, only) successful reopening that comes to mind. Although they did close long ago, they're still a remake regardless, and are currently, arguably, the best F2P PvP PKRI clan in the game.


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Wsih them best of luck.


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I don't see RR going far for now. Not enough old members re-joined, and some new faces that are known as ``clan hopers`` joined, which is bad. I don't think they will ever go back in the top 10, but that's only what I think, they can surprise me. The only clans that has been successful when it re-opened is probably RsD and Shadow Elves that is now Solace.


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Tbh, Being in Rune Raiders, i noticed no corrupted members. Lots of ex-RR's are comin back and the high ranks are filled in by the originals. Most of the clan hoppers here seem to enjoy it because no one seemed to go raging when we lost one of our wars. We may not go as far as the oldschool RR was, but the leaders are looking to make it the best community possible.

 

 

What are your views about clans who reopen under the same name - should they? Shouldn't they? They should only be opened if the high ranks decide to re-open it. Without the original high ranks, things will obviously be different.

How would you react if, in the future, your current clan closed but then reopened?Well my clan is the current subject so..ya :lol:

Have you seen any examples of clans reopening and being successful? Or opening under a different name and being successful?RSD is one of the highlighted re opened clans.


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What are your views about clans who reopen under the same name - should they? Shouldn't they? I think they should, as long as it's the original owner who created the Clan.

 

How would you react if, in the future, your current clan closed but then reopened? Depends if I was in a clan or not.

 

Have you seen any examples of clans reopening and being successful? Or opening under a different name and being successful? Solace (Shadow Elves)?


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* What are your views about clans who reopen under the same name - should they? Shouldn't they? I really think it depends on the clan and the situation. For instance, if you take Divine Kings, they reopen every time Derek gets interested in RS and the close whenever the members realize he is leading their clan in the wrong direction or derek gets tired of runescape. Thats the point when a clan shouldn't reopen. If a clan just closes because they hit a slump or leaders quit and dont pass it off then sure why not reopen. Granted I think that you have to wait until the correct time to reopen to be successful.

 

* How would you react if, in the future, your current clan closed but then reopened? It's happened before and I rejoined at that point, now I would support them even if I disagree with their reopening as I still feel connections to that clan and want it to be successful

 

* Have you seen any examples of clans reopening and being successful? Or opening under a different name and being successful? RoT and TT have both reopened and been very successful, so it is very possible


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