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  1. 1. Your race is...

    • Caucasian
      152
    • African (incl. black westerners)
      4
    • Arab
      1
    • Persian
      0
    • Turkic
      0
    • East Asian peoples (Chinese et al)
      9
    • Indigenous American
      0
    • Indian
      3
    • Indigenous Australasian
      0
    • Other
      4
    • Mixed
      7
  2. 2. Your religious beliefs are...

    • Christianity
      32
    • Islam
      0
    • Judaism
      2
    • Buddhism
      1
    • Taoism
      0
    • Hinduism
      1
    • Sikhism
      1
    • Zoroastrianism
      0
    • Caodaiism
      0
    • Jainism
      0
    • Shintoism
      0
    • Primal Indigenous
      0
    • African Traditional
      0
    • Bahá'í Faith
      0
    • Neo-Paganism
      1
    • Rastafarianism
      1
    • Scientology
      1
    • Chinese folk religion
      0
    • Atheism
      103
    • Other
      37
  3. 3. Your sexual preference is

    • Heterosexuality
      134
    • Homosexuality (g & l)
      16
    • Bisexuality
      17
    • Asexuality
      8
    • Confused
      5


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Caucasian, heterosexual, and agnostic (other in this case).

 

The chart is a nice idea. Although the votes aren't surprising, you tend to figure out where people stand pretty quickly around here.

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I appreciate the chart. Learned something new today. :)

What, that most people on the internet are white atheists? I think that's already implied.


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A pie chart for this thread... hmm.

 

1) Draw three circles on MSPaint;

2) Use bucket tool on all of them;

3) Use eraser on a quarter of the second circle.

 

Job done.

 

TBH all this thread has shown is that, for all the decades of psychological research into what makes us 'unique' and 'different', we have many more similarities with each other than we do differences, and what differences we do have (religion) are more or less down to personal choice anyway.

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A pie chart for this thread... hmm.

 

1) Draw three circles on MSPaint;

2) Use bucket tool on all of them;

3) Use eraser on a quarter of the second circle.

 

Job done.

 

TBH all this thread has shown is that, for all the decades of psychological research into what makes us 'unique' and 'different', we have many more similarities with each other than we do differences, and what differences we do have (religion) are more or less down to personal choice anyway.

 

True dat.

 

At the end of the day, so many academic disciplines were created in the 20th century that most of them were a pile of tosh. Research into uniqueness sounds like a waste of time, just like those scientists that make blue strawberries.

 

Perhaps this census could be the beginning of the end for psychological research as a whole... :ohnoes:



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TBH all this thread has shown is that, for all the decades of psychological research into what makes us 'unique' and 'different', we have many more similarities with each other than we do differences, and what differences we do have (religion) are more or less down to personal choice anyway.

The reality is that nobody is truly unique. Even the phrase "one in a million" implies there are several thousand of you running around this speck of dust.


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125 votes is still an incredibly narrow cross section of Tip.It users <_<



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132 grrr :angry:



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Stop with the bumps or it gets locked. If people want to comment, they can do so - they don't need help.


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It's just the Catholics and some of those American ones that get all fanatical about it.

 

It's Catholic teaching that being homosexual isn't wrong, but acting on it is. This is a drastic change from where it was 100-125 years ago where they didn't even believe it existed.

 

I'm not saying that the teaching is right, because I believe that it's not. Just saying.


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It's just the Catholics and some of those American ones that get all fanatical about it.

 

It's Catholic teaching that being homosexual isn't wrong, but acting on it is. This is a drastic change from where it was 100-125 years ago where they didn't even believe it existed.

 

I'm not saying that the teaching is right, because I believe that it's not. Just saying.

 

Well I would think that the Catholic church would have to become a bit more progressive as gayness is becoming more accepted in society.


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It's just the Catholics and some of those American ones that get all fanatical about it.

 

It's Catholic teaching that being homosexual isn't wrong, but acting on it is. This is a drastic change from where it was 100-125 years ago where they didn't even believe it existed.

 

I'm not saying that the teaching is right, because I believe that it's not. Just saying.

 

Well I would think that the Catholic church would have to become a bit more progressive as gayness is becoming more accepted in society.

The church has never been populist - why would they change now?

 

They've always been pro-life and abortion has been widely accepted for the past fifty years - no signs of change there.


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The church has never been populist - why would they change now?

 

They've always been pro-life and abortion has been widely accepted for the past fifty years - no signs of change there.

 

The church didn't need to be populist for the most part of its history, because it had people by a societal and moral stranglehold. The church used to be an incredibly pervasive and, for parts of its history, dangerous organisation, be it the Catholic church or whatever else. The Spanish Inquistion, the Crusades, and the Salem witch trials give examples of the power of the church across continents over time. If you control people's minds, lives and beliefs, what need is there for populism? Today, with this influence eroding, populism is becoming increasingly necessary as a way of preserving the church. That's why the church will need to change.

 

Similarly, in those fifty years, more and more senior church figures - though probably not in the USA, where they're ultra right-wing - are reconsidering the church stance on such issues as homosexuality and abortion. The Anglican church is just one notable example.



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The church has never been populist - why would they change now?

 

They've always been pro-life and abortion has been widely accepted for the past fifty years - no signs of change there.

 

The church didn't need to be populist for the most part of its history, because it had people by a societal and moral stranglehold. The church used to be an incredibly pervasive and, for parts of its history, dangerous organisation, be it the Catholic church or whatever else. The Spanish Inquistion, the Crusades, and the Salem witch trials give examples of the power of the church across continents over time. If you control people's minds, lives and beliefs, what need is there for populism? Today, with this influence eroding, populism is becoming increasingly necessary as a way of preserving the church. That's why the church will need to change.

 

Similarly, in those fifty years, more and more senior church figures - though probably not in the USA, where they're ultra right-wing - are reconsidering the church stance on such issues as homosexuality and abortion. The Anglican church is just one notable example.

 

I don't even know where to begin with this post.....

 

I'm talking about the catholic church. I can practically guarantee there will be NO reversal of catholic moral teaching in my lifetime in regards to these issues.


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Not at all surprised by the statistic from the poll so far; most users are white, hetrosexual and christian/atheist. Although the incidence of homosexuality is higher than most average population. :razz:

 

Perhaps it might be informative to add a gender poll as well?


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The church has never been populist - why would they change now?

 

They've always been pro-life and abortion has been widely accepted for the past fifty years - no signs of change there.

 

The church didn't need to be populist for the most part of its history, because it had people by a societal and moral stranglehold. The church used to be an incredibly pervasive and, for parts of its history, dangerous organisation, be it the Catholic church or whatever else. The Spanish Inquistion, the Crusades, and the Salem witch trials give examples of the power of the church across continents over time. If you control people's minds, lives and beliefs, what need is there for populism? Today, with this influence eroding, populism is becoming increasingly necessary as a way of preserving the church. That's why the church will need to change.

 

Similarly, in those fifty years, more and more senior church figures - though probably not in the USA, where they're ultra right-wing - are reconsidering the church stance on such issues as homosexuality and abortion. The Anglican church is just one notable example.

 

I don't even know where to begin with this post.....

 

I'm talking about the catholic church. I can practically guarantee there will be NO reversal of catholic moral teaching in my lifetime in regards to these issues.

There are 23 known Crusades, called for by the pope, with the main aim being to gain control of the Holy Land for Christianity.


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Not at all surprised by the statistic from the poll so far; most users are white, hetrosexual and christian/atheist. Although the incidence of homosexuality is higher than most average population. :razz:

 

Perhaps it might be informative to add a gender poll as well?

I don't think a female has spoken in the sixteen posts made on this page thus far. Does this answer your question sufficiently?

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C-c-c-combo breaker? :P

 

But yeah, it's true that Women are a clear minority on TIF. We certainly don't need a poll for that.


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The church has never been populist - why would they change now?

 

They've always been pro-life and abortion has been widely accepted for the past fifty years - no signs of change there.

 

The church didn't need to be populist for the most part of its history, because it had people by a societal and moral stranglehold. The church used to be an incredibly pervasive and, for parts of its history, dangerous organisation, be it the Catholic church or whatever else. The Spanish Inquistion, the Crusades, and the Salem witch trials give examples of the power of the church across continents over time. If you control people's minds, lives and beliefs, what need is there for populism? Today, with this influence eroding, populism is becoming increasingly necessary as a way of preserving the church. That's why the church will need to change.

 

Similarly, in those fifty years, more and more senior church figures - though probably not in the USA, where they're ultra right-wing - are reconsidering the church stance on such issues as homosexuality and abortion. The Anglican church is just one notable example.

 

I don't even know where to begin with this post.....

 

I'm talking about the catholic church. I can practically guarantee there will be NO reversal of catholic moral teaching in my lifetime in regards to these issues.

There are 23 known Crusades, called for by the pope, with the main aim being to gain control of the Holy Land for Christianity.

 

Point being?


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C-c-c-combo breaker? :P

 

But yeah, it's true that Women are a clear minority on TIF. We certainly don't need a poll for that.

 

Yeah but I want to know how many of us there are. We need to FIGHT THE POWER! :roll:

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1:642 is my guess


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The church has never been populist - why would they change now?

 

They've always been pro-life and abortion has been widely accepted for the past fifty years - no signs of change there.

 

The church didn't need to be populist for the most part of its history, because it had people by a societal and moral stranglehold. The church used to be an incredibly pervasive and, for parts of its history, dangerous organisation, be it the Catholic church or whatever else. The Spanish Inquistion, the Crusades, and the Salem witch trials give examples of the power of the church across continents over time. If you control people's minds, lives and beliefs, what need is there for populism? Today, with this influence eroding, populism is becoming increasingly necessary as a way of preserving the church. That's why the church will need to change.

 

Similarly, in those fifty years, more and more senior church figures - though probably not in the USA, where they're ultra right-wing - are reconsidering the church stance on such issues as homosexuality and abortion. The Anglican church is just one notable example.

 

I don't even know where to begin with this post.....

 

I'm talking about the catholic church. I can practically guarantee there will be NO reversal of catholic moral teaching in my lifetime in regards to these issues.

There are 23 known Crusades, called for by the pope, with the main aim being to gain control of the Holy Land for Christianity.

 

Point being?

 

The point being that the Catholic Church was a powerhouse in Europe for well over a millennia. The Church created the populace in their image; they had no need to be populist.

 

These days, with the church's influence massively reduced, populism is going to be necessary to ensure it remains a relevant organisation. I do not think the church is evil (though it has a very corrupt history - just look at Popes Alexander VI and Julius II and you'll see a shining example), and it does many good things, but if its teachings are out of touch with the status quo, it's a problem for it and its following because it used to create the status quo.

 

Sooner or later, Catholic teaching will change. In our lifetime, maybe not, but it only takes one or two reformist Popes to make these changes. The church is already in steep decline in Europe, and other countries will follow sooner or later unless the church adopts a more populist approach.



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The point being that the Catholic Church was a powerhouse in Europe for well over a millennia. The Church created the populace in their image; they had no need to be populist.

 

These days, with the church's influence massively reduced, populism is going to be necessary to ensure it remains a relevant organisation. I do not think the church is evil (though it has a very corrupt history - just look at Popes Alexander VI and Julius II and you'll see a shining example), and it does many good things, but if its teachings are out of touch with the status quo, it's a problem for it and its following because it used to create the status quo.

 

Sooner or later, Catholic teaching will change. In our lifetime, maybe not, but it only takes one or two reformist Popes to make these changes. The church is already in steep decline in Europe, and other countries will follow sooner or later unless the church adopts a more populist approach.

 

I'm well aware that they were a powerhouse and still are to some extent.

 

The fact that you actually expect the church to change their teaching on social issues only serves to show you know nothing about the church at all. It seems unfathomable to so many atheists and non-religious to think that maybe the church genuinely thinks something is immoral and isn't just creating "laws" to "control people". If the church actually believes what it preaches (which i firmly believe it does) then it cannot change its teachings to appeal to the general populace, and it won't.

 

The day the catholic church changes their stance on social issues is the day I finally hop off the fence and become an atheist.


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The Catholic Church has changed its' views before; indeed the doctrine of Papal Infallibility is only a recent concept, as defined by the first Vatican Council in 1870 and caused a massive uproar at the time.


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Papal infallibility is not an essential moral teaching, nor was it a "recent concept". It was generally accepted up until that point and only officially sanctioned at that time.


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The point being that the Catholic Church was a powerhouse in Europe for well over a millennia. The Church created the populace in their image; they had no need to be populist.

 

These days, with the church's influence massively reduced, populism is going to be necessary to ensure it remains a relevant organisation. I do not think the church is evil (though it has a very corrupt history - just look at Popes Alexander VI and Julius II and you'll see a shining example), and it does many good things, but if its teachings are out of touch with the status quo, it's a problem for it and its following because it used to create the status quo.

 

Sooner or later, Catholic teaching will change. In our lifetime, maybe not, but it only takes one or two reformist Popes to make these changes. The church is already in steep decline in Europe, and other countries will follow sooner or later unless the church adopts a more populist approach.

 

I'm well aware that they were a powerhouse and still are to some extent.

 

The fact that you actually expect the church to change their teaching on social issues only serves to show you know nothing about the church at all. It seems unfathomable to so many atheists and non-religious to think that maybe the church genuinely thinks something is immoral and isn't just creating "laws" to "control people". If the church actually believes what it preaches (which i firmly believe it does) then it cannot change its teachings to appeal to the general populace, and it won't.

 

The day the catholic church changes their stance on social issues is the day I finally hop off the fence and become an atheist.

 

The Catholic Church has spent its entire history breaking its own teachings; as such, I don't really think them changing their official stance should be an issue to anyone that realises this.

 

E.g.:

 

"You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name."

-Yet the Spanish Inquisition was a perfect example of this. It's essentially the European equivalent of the Salem witch trials, except on a far, far larger scale over 200+ years. Similarly, the Crusades also broke this commandment.

 

"You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."

-Catholic places of worship are typically filled with statues and other such examples of idolatry which, though beautiful, do technically break this commandment.

 

"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour."

-Spanish Inquisition used to force people to do this.

 

"You shall not steal."

-Catholic Church spent centuries doing this to the people of Europe, in the form of tithes and so on.

 

"You shall not murder."

-Many, many examples of this by the Catholic Church; Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, and most importantly, Pope Alexander VI. Please look this man up, he was absolute scum - a murdering, warmongering, nepotistic and power hungry man with no moral fibre whatsoever. Many Popes throughout the Middle Ages and Early Modern periods displayed similar traits.

 

PS: Interesting to assume that, because I am not a fan of the Catholic Church as an institution, you assume I am non-religious. I am in fact the one Buddhist in the census.



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