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Recently the number of "subscribers" has apparently soared. I think I know why:

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Why look at the last pages of hiscores? Check page 2 and 3 of hunter hiscores. More bots than players... BOTS GETTING CLOSE TO 200M AND JAGEX LETS THEM! D:


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http://open.tip.it/high-score-stats

Horrifying, to say the least.

Is there any way to see beyond 1 month? I would love to see a graph from the nuke until now and then after the next nuke.

 

In December it was around 600k people on the hiscores, but I'd also like for the graph to go back more.

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I recall 540k after the initial update, or maybe it was 525k...


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Actually took a stroll around f2p today while doing easter event - hilarious number of bots and but sad that nobody even care about bots anymore - even with the right click report option. some sights

-lvl 100s along with a train of lvl 3 s botting coal at mining guild

-chicken bot farms

-oh willows these hilarious trees that only bots chop now

-spam bots at ge selling gold...still

-no one giving a damn about bots


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hilarious number of bots and but sad that nobody even care about bots anymore

 

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-no one giving a damn about bots

 

What's hilarious is making the ridiculous assumption that no one cares about them. If anything there's overwhelming evidence to the contrary to this, if you'd bother to remove to hate-blinders to look. Don't short-sell the community just because you hate the company behind the game.


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Actually took a stroll around f2p today while doing easter event - hilarious number of bots and but sad that nobody even care about bots anymore - even with the right click report option. some sights

-lvl 100s along with a train of lvl 3 s botting coal at mining guild

-chicken bot farms

-oh willows these hilarious trees that only bots chop now

-spam bots at ge selling gold...still

-no one giving a damn about bots

 

didnt you quit a year ago and still post every update about how shitty rs is now? If im not confusing you with someone else

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Actually took a stroll around f2p today while doing easter event - hilarious number of bots and but sad that nobody even care about bots anymore - even with the right click report option. some sights

-lvl 100s along with a train of lvl 3 s botting coal at mining guild

-chicken bot farms

-oh willows these hilarious trees that only bots chop now

-spam bots at ge selling gold...still

-no one giving a damn about bots

didnt you quit a year ago and still post every update about how shitty rs is now? If im not confusing you with someone else

Nope, that's him. Funny how he bashes the bad community, but is himself refusing to leave it, or even make it better.

 

@pal2002

People care about bots, and do what they can to get rid of them. The problem is that Jagex's system is set up to minimize false positives, which gives rise to a lot of bots slipping through the cracks. I understand this, even though I know it means more bots in RS. I personally spend over half an hour a day reporting bots. That may not seem like much, but that can number well into the hundreds. That's aside from the countless spambots I mute sitting at the GE while doing other things like studying. I know I'm not studying efficiently when I am logged on RS as well, but I do it for the community. So don't you dare say that no one cares.

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Actually took a stroll around f2p today while doing easter event - hilarious number of bots and but sad that nobody even care about bots anymore - even with the right click report option. some sights

-lvl 100s along with a train of lvl 3 s botting coal at mining guild

-chicken bot farms

-oh willows these hilarious trees that only bots chop now

-spam bots at ge selling gold...still

-no one giving a damn about bots

 

I still chop willows!

 

On a more serious note, I do still care about the botting issue. Despite it being utterly pointless I report all of the spammers I see, and the ones that send me private messages. One time I went to every free world and reported all of them at the Grand Exchange.

 

Why is it pointless? Because even if Jagex trusts my opinion (which ought to be decent considering my track record by now), someone has to review the report and rubberstamp it. And by the time that happens, most likely a pmod will have muted the bot or submitted a higher-priority report anyway.

 

But I never stopped trying.


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I feel like "It's not within the spirit of the game" is no longer a valid argument. The more appropriate argument would be "It's not within the spirit of the game AND Jagex can not profit from it"...:See SoF


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Nothing Jagex can do....they can patch things and make it bot free for the first 2-3 weeks then it goes back to normal.


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I don't believe that for a second and never will, especially considering how stupidly easy is it to find hoardes of bots around the game these days. Jagex can always do something but they'd much prefer to do nothing at all these days.

In fact, I can't even remember the last time I've seen any banning (even temp) at all for months now.


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I don't believe that for a second and never will, especially considering how stupidly easy is it to find hoardes of bots around the game these days.

You play again?

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@Pal: In order to substantiate the claim that Jagex has the ability to destroy/remove bots you need to show a method. Just because you wish something to be so does not make it possible. I believe there is no permanent bot solution that doesn't also catch players, because fundamentally a bot *could* be written which acts enough like a player that the detection methods would result in false positives.

 

I do believe there are ways Jagex can make bot programming more difficult, but this doesn't mean they can "win the war." Banning is not effective because the majority of bots are not run on "real" characters, thus banning results in a new bot created faster than the moderators could ban them.


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Simple solution from me- how about actually banning some botters ffs.

 

Don't give me the botters can just make new acct crap now...most botters these days are actually not on throwaways and p2p. P2p bots cost money. You ban them fast enough, and the botters would literally be losing membership money to pay a banned bot.

 

There are also probably hundreds to thousands better thought out suggestions given in these past 40 pages and littered all around rsof. But is jagex gonna implement any? I have no hope that jagex even give a crap.


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I'd like to say the reason bots are a huge problem is because Jagex* attempted to disallow bots to log in and follow a desired task was to pretty much to scan the computer while the games loads so the person can log in. But people and get a computer protection, that will not allow a scan to happen. Jagex* scan to see if their is a program up that would effect the player's gaming (helped or unassisted) it does nothing but that to see if a program while runescape* is up will control a bot. Does not go through any computer files and takes data it's pure purpose is to just scan to find the Bot program. Hopes that helps some people understand what the (bot nuke) was suppose to be.


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I'd like to say the reason bots are a huge problem is because Jagex* attempted to disallow bots to log in and follow a desired task was to pretty much to scan the computer while the games loads so the person can log in. But people and get a computer protection, that will not allow a scan to happen. Jagex* scan to see if their is a program up that would effect the player's gaming (helped or unassisted) it does nothing but that to see if a program while runescape* is up will control a bot. Does not go through any computer files and takes data it's pure purpose is to just scan to find the Bot program. Hopes that helps some people understand what the (bot nuke) was suppose to be.

 

Even if Jagex's client could scan running processes (which it doesn't), running your JVM in a sandbox would isolate it from the rest of your machine. It would be pretty easy to circumvent.


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There are also probably hundreds to thousands better thought out suggestions given in these past 40 pages and littered all around rsof. But is jagex gonna implement any? I have no hope that jagex even give a crap.

So they did the bot nuke for giggles?


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There are also probably hundreds to thousands better thought out suggestions given in these past 40 pages and littered all around rsof. But is jagex gonna implement any? I have no hope that jagex even give a crap.

So they did the bot nuke for giggles?

For PR really - by nuke you'd imagine they would have banned all the known botters - but in fact they banned almost no one.

I think all they wanted was the stop the bots (and their entire forum and every other rs forum filling up with bot complaints) for a little while. They have no intention of actually stopping cheaters in their tracks, they'd lose money. And money is more important to Jagex than being an ethical company these days.


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There are also probably hundreds to thousands better thought out suggestions given in these past 40 pages and littered all around rsof. But is jagex gonna implement any? I have no hope that jagex even give a crap.

So they did the bot nuke for giggles?

For PR really - by nuke you'd imagine they would have banned all the known botters - but in fact they banned almost no one.

I think all they wanted was the stop the bots (and their entire forum and every other rs forum filling up with bot complaints) for a little while. They have no intention of actually stopping cheaters in their tracks, they'd lose money. And money is more important to Jagex than being an ethical company these days.

 

Considering a big part of those bots are goldfarming bots anyway, bans are mostly useless. Technical changes work far better. And they did lose a lot of bot customers through the bot nuke, but they still did it. Optimus will also be around in a few weeks. The simple fact is that Jagex has no way of securely eradicating all botters. If they had, they would, I'm sure of it.

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Gold costs what? 60c a million now? That means you need 10million gold to get 6 dollars. Also keep in mind that the botters could perform charge backs if they are banned within the timeframe. They might not get away with it, but it would be mud in the legal system and cost Jagex money to fight it.

 

There are bots in P2P, but there are also plenty of bots in F2P also.

 

You seem to think that it would be "easy" to pay someone to sit in game at areas and just ban botters. First of all, you don't want false positives. Second of all that job would be horrendously boring. How long before they get tired and make mistakes. How much do you have to pay them? I don't know that many people who would want to make a living sitting in an online game clicking the ban hammer all day.


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Come on now. It's not that hard to identify spambots at the Grand Exchange, and getting rid of those would be a first step. And people do worse jobs than sit around and ban people.


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Here is an idea: Hire chinese gold farmer to sit around and ban gold farmers...The problem will eventually get rid of itself.

 

(Kids, that's not how big business works)...


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Bots are definitely a real pain in the...well, you know. At any rate, There are many tedious jobs in the world. Many of which are deal with tasks such as asssembly line manufacturing and the like. I'm sure that "bot-hunting" would not be too overly difficult to deal with since there are so many different types. Having several people assigned to identify the bot programs and then a few others that use that information to find the bots in the different worlds would still keep things interesting. Especially if they rotate who do the reserch and who does the thumping.

 

I'm no expect on macros by any means. My programming skills are ancient (over 20 years ago *cough*). Never really did anything with macros outside of an excel spreadsheet. That being said, I'm sure that there must be ways to change things in the programming of Runescape that can be done behind the scenes to aid in isolating bots. I have confidence in Jagex's ability to eliminate bots. I have less confidence in their desire to actually do it.

 

I go to what many others have said..."MONEY". It's all about the cost. The cost for operations is high. Especially on the technical side. Programmers and the such are a high demand career field. Even more so if you have hacker-like abilities. It's not publicized that way, but the best people to hire to do battle with hackers and program manipulators are the very people who do it. Sounds ironic, but it's the truth. Then there is the consideration of additional costs to either hire additional personnel or reduced effectiveness of personnel in other areas who would have to take a percentage of their time to dedicate to the area of bot control. I'm sure Jagex has done several cost analysis studies to determine whether any of these options or others are worth the effort. They may be better off doing what they did not that long ago and collect known data that is provided by the public and then make a mass sweep of bots. It would last for a short time while new bot programs are designed and implemented, but at least it would show a symbolic gesture to the users of the game that Jagex is at least watching with some limited interest what is happening with the game.

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Bots are definitely a real pain in the...well, you know. At any rate, There are many tedious jobs in the world. Many of which are deal with tasks such as asssembly line manufacturing and the like. I'm sure that "bot-hunting" would not be too overly difficult to deal with since there are so many different types. Having several people assigned to identify the bot programs and then a few others that use that information to find the bots in the different worlds would still keep things interesting. Especially if they rotate who do the reserch and who does the thumping.

 

I'm no expect on macros by any means. My programming skills are ancient (over 20 years ago *cough*). Never really did anything with macros outside of an excel spreadsheet. That being said, I'm sure that there must be ways to change things in the programming of Runescape that can be done behind the scenes to aid in isolating bots. I have confidence in Jagex's ability to eliminate bots. I have less confidence in their desire to actually do it.

 

I go to what many others have said..."MONEY". It's all about the cost. The cost for operations is high. Especially on the technical side. Programmers and the such are a high demand career field. Even more so if you have hacker-like abilities. It's not publicized that way, but the best people to hire to do battle with hackers and program manipulators are the very people who do it. Sounds ironic, but it's the truth. Then there is the consideration of additional costs to either hire additional personnel or reduced effectiveness of personnel in other areas who would have to take a percentage of their time to dedicate to the area of bot control. I'm sure Jagex has done several cost analysis studies to determine whether any of these options or others are worth the effort. They may be better off doing what they did not that long ago and collect known data that is provided by the public and then make a mass sweep of bots. It would last for a short time while new bot programs are designed and implemented, but at least it would show a symbolic gesture to the users of the game that Jagex is at least watching with some limited interest what is happening with the game.

 

1. Banning bots is inefficient. Even if they paid people to ban them, it wouldn't make much of a dent, and it's not cost effective.

2. Comparing excel macro's to the bots of today is like comparing a hatchet to a chainsaw. These bots interface directly with the client.

3. Programmers are not sought after for their "hacker-like" abilities, but rather their ability to...program. I was hired as software/hardware engineer because A) I received good grades in college from a prestigious university with a bachelors in computer engineering...B) I am a hard worker, I show up to work on time, and I get shit done in a pretty efficient/timely manner...C) See other skills that land you a job (organizational skills, communication skills, ability to work on a team...etc.)

 

Jagex's bot nuke was fixed by Jacmob within a month, and I have heard that another botting site has recently fixed it and is up and running. I'm sure "optimus" is real and will once again break the bots for who knows how long, but the fact is, the only way(that has been effective so far) to break the bots is to make creative changes to the client that require a complete overhaul of the bot interfaces.

 

The bigger fact of the matter is that runescape is a game...a game aimed at 13-20 year olds...and in that genre, you will have people finding ways to cheat. I'm not saying that Jagex should lie down and take it, but if you have a strong hatred for bots, the sooner you understand that their existence is inevitable, the better off you'll be.


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