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One of the most frustrating things for me is the constant stream of footage and information the media is pumping out on a twenty four hour scale. It is probably one of the key reasons there have been copycat riots in other parts of the UK other than London and I find it very hypocritical of institutions like the BBC berating politicians for not doing enough and having caused the problem by the cuts they've made when in reality the media has probably done the most to aggravate the situation.

 

So people went out and started rioting just because they saw others do it on tv? That would be just...stupid...

 

People are... Stupid

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Let me clarify my position. (for everyone discussing with me)

 

I realize it's unethical.

 

I realize it's impractical.

 

I realize it won't and shouldn't ever happen.

 

But I also realize it would be a hell of a lot more effective than running away holding a plastic shield in front of your face.

No, see, that's why you're wrong. Holding a plastic shield doesn't directly make the problem any worse. Murdering people makes the problem a hundred times worse every time you do it.

 

a) it gives them a perfectly legitimate justification

b) it makes people who would have otherwise stayed at home join the rioting

c) it makes people who might have just run around yelling and shoving or stealing want to directly attack the police

d) potentially killing innocent people would make the rioting even worse

 

your post is the equivalent of "why do we spend time fighting in iraq? we should just nuke them."

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No, I'm saying that if these riots are stopped with extreme violence on the part of the police, the riots will not end. They might stop for a day or two, but not for good. Which is why I said it would create long-term dissent among the populace.

 

I disagree.

 

If people are made well aware that actions have consequences, there is nothing they can do BUT stop.

 

That's like saying because they put people in jail for looting the riots will continue and breed long term dissent.

No, it's not like saying that. Putting someone in jail is a logical decision for rioting and looting and people that riot and loot are aware of that. The public is aware of this as well. Shooting rioters and looters is not logical nor is it effective. Even if the rioters and looters are in the wrong, that is not the way the populace will interpret it. They will see it as police shooting citizens and things will get worse.

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I live in Kingston, regularly travel to Clapham, and my other house is near Croydon. Basically, it's actually quite scary.

 

I know most of the attacks are aimed at businesses, but some criminals have entered peoples homes.

 

Really hoping that this isn't the case, especially since I'm heading to Clapham on Friday night.

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Matt: You want that eh? You want everything good for you. You want everything that's--falls off garbage can

Camera guy: Whoa, haha, are you okay dude?

Matt: You want anything funny that happens, don't you?

Camera guy: still laughing

Matt: You want the funny shit that happens here and there, you think it comes out of your [bleep]ing [wagon] pushes garbage can down, don't you? You think it's funny? It comes out of here! running towards Camera guy

Camera guy: runs away still laughing

Matt: You think the funny comes out of your mother[bleep]ing creativity? Comes out of Satan, mother[bleep]er! nn--ngh! pushes Camera guy down

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One of the most frustrating things for me is the constant stream of footage and information the media is pumping out on a twenty four hour scale. It is probably one of the key reasons there have been copycat riots in other parts of the UK other than London and I find it very hypocritical of institutions like the BBC berating politicians for not doing enough and having caused the problem by the cuts they've made when in reality the media has probably done the most to aggravate the situation.

I actually find this to be true. If the riots hadn't been beamed into the media 24/7 for the last three days until they seem almost glamourised, do you think it'd be spreading? It's putting ideas in people's heads. Who can't think 'I could go for a new x, if they can do it without police stopping them (which is pretty much all the news has been saying. looters going unpunished, not enough police) then there are people out there immoral and desperate enough. I don't BLAME the media but they're not helping!

 

Small pockets of trouble in Salford & Manchester, I really hope it doesn't kick off into a major riot and, if it does, they stay the [bleep] away from my Primark!

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One of the most frustrating things for me is the constant stream of footage and information the media is pumping out on a twenty four hour scale. It is probably one of the key reasons there have been copycat riots in other parts of the UK other than London and I find it very hypocritical of institutions like the BBC berating politicians for not doing enough and having caused the problem by the cuts they've made when in reality the media has probably done the most to aggravate the situation.

I actually find this to be true. If the riots hadn't been beamed into the media 24/7 for the last three days until they seem almost glamourised, do you think it'd be spreading? It's putting ideas in people's heads. Who can't think 'I could go for a new x, if they can do it without police stopping them (which is pretty much all the news has been saying. looters going unpunished, not enough police) then there are people out there immoral and desperate enough. I don't BLAME the media but they're not helping!

 

Small pockets of trouble in Salford & Manchester, I really hope it doesn't kick off into a major riot and, if it does, they stay the [bleep] away from my Primark!

 

Primark often looks like theres been a riot in there anyways. ;)

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One of the most frustrating things for me is the constant stream of footage and information the media is pumping out on a twenty four hour scale. It is probably one of the key reasons there have been copycat riots in other parts of the UK other than London and I find it very hypocritical of institutions like the BBC berating politicians for not doing enough and having caused the problem by the cuts they've made when in reality the media has probably done the most to aggravate the situation.

I actually find this to be true. If the riots hadn't been beamed into the media 24/7 for the last three days until they seem almost glamourised, do you think it'd be spreading? It's putting ideas in people's heads. Who can't think 'I could go for a new x, if they can do it without police stopping them (which is pretty much all the news has been saying. looters going unpunished, not enough police) then there are people out there immoral and desperate enough. I don't BLAME the media but they're not helping!

 

Small pockets of trouble in Salford & Manchester, I really hope it doesn't kick off into a major riot and, if it does, they stay the [bleep] away from my Primark!

 

Primark often looks like theres been a riot in there anyways. ;)

Haha, very very true.

 

Seriously though, Manchester city centre is a great place and all I can think is of how much vulnerable glass there is in the Arndale alone. I would be furious if this spreads to Manchester properly.

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Saw this on Drudge.

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following this on twitter and the bbc

 

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that was not long ago at the arndale apparently

 

and a fair bit of trouble going on in salford as well apparently, i'm not happy -.-

 

1844: The Central Housing Office in Salford, Greater Manchester, is on fire. Fire crews are said to be at the scene.

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It's ridiculous. Reddit had a really good topic on it last night, loads of first hand accounts from various redditors in different parts of London. It's going to be interesting to see how things recover in the places that have had the worst of the rioting. Smashing up your local shops and businesses seems to me like shooting yourself in the foot, especially when this dies down and your already deprived area looks more like something from Fallout than a local high street.

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The solution I said to my Gf last night was to exchange all the rioters with asylum seekers. We get people into the country who actually need to be here and get rid of pure scum. I'm ashamed of some people in this country, and if I personally knew anybody who was involved in this rioting I would physically harm them.

 

I agree with Rainy's post a little back where he says the police need to have more firearms and powers such as water cannons and rubber bullets. This is one of the times that human rights need bending. Rioters who have a purpose deserve human rights, rioters who have no purpose lose a majority of their human rights in my view.

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The people who have done this are just stupid... Loads of them are like the students that rioted months back - "We're not getting what we want so we're gona break all your stuff and our stuff too then complain we've ruined our chances of being listened to and that our stuff is broken." >.>

 

Least the riots aren't in Hereford...

 

Hopefully everything gets back to normal soon... Also is it me, or has anyone else noticed the complete lack of common sense these people have displayed - "Alright, I'm gona loot some crap... Then, THEN! I'm gona post a picture of me on Facebook/Twitter with all my free new stuff, promoting rioting and having my name on full view to anyone" =D> What complete and utter stupidity from the human race...

 

 

TBH the ONLY reason that people should be rioting like this is if Voldemort is back...

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The people who have done this are just stupid... Loads of them are like the students that rioted months back - "We're not getting what we want so we're gona break all your stuff and our stuff too then complain we've ruined our chances of being listened to and that our stuff is broken." >.>

That couldn't be further from the truth. The students rioting had at least a reason, I was among the peaceful protesters but the rioting was done for a REASON. That reason maybe couldn't justify violence, but it wasn't a bad one. Rioters now are ONLY RIOTING FOR MONEY, FUN AND CHAOS. They're not students, they're underclass teenage thugs who have no worth in this society whatsoever. I don't want them rehabilitated, I want them arrested and taught the word of the law. And I'm a liberal.

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The people who have done this are just stupid... Loads of them are like the students that rioted months back - "We're not getting what we want so we're gona break all your stuff and our stuff too then complain we've ruined our chances of being listened to and that our stuff is broken." >.>

That couldn't be further from the truth. The students rioting had at least a reason, I was among the peaceful protesters but the rioting was done for a REASON. That reason maybe couldn't justify violence, but it wasn't a bad one. Rioters now are ONLY RIOTING FOR MONEY, FUN AND CHAOS. They're not students, they're underclass teenage thugs who have no worth in this society whatsoever. I don't want them rehabilitated, I want them arrested and taught the word of the law. And I'm a liberal.

 

I concur.

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The people who have done this are just stupid... Loads of them are like the students that rioted months back - "We're not getting what we want so we're gona break all your stuff and our stuff too then complain we've ruined our chances of being listened to and that our stuff is broken." >.>

That couldn't be further from the truth. The students rioting had at least a reason, I was among the peaceful protesters but the rioting was done for a REASON. That reason maybe couldn't justify violence, but it wasn't a bad one. Rioters now are ONLY RIOTING FOR MONEY, FUN AND CHAOS. They're not students, they're underclass teenage thugs who have no worth in this society whatsoever. I don't want them rehabilitated, I want them arrested and taught the word of the law. And I'm a liberal.

 

I concur.

 

i also agree, this is nothing like the student protests

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The people who have done this are just stupid... Loads of them are like the students that rioted months back - "We're not getting what we want so we're gona break all your stuff and our stuff too then complain we've ruined our chances of being listened to and that our stuff is broken." >.>

That couldn't be further from the truth. The students rioting had at least a reason, I was among the peaceful protesters but the rioting was done for a REASON. That reason maybe couldn't justify violence, but it wasn't a bad one. Rioters now are ONLY RIOTING FOR MONEY, FUN AND CHAOS. They're not students, they're underclass teenage thugs who have no worth in this society whatsoever. I don't want them rehabilitated, I want them arrested and taught the word of the law. And I'm a liberal.

Hear hear. A lot of copycats are sprouting and I'm hoping it won't come to my city (though if it does I'm always at hand to kick a bit of ass).

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The people who have done this are just stupid... Loads of them are like the students that rioted months back - "We're not getting what we want so we're gona break all your stuff and our stuff too then complain we've ruined our chances of being listened to and that our stuff is broken." >.>

That couldn't be further from the truth. The students rioting had at least a reason, I was among the peaceful protesters but the rioting was done for a REASON. That reason maybe couldn't justify violence, but it wasn't a bad one. Rioters now are ONLY RIOTING FOR MONEY, FUN AND CHAOS. They're not students, they're underclass teenage thugs who have no worth in this society whatsoever. I don't want them rehabilitated, I want them arrested and taught the word of the law. And I'm a liberal.

Hear hear. A lot of copycats are sprouting and I'm hoping it won't come to my city (though if it does I'm always at hand to kick a bit of ass).

 

Spreading to my city, bordering up the shops with the police out forcing apart any grouping of young people.

 

Bloody idiots, what is the point of this.

 

People in Manchester may also want to get plans to move out sharpish:

 

Rioters have set fire to a Miss Selfridge shop on Market Street in Manchester city centre.
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The people who have done this are just stupid... Loads of them are like the students that rioted months back - "We're not getting what we want so we're gona break all your stuff and our stuff too then complain we've ruined our chances of being listened to and that our stuff is broken." >.>

That couldn't be further from the truth. The students rioting had at least a reason, I was among the peaceful protesters but the rioting was done for a REASON. That reason maybe couldn't justify violence, but it wasn't a bad one. Rioters now are ONLY RIOTING FOR MONEY, FUN AND CHAOS. They're not students, they're underclass teenage thugs who have no worth in this society whatsoever. I don't want them rehabilitated, I want them arrested and taught the word of the law. And I'm a liberal.

Hear hear. A lot of copycats are sprouting and I'm hoping it won't come to my city (though if it does I'm always at hand to kick a bit of ass).

 

Spreading to my city, bordering up the shops with the police out forcing apart any grouping of young people.

 

Bloody idiots, what is the point of this.

 

People in Manchester may also want to get plans to move out sharpish:

 

Rioters have set fire to a Miss Selfridge shop on Market Street in Manchester city centre.

Normal numbers of police in my city on normal patrol, but loads on standby if anything were to happen. I'm annoyingly having to look into cancelling a trip as they may call me. :angry: Bloody brats I say.

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The problem at the moment is that mass public opinion actually seems to oppose the riots. If they grow much larger, I could see them reaching a tipping point where riots against the riots start.

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The problem at the moment is that mass public opinion actually seems to oppose the riots. If they grow much larger, I could see them reaching a tipping point where riots against the riots start.

 

Then the [cabbage] will hit the fan.

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The problem at the moment is that mass public opinion actually seems to oppose the riots. If they grow much larger, I could see them reaching a tipping point where riots against the riots start.

I can imagine that. People are getting angrier and angrier about this, if things go bad tonight and continue into tomorrow with no visible police crackdown then people might take things into their own hands.

 

Also the BBC need to stop talking about what happened last night. I want to know what's happening NOW.

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And to be honest, If I were currently in a place with riots, I would not blame them at all for doing so. The rioters do need to be taught a lesson and to learn that just because you feel you can do something doesn't mean you should.

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