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Congratulations man! Keep up good work.


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Grats bro


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cool wont change anything

 

Comments like that change a lot on the contrary.

 

 

Congratulations Kevin!


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cool wont change anything

 

Comments like that change a lot on the contrary.

 

 

Congratulations Kevin!

 

Nothing I say will change the state of this section lol.. so why sugar coat it and pretend it will? they have staff they just dont care that much to make it better anymore


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he's on these forums like 24/7 should be a moderator of these entire forums to be honest lol

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he's on these forums like 24/7 should be a moderator of these entire forums to be honest lol

 

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cool wont change anything

 

Comments like that change a lot on the contrary.

 

 

Congratulations Kevin!

 

Nothing I say will change the state of this section lol.. so why sugar coat it and pretend it will? they have staff they just dont care that much to make it better anymore

If you have a constructive suggestion you're welcome to share it - but just posting stuff like "it's hopeless" is neither useful nor constructive.


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cool wont change anything

 

Comments like that change a lot on the contrary.

 

 

Congratulations Kevin!

 

Nothing I say will change the state of this section lol.. so why sugar coat it and pretend it will? they have staff they just dont care that much to make it better anymore

If you have a constructive suggestion you're welcome to share it - but just posting stuff like "it's hopeless" is neither useful nor constructive.

 

I have posted constructive suggestions in the past. Maybe in stead of crying about aw a reg member thinks this section is dead why not try and fix it, clans and discussions strive on drama btw so you can't get everyone all nice with each other.

 

Everytime you go around promoting some one new its like here you fix it idc anymore and they dont even do anything with their rank but moderate and more moderation turns people away.


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I have posted constructive suggestions in the past. Maybe in stead of crying about aw a reg member thinks this section is dead why not try and fix it, clans and discussions strive on drama btw so you can't get everyone all nice with each other.

 

Everytime you go around promoting some one new its like here you fix it idc anymore and they dont even do anything with their rank but moderate and more moderation turns people away.

 

I know you did, however I don't browse these forums a lot anymore. However I think this topic isn't the place to vent your worries in my opinion. Kevin deserves to be congratulated without being questioned when he didn't even have a chance to proof himself.

 

I'm not saying I disagree with you, but there isn't a quick fix. To "revive" a clan section you need a lot of hardworking people who spend a lot of time on thinking out ideas, trying new things. There's a chance that all that work is for nothing, but there's also a chance that it will succeed. I'm not saying Kevin will turn things around, but he's extremely active I see and he tries to make topics - even when hardly anybody else does. I know it's "useless" in the eyes of many people, but if really nobody posts here anymore then the clan section is truly dead.

 

I'm not going to comment on the current clan staff, but I doubt the situation is different from that a few years ago. A lot of great staff members left the clan staff, and I personally think they should hire a bunch of really active members now, and indeed try to rebuilt it step by step. What did change is the clan situation, since I'm unaware of the current clan activity I don't know if it's realistic to dream of a super active clan section.

 

Personally I always had a lot of problems with the hierarchy on tip.it. The admins really supported the clan section, certainly when Daniel and Laila were in charge, but there was so little out of the box thinking. I'm not sure if it came from upperhand, but it was hard to get an - maybe risky - innovative idea done. We once had the chance to make some sort of runehead, and instead of putting heaps of people with tech knowledge on it (because honestly, if that was good tip.it could be the biggest clan section now) they just let it die. I also never understood the idea behind promoting clan moderators to super moderators. I think it's a good idea to promote clan moderators like Kim, Y Guy or Joe who did a great job but give them a "higher" rank excusivly for the clan section. Now they spend a lot of time on moderating other boards (I could be wrong but I thought a super moderator was a "general" moderator) instead of having the full focus on the clan section. Times with low activity are the time the clan section needs people (like the CL's) who exclusivly are working on how to revive it. This is in no way a finger point to the current clan forum activity of Kim, Y Guy or Joe - but it's just something I never understood. Because honestly the only person that was able to do that - and that I worked under - was Laila.

 

I never had the end responsability ofcourse, and maybe the not-clan admins were afraid tip.it's clan section would become too big and the rest of the forum would be undermined, I don't know. However, with the right people and motivation a lot is possible here. I saw that myself a few years ago when I thought the clan section would slowly but steadidly grow to a new dimension, however for an unkown reason that growth stagnated.

 

Edit: now I'm doing it myself to discuss this matter in a wrong topic. This post can be moved elsewhere if it isn't suited.


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I have posted constructive suggestions in the past. Maybe in stead of crying about aw a reg member thinks this section is dead why not try and fix it, clans and discussions strive on drama btw so you can't get everyone all nice with each other.

 

Everytime you go around promoting some one new its like here you fix it idc anymore and they dont even do anything with their rank but moderate and more moderation turns people away.

 

No, we promote people regardless of activity because we feel they deserve to be promoted. I don't expect any new cl to single-handedly revive CD. As always, I remain open to further suggestions.

 

 

I know you did, however I don't browse these forums a lot anymore. However I think this topic isn't the place to vent your worries in my opinion. Kevin deserves to be congratulated without being questioned when he didn't even have a chance to proof himself.

 

I'm not saying I disagree with you, but there isn't a quick fix. To "revive" a clan section you need a lot of hardworking people who spend a lot of time on thinking out ideas, trying new things. There's a chance that all that work is for nothing, but there's also a chance that it will succeed. I'm not saying Kevin will turn things around, but he's extremely active I see and he tries to make topics - even when hardly anybody else does. I know it's "useless" in the eyes of many people, but if really nobody posts here anymore then the clan section is truly dead.

 

I'm not going to comment on the current clan staff, but I doubt the situation is different from that a few years ago. A lot of great staff members left the clan staff, and I personally think they should hire a bunch of really active members now, and indeed try to rebuilt it step by step. What did change is the clan situation, since I'm unaware of the current clan activity I don't know if it's realistic to dream of a super active clan section.

 

Personally I always had a lot of problems with the hierarchy on tip.it. The admins really supported the clan section, certainly when Daniel and Laila were in charge, but there was so little out of the box thinking. I'm not sure if it came from upperhand, but it was hard to get an - maybe risky - innovative idea done. We once had the chance to make some sort of runehead, and instead of putting heaps of people with tech knowledge on it (because honestly, if that was good tip.it could be the biggest clan section now) they just let it die. I also never understood the idea behind promoting clan moderators to super moderators. I think it's a good idea to promote clan moderators like Kim, Y Guy or Joe who did a great job but give them a "higher" rank excusivly for the clan section. Now they spend a lot of time on moderating other boards (I could be wrong but I thought a super moderator was a "general" moderator) instead of having the full focus on the clan section. Times with low activity are the time the clan section needs people (like the CL's) who exclusivly are working on how to revive it. This is in no way a finger point to the current clan forum activity of Kim, Y Guy or Joe - but it's just something I never understood. Because honestly the only person that was able to do that - and that I worked under - was Laila.

 

I never had the end responsability ofcourse, and maybe the not-clan admins were afraid tip.it's clan section would become too big and the rest of the forum would be undermined, I don't know. However, with the right people and motivation a lot is possible here. I saw that myself a few years ago when I thought the clan section would slowly but steadidly grow to a new dimension, however for an unkown reason that growth stagnated.

 

Edit: now I'm doing it myself to discuss this matter in a wrong topic. This post can be moved elsewhere if it isn't suited.

 

All I'll say to this post is that Kim isn't a clan mod anymore - and I don't feel my position as a super moderator takes time away from my work here. I'll also say that the reason the boards are dead isn't unknown - once the drama with DV came to close (partly because of over-moderation on our part) things went downhill. It's how to improve things now that's the difficult part.


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@Gamerr, well I don't think he's questioning me in particular, just the fact that he feels that my particular promotion won't change anything.

 

Yes, I completely understand that promoting someone isn't going to change everything around completely. We're not magicians. We do the best we can. If you have any suggestions on how we can improve or something that we can implement, we'll try our best to accomodate that desired change.

 

I know that I'll do the best I can to seek improvements, but it will not be an easy task because as I said, we're not magicians.

 

I appreciate your feedback though, it's always appreciated. If you want to talk sometime feel free to PM me on IRC. I'm always open to listen. :)


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Let's be honest, there just aren't that many clans who want to fight in CWA without overhead prayers anymore, such a shame.

 

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Let's be honest, there just aren't that many clans who want to fight in CWA without overhead prayers anymore, such a shame.

 

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Who said your focus had to be cwa, and no I'm not saying get clans to join TWR just get them to be active on here would be nice. Plus the Tip.it tourny doesnt look like its happening I think not sure tho


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It was a joke to lighten the mood, not a criticism of you or the clan staff. I think you need to relax. You've got on-point suggestions and it's be a shame to see this sprial into a cynical pit of useless pissing contests between what's left of the good community and the clan staff.


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Tourney will happen, and likely soon. That's all I'll say on the matter :P


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It was a joke to lighten the mood, not a criticism of you or the clan staff. I think you need to relax. You've got on-point suggestions and it's be a shame to see this sprial into a cynical pit of useless pissing contests between what's left of the good community and the clan staff.

 

I never took it as criticism towards me or the staff im not raging or anything either so idk why you think i need to relax lol


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It was a joke to lighten the mood, not a criticism of you or the clan staff. I think you need to relax. You've got on-point suggestions and it's be a shame to see this sprial into a cynical pit of useless pissing contests between what's left of the good community and the clan staff.

 

I never took it as criticism towards me or the staff im not raging or anything either so idk why you think i need to relax lol

 

I imagine you to be a passive aggressive cashier at your local grocery store. The one that eventually goes in and kills everyone when he snaps. Except with you it's more barbed cynicism than bullets :P


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I think the maddest Ive ever been over a game is when I had to tell robin to get off my team speak for crying during a war but okay.


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Someone cried on your ts during a war?


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Lol Robin was complaining about people crashing us or something and he said he wasnt coming to the war and talking over people leading so i said get the [bleep] off my team speak if you're not going to come


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Ok...

 

Anyway:

I was always a fan of transparancy. If I look at the clan forums I only see two - if I may say - seriously inactive stickies:

Improvement topic - only 5 posts in a year, hardly any suggestions

TWR Suggestion topic - last post 07.11.2010

 

I don't know, I kinda expected a topic made by a staff member with questions on how do the current visitors see the future, what are they suggesting, ...

Also, oppurtunities to maybe give an activity boost aren't updated/follow up'd on:

Tip it tournament - will there be one in 2011 ? I assume a tourny takes a lot of preparation so if that hasn't started yet maybe say "Next spring 2012 a big tourny" or w/e. If you keep users posted they will frequentely check these boards to see what the plan is, and maybe drop by the CD and reply on a few topics.

 

I know it's easy to not do anything myself - since I don't play RuneScape anymore so I wouldn't be useful - but there are a few simple things to do in my honest opinion that don't take so much work. Update users on the projects the clan staff is working on, and do that atleast every month. If a newsletter is too much work, just a small topic on CD then with the activities these days. You could make new fresh discussion topics about specific problems (e.g. : do you want a TWR tourny? do you want a tip it tourny , ... and make polls in those topics, always attracts more users) Don't do such things in the conclave, but in the CD forums. I'd personally hire 5-10 extra staff members (I know maybe there aren't a lot of people around but when I look around here I see like 4-5 potential candidates (ofcourse I'm not informed if some of them already declined a position) ) and prepare them for something. A tip it tourny still in the winter of 2011, clan memberlists, a complete revamp of tip.it, or a big TWR tourny where the winner clan gets a month advertising on tip it's front page, I don't know what's possible.

 

However, I think many of the tip it CD users are a bit uninterested also. If I see something, I'd make a topic about it to discuss something. Apart from a few here, most of the users only complain and never hand in a constructive suggestion. Though to form a great clan discussion then when some people only seem to be interested in tip it when they don't have to cooperate and be innovative themselves and basicly sit back and jump on the success train.

 

This is just my opnion eh, I just don't like dancing around the problem and chit chatting about irrelevant stuff. Yeah Danny sometimes seems a bit cynic but I don't know, maybe he just wants an active CD and thinks there isn't done enough at the moment. I'm not saying we all should become negative and shout out that tip.it's clan discussion is dead, but I don't know maybe a few small things could make a huge difference.


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