Jiblix and Ken Genosis Demodded Over Speaking Out

[Jiblix]

 

I'm glad that not everyone displays your attitude of 'doesnt matter if I dont report, another will be along in a minute'. Pschoqueen pretty much summed up your attitude to this whole thing in disregarding any form of responsibility. You took a disregard to your responsibility to your role as a pmod and representative in the way you did what you did and you thought there'd be no consequence. You deserved the boot.

 

I knew there was going to be consequences (players have gotten demodded for far less). I fully accepted that when I put up the video and I have no regrets with doing so.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

Don't get me wrong. The current situation in-game for F2P is deplorable and it's a shame that there seems to be little public action being taken. As a champion of the community, why didn't Jiblix report it via the proper channels? Players are told that mods have their own private forums, where these types of issues can be raised. Did Jiblix do this at all?

 

How could he justly keep the crown, when he responded with "I didn't bother" to one comment about whether or not he reported the bots he recorded? If he wasn't prepared to report them, why film them?

 

Looks like Jiblix's bang is ending with a whimper.

 

Mods do have their own forums to post in but I honestly found talking about anything controversial in those forums to be useless. It usually ends up in ridiculous arguments and fights between other mods/mentors then a J-Mod usually locks it up. There is more merit to writing up a thread and having it being discussed publicly with the community to get everyone's input.

 

I didn't bother reporting any of the bots because it is an ineffective means of dealing with the actual problem. There were times where I would go on those bot busts with J-Mods and other P-Mods and report bots, but what's the point when they come back just as instantly as they get removed? I filmed them not because they weren't aware (everyone is aware it's a problem) but to show the extent of damage that bringing back FT/W had on their players.

 

I'm glad that not everyone displays your attitude of 'doesnt matter if I dont report, another will be along in a minute'. Pschoqueen pretty much summed up your attitude to this whole thing in disregarding any form of responsibility. You took a disregard to your responsibility to your role as a pmod and representative in the way you did what you did and you thought there'd be no consequence. You deserved the boot.

 

This statement is flawed, but we can start at the beginning.

 

It is not irresponsible to simply not report something. It is, and always has been optional to report any player, for any reason, at any time.

 

The fact that he didn't report the bots isn't a testament to him slacking off or not following his "duty" - first, as I've stated above, it's an option to report someone. Second, the notion is for you to report every bot you see without giving Jagex the impression that you've been hacked or are abusing your power. If you were to report every player you saw that you thought was botting, only to come back have have a third of the reports return true, then that'd give them circumstantial evidence to re-review your account. And yes, it's happened before.

 

I suppose now this is a matter of how the PMod role should be viewed. Are they nothing more than automatons that report every wrongdoing that they see, or do they expose the wrongdoing in another way? Reports don't seem to be effective, and the volume of them would overwhelm the poor few guys handling the reports anyway, so I'm really not sure what you want. If you want the PMod team to literally go around and report every bot that they think they see, then those people would be paying Jagex to work for them. That's ass-backwards, if you asked me.

 

Honestly, if you think that it's easy to report every bot or autoer you saw: Report one player and pretend you have no time limit to your next report. Then report the next one. Then report the person with the name 0O0oOO0121, followed by IlIIlIllI. Good luck to your hands, you'll need it.

[rsboy]

omg i can't believe jagex would do this!

[Sly_Wizard]

So have the results of the GJA come out yet?

[rsboy]

So have the results of the GJA come out yet?

 

I hop e jagex will lose after reading this thread!

[Crossed_Body]

This is very true also taking into account that Mods must spend their playing time to fulfill their mod duties. And because they're mods, they're expected to not openly criticize anything Jagex does. In fact, they're more regimented and restricted than the average player.

Really? By whom are they restricted? Where can I find their restrictive rules of conduct?

 

Oh, what's that? I can't? Then I can't assume they have them. In fact, it's quite the opposite. I have to assume they do not.

[pal2002]

Voting is still open!

[Guest jrhairychest]

@ pal2002 - in order to be in position to criticise Jagex, you’d expect players to report so they at least practice what they profess to feel strongly about. If you don’t then you’re not in a position to argue so it doesn’t automatically give you the right to gleefully point the finger at Jagex for not doing anything when it’s evident you don’t do this yourselves because frankly...you can’t be arsed.

 

I think this link perfectly sums it up. Oh and timmmmm83 – Don’t need to shoot the messenger, he did that by loading the bullets for Jagex to fire.

 

@Jiblix – So you weren’t even a little surprised that this happened?

 

@Makato - Reading between the lines of your post it just makes excuse after excuse for a pmod not to report. ‘Its not their duty.....Jagex boys get overwhelmed with reports...They might make mistakes..... Its hard to get the bot names right.....Might lose pmod status through innacurrate reporting and its too much like hard work’. Just excuses and much more flawed than any statement I've made so far.

 

Interesting point you made regarding mistakes. Considering how sure everyone is that bots are the plague of RS, you made an interesting point on inaccurate reporting. After all everyone is complaining about the bot epidemic, which means they know whats a bot and what isn’t, soooooooo......Why the fear of making mistakes if everyone is so sure?

[Bobbington]

Edit nvm

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

@Makato - Reading between the lines of your post it just makes excuse after excuse for a pmod not to report. Its not their duty.....Jagex boys get overwhelmed with reports...They might make mistakes..... Its hard to get the bot names right.....Might lose pmod status through innacurrate reporting and its too much like hard work. Just excuses and much more flawed than any statement I've made so far.

 

Interesting point you made regarding mistakes. Considering how sure everyone is that bots are the plague of RS, you made an interesting point on inaccurate reporting. After all everyone is complaining about the bot epidemic, which means they know whats a bot and what isnt, soooooooo......Why the fear of making mistakes if everyone is so sure?

 

You should realize that I'm not making excuses in the least. Fact of the matter is, regardless of if I've got a crown in-game, or a green background on the forums, some days I just want to play the damn game. That's why a provision such as "you don't have to report" exists. It's also one of many reasons why I ultimately left the team - there's so many problems going on with the game that it's difficult or impossible to tackle alone, and my time would be far better served blowing off steam at Castle Wars or on a Slayer task.

 

Hell, Jagex wasn't paying me to play rent-a-cop for the year that I was there. Was there a problem with me willfully playing the game instead of dedicating 6 to 8 hours of my week just to fix an epidemic which Jagex said they could handle on their own?

 

 

It's also true that multiple false reports does get your account flagged. If a PMod went around reporting everyone they saw, that'd raise some eyebrows. I say it's happened before as I've known player moderators, previously disenchanted with the system, try and report every bot they saw - but that wound up costing them their crown.

 

But perhaps it boils down to what you do and don't know about the Moderator team. There's a lot that can't be said about their procedures, or how they handle situations, but in reality, this comes out with the reporting habits and their optimistic outlook on the community, or lack thereof. Then again, I want to know how you view the moderator team. What are they do you? Are they the community's personal watchdog? The police before the police? Or are they inadequately equipped to deal with a problem that is, technically and realistically, out of their jurisdiction?

[Crossed_Body]

@ pal2002 - in order to be in position to criticise Jagex, youd expect players to report so they at least practice what they profess to feel strongly about. If you dont then youre not in a position to argue so it doesnt automatically give you the right to gleefully point the finger at Jagex for not doing anything when its evident you dont do this yourselves because frankly...you cant be arsed.

 

Reports are technicaly sound but practicaly useless. I'll let you figure out for yourself what that means.

[Jesus_Status]

Reporting is like a nude beach. Good in theory bad in execution.

[h3art]

Disenchanted enough that I've put my money where my mouth is (or not, as it were) and cancelled my membership, for this among other reasons. I'll still attempt to enjoy the free game, primarily on foreign servers for obvious reasons.

[Deathknell]

This is very true also taking into account that Mods must spend their playing time to fulfill their mod duties. And because they're mods, they're expected to not openly criticize anything Jagex does. In fact, they're more regimented and restricted than the average player.

Really? By whom are they restricted? Where can I find their restrictive rules of conduct?

 

Oh, what's that? I can't? Then I can't assume they have them. In fact, it's quite the opposite. I have to assume they do not.

 

Restrictive by the definition of the position. Performing those duties requires times and it's most likely to be time that you'd spend playing. That's how it can be restrictive. Not to mention Jib mentioned people coming into the game to ask him to leave the game to help manage the forums.

 

So how about you not jump at people trying to agree with you? <_<

[Guest jrhairychest]

You should realize that I'm not making excuses in the least. Fact of the matter is, regardless of if I've got a crown in-game, or a green background on the forums, some days I just want to play the damn game. That's why a provision such as "you don't have to report" exists. It's also one of many reasons why I ultimately left the team - there's so many problems going on with the game that it's difficult or impossible to tackle alone, and my time would be far better served blowing off steam at Castle Wars or on a Slayer task.

 

Hell, Jagex wasn't paying me to play rent-a-cop for the year that I was there. Was there a problem with me willfully playing the game instead of dedicating 6 to 8 hours of my week just to fix an epidemic which Jagex said they could handle on their own?

 

 

It's also true that multiple false reports does get your account flagged. If a PMod went around reporting everyone they saw, that'd raise some eyebrows. I say it's happened before as I've known player moderators, previously disenchanted with the system, try and report every bot they saw - but that wound up costing them their crown.

 

But perhaps it boils down to what you do and don't know about the Moderator team. There's a lot that can't be said about their procedures, or how they handle situations, but in reality, this comes out with the reporting habits and their optimistic outlook on the community, or lack thereof. Then again, I want to know how you view the moderator team. What are they do you? Are they the community's personal watchdog? The police before the police? Or are they inadequately equipped to deal with a problem that is, technically and realistically, out of their jurisdiction?

 

Its a three way problem Jagex, those who bot and those who wont help to clean it up.

 

Jagex doesnt pay you to be a rent-a-cop but you either volunteer or accept an invitation, therefore thats a two way process. All want the crown, but it seems not all want any responsibility that goes with it. Yes, that's right the 'R' word. The one that conveniently disappears with 'I dont have to report if I don't want to' and often translates as 'I got what I want so up yours community'. I would have thought that anyone in that position would at least be on the side of trying to clean up the game from a player perspective and use that position wisely in the face of the bot epidemic. Again, why if you and others are so sure that the game is infested with bots that youre stating that pmods are cautious to report them? They're not exactly hard to spot! Jib found enough of them yet didn't bother reporting. You said yourself you didn't want to do it, so admit it you just couldn't be arsed could you?

 

Id answer your last paragraph but youre asking me the wrong questions. You should have instead asked me what I DONT expect from player moderators. One is to whinge about the state of the game and washing their dirty linen in public while still in that position then doing nothing about it in-game. I guess the quality and attitude of moderators differs considerably from my expectations. Just like in a job the ones who shout the loudest are the ones who do the least amount of work.

 

 

Reports are technicaly sound but practicaly useless. I'll let you figure out for yourself what that means.

 

Wow youre so informed Im so glad you work for Jagex...Oh thats right you dont.

[Crossed_Body]

Restrictive by the definition of the position. Performing those duties requires times and it's most likely to be time that you'd spend playing. That's how it can be restrictive. Not to mention Jib mentioned people coming into the game to ask him to leave the game to help manage the forums.

 

So how about you not jump at people trying to agree with you? <_<

 

I'm talking about restrictions in the way they act, not time restrictions. Obviously they'll have those if they reserve a fraction of their time to moderating.

 

I'm not jumping at anyone, but whether you agree with me or not is irrelevant unless your points are sound.

 

 

Wow youre so informed Im so glad you work for Jagex...Oh thats right you dont.

 

So, it does look like I'll have to explain it to you.

Reporting is technically sound because, technically, reports on wrong-doers will be acted upon.

This is rendered invalid by many factors; Whether it be Jagex taking no action at all, too many wrong-doers to practically and efficiently report AND the insufficient manpower that Jagex apparently has in dealing with enormous quantities of reports.

 

It's a flawed system made worse by bad decisions (or good, depending on your point of view) from Jagex. Currently, reporting does close to nothing, and as pointed out, excessive reports can and will get you demoded for nothing due to the hydra effect.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

It's a three way problem Jagex, those who bot and those who won't help to clean it up.

 

What the hell do you expect of Player Moderators? Are they required to report every rule breaker they suspect? I can see your logic but it's flawed; no, Player Moderators have to draw a very clear line as to how much they can and cannot do before they start spelling "check" with a 'q'.

 

Jagex doesn't pay you to be a rent-a-cop but you either volunteer or accept an invitation, therefore that's a two way process. All want the crown, but it seems not all want any responsibility that goes with it. Yes, that's right the 'R' word. The one that conveniently disappears with 'I dont have to report if I don't want to' and often translates as 'I got what I want so up yours community'. I would have thought that anyone in that position would at least be on the side of trying to clean up the game from a player perspective and use that position wisely in the face of the 'bot epidemic'. Again, why if you and others are so sure that the game is infested with bots that you're stating that pmods are 'cautious' to report them? They're not exactly hard to spot! Jib found enough of them yet didn't bother reporting. You said yourself you didn't want to do it, so admit it you just couldn't be arsed could you?

 

I never said I didn't want to. I said that the clause existed so I didn't have to. The clause exists so I didn't have to stop enjoying a Corporeal trip to report four or five rule breakers, and have them come back 10 minutes later.

 

I've already addressed the "cautious" point. Please re-read my earlier post.

 

I'll address your third point more directly later, although it blends in nicely. You've mentioned "responsibility", and for the most part I agree. However, it really boils down to how you view Player Moderators. Speaking only for myself, I volunteered because I wanted to make a difference. This was only to find out that most of the efforts made by myself and others like me were, for the most part, thrown under a bus with internal changes, as well as the Wilderness + FT update.

 

I'm not saying that not reporting them was the right thing to do, and if it seems that I advocated that then I apologize for the confusion. However, it's merely the option of the moderator - if they don't want to, then they shouldn't be forced to. Again, it boils down to how you view Player Moderators.

 

Lastly, and this is important - reporting bots is a bit of a hodgepodge. How can we prove that this person is botting beyond a shadow of a doubt? All we can do is refer the name to Jagex, and they have to look into the matter, and if they determine that they're not botting, that's all that can be said about the matter. Period.

 

Ultimately the decision with who's botting and who isn't lies with Jagex. Players and Player Moderators alike have no other power to thoroughly stop botting, like the community - and yourself - expect them to.

 

I'd answer your last paragraph but you're asking me the wrong questions. You should have instead asked me what I DON'T expect from player moderators. One is to whinge about the state of the game and washing their dirty linen in public while still in that position then doing nothing about it in-game. I guess the quality and attitude of moderators differs considerably from my expectations. Just like in a job the ones who shout the loudest are the ones who do the least amount of work.

 

No, I asked the right questions. I genuinely want to hear from you [in PM if it derails the topic] what you expect from Player Moderators. But keep in mind, these are people that have jobs, college obligations, families, or something outside of 'Scape going on.

 

I agree that they shouldn't air their own, personal dirty laundry for the world to see, but this is the oft-misinterpreted-as-blurry line between whining and whistleblowing. Then again, what could have been done? As I said above, referring the name to Jagex is all that any player can do, period. Displaying their names in a video doesn't give Jagex "proof" to take action against the alleged botters, but it does shed light as to what appears to be happening with the amount of bots in-game.

 

If Jagex, who claims repeatedly to have systems in place to detect cheating, could do so automatically, then reports from players serve merely as a placebo, to give the feeling that something is done. Problem is, unless you're a JMod, you can't do much better than that placebo effect.

[Guest jrhairychest]

So, it does look like I'll have to explain it to you.

Reporting is technically sound because, technically, reports on wrong-doers will be acted upon.

This is rendered invalid by many factors; Whether it be Jagex taking no action at all, too many wrong-doers to practically and efficiently report AND the insufficient manpower that Jagex apparently has in dealing with enormous quantities of reports.

 

It's a flawed system made worse by bad decisions (or good, depending on your point of view) from Jagex. Currently, reporting does close to nothing, and as pointed out, excessive reports can and will get you demoded for nothing due to the hydra effect.

 

It seems like you didnt get my sarcasm so it looks like Ill have to explain it to you........Unless you actually work there and know this for a fact then you can make up all the conspiracy theories you want and save them for those who actually believe them.

 

What the hell do you expect of Player Moderators? Are they required to report every rule breaker they suspect? I can see your logic but it's flawed; no, Player Moderators have to draw a very clear line as to how much they can and cannot do before they start spelling "check" with a 'q'.

 

Are you for real? Where have you got this from? I dont expect a pmod to stand there and pmod all game time . I expect a mod to at least try to do something about the bot issue before whinging about how bad it is without doing a damn thing about it themselves first i.e. Jib.. Read psychoqueens post. This point youve actually partially agreed with yourself halfway down your own post. Was it too much to ask for a pmod for a bit effort in cleaning up the game or something? Oh yes....theyve got their crown now so its not their problem is it.

 

I never said I didn't want to. I said that the clause existed so I didn't have to. The clause exists so I didn't have to stop enjoying a Corporeal trip to report four or five rule breakers, and have them come back 10 minutes later.

 

I've already addressed the "cautious" point. Please re-read my earlier post.

 

I'll address your third point more directly later, although it blends in nicely. You've mentioned "responsibility", and for the most part I agree. However, it really boils down to how you view Player Moderators. Speaking only for myself, I volunteered because I wanted to make a difference. This was only to find out that most of the efforts made by myself and others like me were, for the most part, thrown under a bus with internal changes, as well as the Wilderness + FT update.

 

I'm not saying that not reporting them was the right thing to do, and if it seems that I advocated that then I apologize for the confusion. However, it's merely the option of the moderator - if they don't want to, then they shouldn't be forced to. Again, it boils down to how you view Player Moderators.

 

Lastly, and this is important - reporting bots is a bit of a hodgepodge. How can we prove that this person is botting beyond a shadow of a doubt? All we can do is refer the name to Jagex, and they have to look into the matter, and if they determine that they're not botting, that's all that can be said about the matter. Period.

 

Ultimately the decision with who's botting and who isn't lies with Jagex. Players and Player Moderators alike have no other power to thoroughly stop botting, like the community - and yourself - expect them to.

 

Youre still relying on your clause of convenience. Whichever way you want to brand it its all excuses whether you like hearing or not. And no you havent dealt with the cautious point at all, it still stands. If youre all so sure that this and that is a bot like everyone keeps proclaiming then report it. You have advocated it by stating there are a number of pmods who wont report bots as theyre more interested in saving their own crown rather than the interests of the game. Pretty pathetic.

 

No, I asked the right questions. I genuinely want to hear from you [in PM if it derails the topic] what you expect from Player Moderators. But keep in mind, these are people that have jobs, college obligations, families, or something outside of 'Scape going on.

 

I agree that they shouldn't air their own, personal dirty laundry for the world to see, but this is the oft-misinterpreted-as-blurry line between whining and whistleblowing. Then again, what could have been done? As I said above, referring the name to Jagex is all that any player can do, period. Displaying their names in a video doesn't give Jagex "proof" to take action against the alleged botters, but it does shed light as to what appears to be happening with the amount of bots in-game.

 

If Jagex, who claims repeatedly to have systems in place to detect cheating, could do so automatically, then reports from players serve merely as a placebo, to give the feeling that something is done. Problem is, unless you're a JMod, you can't do much better than that placebo effect.

 

In relation to your expectations of pmods Ive pretty much summed it up. However if you want to know more then start a thread on the subject and Ill answer it there. On the subject of Jib and whistleblowing Ive answered this a number of posts back but Ill humour you. Jib couldve dumped his crown in protest then whistleblown. That would have been acceptable and an honourable thing to do and he wouldve got my support. However instead everyone was up in arms about how jib got demodded and how evil Jagex were for it. It was Jibs own fault for washing his dirty linen in public while still representing Jagex. Im still not convinced that Jib either expected it or was happy with the outcome but Jagex were spot on.

 

As far as Jagex and what they do are concerned....well well just have to wait for Rune Fest and see.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

Are you for real? Where have you got this from? I don't expect a pmod to stand there and pmod all game time . I expect a mod to at least try to do something about the bot issue before whinging about how bad it is without doing a damn thing about it themselves first i.e. Jib.. Read psychoqueens post. This point you've actually partially agreed with yourself halfway down your own post. Was it too much to ask for a pmod for a bit effort in cleaning up the game or something? Oh yes....they've got their crown now so it's not their problem is it.

 

Here you go, jumping to conclusions. There's nothing saying that, before those movies were ever made, that he didn't go around and try and report those bots. Again I can only speak for myself, but every time I felt like someone was botting, I sure would report them.

 

It's just that, when faced with more than 1,000 of them per server per hour, it's untenable to report them, and unreasonable to ask any one volunteer to try and take it on. Even if it's a slice of that, it gets unreasonable after a while.

 

Not to mention.

 

You've conveniently glazed over the point I made earlier - any player, regardless of if they're a PMod or regular player, can only refer the name of the account to Jagex, and hope that Jagex believes they're botting.

 

So honestly, it's not a matter of a PMod not doing anything about the situation, it's that they're woefully under-equipped to deal with this problem.

 

You're still relying on your clause of convenience. Whichever way you want to brand it its all excuses whether you like hearing or not. And no you haven't dealt with the cautious point at all, it still stands. If you're all so sure that this and that is a bot like everyone keeps proclaiming then report it. You have advocated it by stating there are a number of pmods who won't report bots as they're more interested in saving their own crown rather than the interests of the game. Pretty pathetic.

 

So you do expect Player Moderators to report everything they see, even though flooding the report system (despite it being for a good cause!) would do more harm than good. Okay. I won't try to convince you otherwise any further.

 

In relation to your expectations of pmods I've pretty much summed it up. However if you want to know more then start a thread on the subject and I'll answer it there. On the subject of Jib and whistleblowing I've answered this a number of posts back but I'll humour you. Jib could've dumped his crown in protest then whistleblown. That would have been acceptable and an honourable thing to do and he would've got my support. However instead everyone was up in arms about how jib got demodded and how evil Jagex were for it. It was Jib's own fault for washing his dirty linen in public while still representing Jagex. I'm still not convinced that Jib either expected it or was happy with the outcome but Jagex were spot on.

 

As far as Jagex and what they do are concerned....well we'll just have to wait for Rune Fest and see.

 

For the most part, I don't believe I was upset or angry with Jagex that he was demodded...it's well within their right to do so.

 

However, it paints Jagex in a pretty shady light. It conveys retaliation against someone that they championed when a major point was brought up to the community. It also means that, if you disagree with Jagex's policies publicly as a moderator of any sort, you can expect to be retaliated against as well. It doesn't make the Moderator communities feel very good about voicing their concerns with the rest of the player base, who they are said to be a part of as well.

 

So that's all, really. I'm kind of tired debating the issues here, since it seems they may be dragging the thread off topic. If you want, we can finish this in PM.

[Crossed_Body]

So, it does look like I'll have to explain it to you.

Reporting is technically sound because, technically, reports on wrong-doers will be acted upon.

This is rendered invalid by many factors; Whether it be Jagex taking no action at all, too many wrong-doers to practically and efficiently report AND the insufficient manpower that Jagex apparently has in dealing with enormous quantities of reports.

 

It's a flawed system made worse by bad decisions (or good, depending on your point of view) from Jagex. Currently, reporting does close to nothing, and as pointed out, excessive reports can and will get you demoded for nothing due to the hydra effect.

 

It seems like you didnt get my sarcasm so it looks like Ill have to explain it to you........Unless you actually work there and know this for a fact then you can make up all the conspiracy theories you want and save them for those who actually believe them.

No, I got what you meant. But you're still wrong.

 

All that I've said is verifiable by either logic, mod experience or just common sense. I'd like you to tell me which of my points sound far fetched or "conspiratory", and why.

[strilmus]

At this point, they've been taking the time to destroy all threads discussing any kind of dissatisfaction, regardless of who is actually saying what. There is no explicit way to get an answer as to why they are doing this, and resulting punishments cannot be appealed.

 

I'd give evidence but they burned it all.

 

I do, however, suggest staying even farther away from the RSOF than before, or risk having all your rights violated.

[pal2002]

People hate me for being the doomsayer - but really, when your most loyal players - and now including jiblix - all quit on you - no amount of PR stunts/gimmicks/membersRWTprogram/clothes will save the community, or the game.

[Carl]

People hate me for being the doomsayer - but really, when your most loyal players - and now including jiblix - all quit on you - no amount of PR stunts/gimmicks/membersRWTprogram/clothes will save the community, or the game.

 

You're preaching to the wrong crowd.

 

Loyal players, or just players in general, haven't quit. That's just your warped perception (As I've touched on before), believing they have.. And now Jiblix? As if it's breaking news.

 

You've stated multiple times that you've quit, but you're still here preaching on a daily basis.

 

You've no idea what can be done by them, there's no need to "Save the game", it's not "lost". Yes there are bots and the like, but most of us aren't shoving it down peoples throats. Seriously, find something better to do, please.

[Crossed_Body]

honestly, the people who are supposedly quitting due to jagex don't matter anyways. jiblix was just a forum moderator and a level 3 in runescape so he was a scrub

 

 

scrub

 

 

 

scrub

 

 

Jesus christ I laughed... Are you sure that's what you mean? Because I don't think you mean what that word actually represents.

[Carl]

honestly, the people who are supposedly quitting due to jagex don't matter anyways. jiblix was just a forum moderator and a level 3 in runescape so he was a scrub

 

 

scrub

 

 

 

scrub

 

 

Jesus christ I laughed... Are you sure that's what you mean? Because I don't think you mean what that word actually represents.

 

That term used on the internet's essentially the same as "Noob".