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Jiblix and Ken Genosis Demodded Over Speaking Out

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If they had just let the video be, it wouldn't have garnished that much attention.

 

Even if they let the video be, if they had still demodded Jib, it would have still gone viral. It's too easy to draw the conclusion that he was demodded for being outspoken, especially if the details can't be disclosed. Yet that can't be a reason to not take action.


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Actually, I believe he said he was demodded for encouraging people not to vote for Runescape as the best f2p game; not specifically for the video painting Runescape in a bad light. Either way, it doesn't matter. It's Jagex's game and Jagex demodding mods for doing things Jagex doesn't like isn't anything new.

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And he doesn't have to like or agree with Jagex to hold a position for helping people, the community, and the game itself.

 

... which brings us to the gist of the problem. Whilst according to you - and many others, self included - he doesn't HAVE to agree with Jagex apparently they feel he DOES. Everywhere. Always.

 

They would've been better off ignoring the video rather than drawing further attention to it by their action.

That is the great irony involved here.

 

It bears mentioning that Jagex may not have demodded him for the video, it might have been something else. Or he might have requested to be demodded. Fact was that it occurred in such a short timeframe after the video was posted that people associated one with the other, thereby making him a martyr. The video is now viral and overall this is a PR nightmare for Jagex. If they had just let the video be, it wouldn't have garnished that much attention.

 

Exactly. Unfortunately it seems Jagex is being run by mostly aggressive go-getters type business people who wouldn't stop to think about those sorts of ramifications. I've seen the same shortcomings within the company for awhile, especially surrounding all these bonus experience gimmicks. They'll eventually drive the company into the ground with cheap tricks and a lack of useful game content. The only reason the company didn't crash and burn years ago is because the product is unique. The current Jagex has very little to do with keeping players in the game, or even attracting new ones.


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Actually, I believe he said he was demodded for encouraging people not to vote for Runescape as the best f2p game; not specifically for the video painting Runescape in a bad light. Either way, it doesn't matter. It's Jagex's game and Jagex demodding mods for doing things Jagex doesn't like isn't anything new.

 

But he didn't. He simply said he thought they didn't deserve to win this year. He never encouraged anyone to do anything, just gave his opinion.


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If they had just let the video be, it wouldn't have garnished that much attention.

 

Even if they let the video be, if they had still demodded Jib, it would have still gone viral. It's too easy to draw the conclusion that he was demodded for being outspoken, especially if the details can't be disclosed. Yet that can't be a reason to not take action.

I meant if they had not taken any action against Jimblex. The video would not have garnished nearly as much attention if they had not demodded him.


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Exactly. Unfortunately it seems Jagex is being run by mostly aggressive go-getters type business people who wouldn't stop to think about those sorts of ramifications.

 

Say you're running a clan in runescape. You're the leader, and you have to look out for the well-being of the clan. You just find out that your official was going around badmouthing the clan, fellow community members. Your official is supposed to be a rolemodel and help you keep it together because honestly, one person can't run the whole damn thing by themselves. You later find out that he's been flaming other clans and hurting the reputation of your own. It causes a decline in recruits, which is deadly. You talk to him, try to solve it diplomatically. You don't want a big stink. He's popular with some key members, and action against him could hurt more than it could help. Finally the last straw comes when you find out that he just scammed a clanmate. Action HAS to be taken. Despite his popularity and the drama it causes, you can't let something like that continue. You kick him. They accuse you of getting rid of your 'competition' because everyone knows he was active enough to be a leader, and he was a good fall-in leader. It doesn't matter that you were trying to protect members and the image of the clan, because they'll blame the stupidity of the clanmate who was scammed. It doesn't matter that your now ex-official was hurting the clan image, because he was flaming rival clans that no one liked anyway. Yet something had to be done, and your hands couldn't be tied when you have a greater ideal to protect.

 

Who is right, and who is wrong?

 

@Dragonlordjl, Ahh right, I see what you meant. But still :/


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How about this instead, Kimberly?

 

You are running a clan into the ground on Runescape. Members hate the leaders and want to quit. On of your high ranked members says that you don't deserve to win "Best clan leader 2011". You get mad because you just want to use your clanmates for money until you have more than you know what to do with. Everyone agrees you are doing an awful job.


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I would wonder why someone who hates the clan so much is still a member of that clan.

 

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We have to remember that the people who manage the Pmods and Forum mods are not the same people who are making these terrible business decisions. They still have to do what they have to do...no matter how terrible Jagex as a whole has become, or how money-grubbing they are with this Refer a Friend bs. Do I still hate Jagex? Bet your ass. Do I understand why they had to do it? God I wish I didn't. They deserve every bit of negativity that can be pushed their way. But in this...who knows?


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So not to sound like a jerk, but what I've gathered from reading this thread is nothing more than trying to make Jiblix a martyr to make the already villainized Jagex seem worse. It might not be completely unwarranted that they're villainzed, and I personally don't agree with everything they do (loyalty points, referral program, leniency in regards to bots) , but honestly if people have such an issue with them than why do they continue to use their game? I mean lately there's been so much Jagex bashing, and regardless of its factual or not factual basis, it has gotten old fast as I've realized a lot of people are focusing on that rather than the actual telos of Runescape, that is, it being for FUN.

 

That being said, this particular instance reminds me of a graphic novel I had to read for Social Foundations called Persepolis about the Islamic Revolution in Iran, and a particular scene comes to mind. There's a mob carrying the body of a soldier saying that the king is a killer, than another body comes out of a hospital and the mob is like another martyr, the king is a killer. Than the widow of the dead comes out and she's like no, he's not a soldier, he died of cancer. But the mob was like lul whut? The king is a killer. So the widow just joined the mob, basically to point a finger at someone. The king was a jerk but that guy's death was unrelated and certainly not a martyrdom. Similarly, it's the rule for players to heavily criticize Jagex and it doesn't matter that sometimes the reasoning is convoluted or the blame irrelevantly placed but a good number of players just support it in a mob mentality just because something else in Runescape/Jagex displeases them.

 

Edit: And no one better say I'm saying one cannot complain. I'm saying that when one complains it should be constructive, not a continuous habit of [bleep]ing.


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A person can have a constructive complaint with every bad action the company makes, regardless if the company does it out of necessity, and that complaining person would still get posts like yours directed at them. The stigma goes both ways, and I think the only thing both parties at this point have in common is their shared weariness for the same crap served to them day in and day out. And just like the 'complainers' don't quit RuneScape despite complaining, the ones chiding the complainers always have another dose of oily moral righteousness to throw on the flames.

 

Neither side is making anything better.

 

EDIT: Persepolis was a great graphic novel, loved it :)

 

EDIT2: I think we're also off topic now.


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Okay. Main point, as pointed out by Smellysocks in the Kknowledge Base is that Jib was punished for doing what Jagex said in their own KB they want them to do.

 

The icing on the cake is that he was punished for doing it on a site not directly related to Runescape or Jagex.


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You are running a clan into the ground on Runescape. Members hate the leaders and want to quit. On of your high ranked members says that you don't deserve to win "Best clan leader 2011". You get mad because you just want to use your clanmates for money until you have more than you know what to do with. Everyone agrees you are doing an awful job.

I would wonder why someone who hates the clan so much is still a member of that clan.

Perhaps the person isn't upset with the clan, so much as the people running it. When trying to resolve things internally fail, sometimes one must make their objections public. And, yes, sometimes repeatedly and increasingly angrily.

 

People are becoming increasingly passionate about this and many other issues lately. This passion for the game has held Jagex in good stead financially from year to year, but if the problems continue, if the lack of judicious treatment of their community leaders continue, if that passion from the players is ignored in favor of increasingly obvious profit grabs, then the players will, inevitably, leave. Slowly at first, but increasingly until the leaving outnumber the incoming. It won't happen quickly, and may not happen for a few years yet to come, but when it does I have a feeling that this will be one of the events over the last 10 months pointed to as the beginning of the end.


 

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Oh already Voted in GJS.

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Sad to see he got De-Modded :(


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Blast, I already voted. :-(

 

Where's Anonymous when you need them?


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Blast, I already voted. :-(

 

Where's Anonymous when you need them?

 

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Where's Anonymous when you need them?

Too busy dealing with important issues like Facebook.


 

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Blast, I already voted. :-(

 

Where's Anonymous when you need them?

I'd rather not have my account endangered, thankyouverymuch.


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Let's all go to Farmville where at least the people in charge there are honest about being in it only for the money. :thumbup:


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To be honest I've never had any intention of voting at all, actually. Unless you've given all of the games a fair crack by playing them you can't give a reasonable opinion. Anything else is either fandom or ignorance.

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To be honest I've never had any intention of voting at all, actually. Unless you've given all of the games a fair crack by playing them you can't give a reasonable opinion. Anything else is either fandom or ignorance.

 

 

Anything else is at least a vote against Jagex. I would hate to see them win best F2P mmorpg when F2P isn't even playable at this point.


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To be honest I've never had any intention of voting at all, actually. Unless you've given all of the games a fair crack by playing them you can't give a reasonable opinion. Anything else is either fandom or ignorance.

 

 

Anything else is at least a vote against Jagex. I would hate to see them win best F2P mmorpg when F2P isn't even playable at this point.

 

It's an honest vote against Jagex yes, but is it an honest vote for the game being voted upon?


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ye they're cracking down, they filed a copyright claim on a video i had up yesterday basically downtrodding on the "Refer Yourself Program", so I had to remove it, or face a channel suspension. i guess their authority crosses over to other sites now, better keep my lips a little tighter

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Are they claiming copyright infringement because your vid has gameplay footage? If so, gameplay footage is fair use.

 

EDIT: Perhaps Not, looked it up. The US copyright office says gameplay footage would be a public display of copyrighted material which is a no no. This is odd, I've been under the impression for years that posting gameplay footage is not a specific violation of copyrights mainly a fair use of the copyrighted material. I'm going to have to look into this further.

 

EDIT 2: The legality of posting gameplay footage is something that has not been properly tested in the courts yet. Fair use is a possible defense against a lawsuit, however, in US courts, fair use would be an affirmative defense, meaning it's an uphill battle for the defendant. The argument can definitely be made, but sites such as Youtube are not going to go through a long, drawn out, and expensive legal battle over something that is not likely to increase their revenue. This means companies like Jagex can cry copyright infringement on any vid they want and they'll get their way.

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