Dung Attack training

[LitterBug]

He plays runescape. Of course he bots.

 

Anyway, you were completely wrong about everything you said just now.

 

Maul > CLS > Rapier @ Graardor? No. The reverse is true. (If maxed)

 

Jagex are bad at balancing weapons and the only people that insist CLS is better for ANYTHING are the idiots that bought one without doing some simple maths or fact checking first. Rapier outdamages the CLS for literally anything in the game, including graardor. (If maxed)

 

There has been extensive research on this topic.

CLS > Rapier on Graardor

[Tenebri]

Don't train attack with Dungeoneering.

 

 

this

 

your dungeoneering, = do best for dungeoneering, your only 90 strength you still have alot more to go so carry on with strength

 

attk you can do while slayer

[Knoll_Saleh]

Don't train attack with Dungeoneering.

 

 

this

 

your dungeoneering, = do best for dungeoneering, your only 90 strength you still have alot more to go so carry on with strength

 

attk you can do while slayer

 

Okay... I guess that works as well...

[Lose No Hope]

He plays runescape. Of course he bots.

 

Anyway, you were completely wrong about everything you said just now.

 

Maul > CLS > Rapier @ Graardor? No. The reverse is true. (If maxed)

 

Jagex are bad at balancing weapons and the only people that insist CLS is better for ANYTHING are the idiots that bought one without doing some simple maths or fact checking first. Rapier outdamages the CLS for literally anything in the game, including graardor. (If maxed)

Care to cite where you got that false information from?

[Ellac]

You made a thread in the Help & Advice forum and people gave you the best solution. They also gave you advice on where better to train. I don't get why you won't accept that.

[Hedgehog]

He plays runescape. Of course he bots.

 

Anyway, you were completely wrong about everything you said just now.

 

Maul > CLS > Rapier @ Graardor? No. The reverse is true. (If maxed)

 

Jagex are bad at balancing weapons and the only people that insist CLS is better for ANYTHING are the idiots that bought one without doing some simple maths or fact checking first. Rapier outdamages the CLS for literally anything in the game, including graardor. (If maxed)

 

http://[Censored - Don't use a URL shortner]/AcpwM

 

What even is research?

[Knoll_Saleh]

You made a thread in the Help & Advice forum and people gave you the best solution. They also gave you advice on where better to train. I don't get why you won't accept that.

I don't see where your not seeing that I said, well I guess that works... I was just wanting to keep my stats even then everyone is all "your an idiot for playing like that" so what ever.

haters gunna hate.

[ghjkl]

He plays runescape. Of course he bots.

 

Anyway, you were completely wrong about everything you said just now.

 

Maul > CLS > Rapier @ Graardor? No. The reverse is true. (If maxed)

 

Jagex are bad at balancing weapons and the only people that insist CLS is better for ANYTHING are the idiots that bought one without doing some simple maths or fact checking first. Rapier outdamages the CLS for literally anything in the game, including graardor. (If maxed)

 

http://[Censored - Don't use a URL shortner]/AcpwM

 

What even is research?

something that apparently breaks rules

[LitterBug]

Everybody is just trying to give you sound advice.

 

Dungeoneering is a long skill (lvl 120) and you might as well try to do it as fast as possible.

Like everybody said, tactician decreases your dps by tons (especially against things like skeletons/hellhounds/etc that you should be crushing and not slashing.

Having a tactician ring means that you're only ever on slash (or you could be on crush but without the bonus)

 

It's kind of like setting out to train firemaking.

But rather then buying logs to burn then, you're just using an adze and powerdropping the logs.

 

Melee is extremely easy to train, on task you can easily slay up to 100k+ exp/hour.

You're barely getting any attack exp when you're training DG so you might as well focus on making your DG experience faster and using the saved time to go train melee (and slayer)

[Powerfrog]

He plays runescape. Of course he bots.

 

Anyway, you were completely wrong about everything you said just now.

 

Maul > CLS > Rapier @ Graardor? No. The reverse is true. (If maxed)

 

Jagex are bad at balancing weapons and the only people that insist CLS is better for ANYTHING are the idiots that bought one without doing some simple maths or fact checking first. Rapier outdamages the CLS for literally anything in the game, including graardor. (If maxed)

 

http://[Censored - Don't use a URL shortner]/AcpwM

 

What even is research?

That doesn't equate for overkill. Or the fact that you're often 'half a cls attack' when the rapier would deliver the killing blow, which makes the actual DPS meaningless. And he was using piety. And he didn't mention his potions. And it is a rather small sample size.

 

I stand by rapier being better in a maxed gear solo.

[Lose No Hope]

He plays runescape. Of course he bots.

 

Anyway, you were completely wrong about everything you said just now.

 

Maul > CLS > Rapier @ Graardor? No. The reverse is true. (If maxed)

 

Jagex are bad at balancing weapons and the only people that insist CLS is better for ANYTHING are the idiots that bought one without doing some simple maths or fact checking first. Rapier outdamages the CLS for literally anything in the game, including graardor. (If maxed)

 

http://[Censored - Don't use a URL shortner]/AcpwM

 

What even is research?

That doesn't equate for overkill. Or the fact that you're often 'half a cls attack' when the rapier would deliver the killing blow, which makes the actual DPS meaningless. And he was using piety. And he didn't mention his potions. And it is a rather small sample size.

 

I stand by rapier being better in a maxed gear solo.

He used piety because turmoil's initial boost would skew the data. He wouldn't use potions either because the increasing/decreasing of levels would skew data. Have you ever even collected data before?

 

Also, given the ~40% accuracy and ~48% accuracy, the sample size is enough to give a fairly accurate result.

 

You still haven't provided any data or any source that has data to support your claim.

[AHappySeeker]

EDIT: Nevermind. Misremembered the contents of the thread.

[LitterBug]

How would you solve the turmoil problem?

If you discount the first one or two hits, you would then have two monsters with the same stats but different hps to deal with.

This might be potentially bad because the overkill data would be a little skewed.

 

Regardless of having ovl/turmoil active - I don't think it would account for ~8% accuracy difference.

[Powerfrog]

How would you solve the turmoil problem?

If you discount the first one or two hits, you would then have two monsters with the same stats but different hps to deal with.

This might be potentially bad because the overkill data would be a little skewed.

 

Regardless of having ovl/turmoil active - I don't think it would account for ~8% accuracy difference.

It would certainly work in the rapiers' favour though. And as i said, overkill and finishing in 9 rapier hits instead of 8 CLS hits (Over 2 seconds faster) play a noticable role too.

 

I'd just test turmoil from the first hit to the last. It may be a little less bonus for that first hit, but that's exactly what it will be like when actually killing graardor, and i thought the point was to find the best weapon for the job when maxed, not a theoretical 'if this is true, then...'

 

Overloads do not decrease overtime (Alright they may drop by 1 for a hit or two) so i see no reason not to use them. Again, even if they used extremes and they did drop, as long as they were repotted at the same level with both weapons it would be a safe, realistic test.

[AHappySeeker]

No it wouldn't Lev worked out Graar's def stats and can extrapolate the data to make it valid for turmers with ovls. The conclusions in that thread are 100% relevant.

 

Which reminds me. Levon is a [bleep]ing hero.

[Quyneax]

The best way to train attack in dg is the same as the best way to train strength, that is, with a 2h/baxe and the appropriate class ring.

 

That said and as repeated here often it's not efficient to train attack in dungeoneering. Slayer will serve you well if you get it up to 80/90/99 to clear certain GDs. Powertraining is much faster than dungeoneering.

 

If you want to get a good weapon for team bosshunting, consider:

DKs: rapier

Tds: any

Graar: maul

Zilyana: maul

KQ: rapier or maul

K'ril: rapier

Kree: crossbow

Nex: crossbow

All minions: rapier

Giant mole: rapier

KBD: rapier

Slayer: rapier

Wyverns: cls

[Knoll_Saleh]

Thanks to all of you for the advice on this question.

[AHappySeeker]

so does that mean you won't get a CLS?

 

EDIT: "Any" on TDs is a bit questionable. Using a maul for prayer overkill, imo, is compulsory. Beyond that, it's widely held that the rapier does more DPS. The fact that it does that DPS in smaller increments than the CLS so that you have more opportunities to mau the last 1-2 hits of the TD's ranged prayer also definitely works in its favour.

[Knoll_Saleh]

so does that mean you won't get a CLS?

 

EDIT: "Any" on TDs is a bit questionable. Using a maul for prayer overkill, imo, is compulsory. Beyond that, it's widely held that the rapier does more DPS. The fact that it does that DPS in smaller increments than the CLS so that you have more opportunities to mau the last 1-2 hits of the TD's ranged prayer also definitely works in its favour.

 

Well currently I cant go to TDs, but yes I will get the rapier. I was going mostly off the fact that I heard cls for bosses and rapier for slayer. But I guess I was wrong about that. Oh well. Thanks