01-Sep-11 BTS September

[Urza285]

So many haters geez.

[Arthu]

So many haters geez.

 

For a reason.

 

The product jagex has used to sell to us for many years that has any gameplay impact has been MEMBERSHIP.

 

Now, the membership isn't only enough - got to be member yes... but some more time... what about some more? How about even a little more?

 

 

What can be expect next? Safest to wait for the worst. The company has changed, and their methods have changed. The game will change, too.

[Alg]

What can be expect next? Safest to wait for the worst. The company has changed, and their methods have changed. The game will change, too.

The MMO landscape has changed. If Jagex didn't try to keep up, it'd probably mean a much more certain death for Runescape than the way they're going now.

[SwreeTak]

I'm surprised it didn't cost us money to read the BTS

Or get some cool new 1337 gear just for reading it. But only if you're a member. And pay with a credit card. At Game Stop.

That made me lol. But really, that bad isn't it. Or...?

:)

[sijan]

I'm surprised it didn't cost us money to read the BTS

Or get some cool new 1337 gear just for reading it. But only if you're a member. And pay with a credit card. At Game Stop.

That made me lol. But really, that bad isn't it. Or...?

:)

I can remember when the quality of the actual gameplay was the most important thing in Jagex's mind (or at least that's how they made it seem, and did a good enough job of that to make you believe it). That includes during the old days of Free Trade and the Wilderness.

 

Nowadays, the dollar seems to be a much bigger concern. How can we get more members? How can we keep the ones we have? How we can do it with the least cost/expenditure of resources?

 

The current answers to those questions seem to contain the words 'If we use this gimmick...'

 

Getting rid of bots = loss of revenue. Providing real, quality content < providing glitzy, flashy stuff that really add value to the game.

 

Don't get me wrong. I'm not in favor of a new, glorious Runescape dedicated to the advancement of the Socialist Workers Utopia or anything. Every company has a right to make a profit, but things seem to be run by bean counters now, looking to squeeze every dollar out of their intellectual property, which they have a right to do. There isn't a whole lot of love given to the actual players right now (ie, there's no 'by gamers, for gamers' feel to things anymore.)

 

If the game continues down the current path, the people who play it will find something else to do with their time and their $5-6/month, because Jagex won't be providing a quality, fun product anymore. That's not hate. That's simple economics. Provide me a good product for a good value, and I'm yours. Make things so difficult for me to play that I won't enjoy myself, and I'll spend my money somewhere else.

[Urza285]

I've been playing runescape for about ten years now. I understand what Jagex has been doing and I also understand to what degree they've gone to get sales and hows its effected their game.

 

Just like when we get visited by solicitors I think we need to take the passive approach by shrugging of their advances to walk through our doorsteps to demonstrate their product. What I'm saying is that, as a consumer, we know what we want and do not want to buy, and are aware of our rights, and with how fierce the market competition can be and how that takes its toll on the customer I think we need to learn to shrug things off. Because we are their customers and we are involved in their "world" that is called runescape we have to deal with their solicitations unless we choose to not play any more. I also understand Jagex marketing attempts are much more direct than other MMO's and it can be pestering and I don't mean to demean anyones feelings towards being pestered to buy membership.

[sijan]

I've been playing runescape for about ten years now. I understand what Jagex has been doing and I also understand to what degree they've gone to get sales and hows its effected their game.

 

Just like when we get visited by solicitors I think we need to take the passive approach by shrugging of their advances to walk through our doorsteps to demonstrate their product. What I'm saying is that, as a consumer, we know what we want and do not want to buy, and are aware of our rights, and with how fierce the market competition can be and how that takes its toll on the customer I think we need to learn to shrug things off. Because we are their customers and we are involved in their "world" that is called runescape we have to deal with their solicitations unless we choose to not play any more. I also understand Jagex marketing attempts are much more direct than other MMO's and it can be pestering and I don't mean to demean anyones feelings towards being pestered to buy membership.

I have no issue with them marketing memberships. I'm quite capable of ignoring marketing materials.

 

It's when it's at the expense of the actual product that my problem begins.

 

Or when any membership sold, even to a botted account, is considered a good membership sold.

 

In both those cases, the value of the product I am paying for is diminished, or at least perceived to be, by me, the customer. At some point, the value of said product drops below the price I've been paying for it, and I go do something else with my time, along with the 5 other living people that still play. :wink:

[Deathknell]

I've been playing runescape for about ten years now. I understand what Jagex has been doing and I also understand to what degree they've gone to get sales and hows its effected their game.

 

Just like when we get visited by solicitors I think we need to take the passive approach by shrugging of their advances to walk through our doorsteps to demonstrate their product. What I'm saying is that, as a consumer, we know what we want and do not want to buy, and are aware of our rights, and with how fierce the market competition can be and how that takes its toll on the customer I think we need to learn to shrug things off. Because we are their customers and we are involved in their "world" that is called runescape we have to deal with their solicitations unless we choose to not play any more. I also understand Jagex marketing attempts are much more direct than other MMO's and it can be pestering and I don't mean to demean anyones feelings towards being pestered to buy membership.

 

I've known you since Classic, lol. You can shrug off the individual things they do, but over time it begins to feel like a gradual change of belief structure which makes me, for one, rather nervous.

[HunterDexter]

Hey, I don't know if it is any recent, but I'll post it here anyways. I was doing a scanning clue in Brimhaven dungeon, when I suddenly saw this hole. I don't remember it from any quests, you can't enter it, there's no dungeon behind it to be seen. So, does anyone know what it is or what it does?

If I recall correctly, not so long ago there was a little patch note about Brimhaven dungeon, but I can't seem to find it.

Just pure speculation now, but could it be related to ROTM?

 

 

Also, note the last lines in my textbox, you receive that message when you try to "jump the hole". I'm wearing Karam Gloves 3, so I don't think it's a diary reward.

[Platinum_Myr]

Hey, I don't know if it is any recent, but I'll post it here anyways. I was doing a scanning clue in Brimhaven dungeon, when I suddenly saw this hole. I don't remember it from any quests, you can't enter it, there's no dungeon behind it to be seen. So, does anyone know what it is or what it does?

If I recall correctly, not so long ago there was a little patch note about Brimhaven dungeon, but I can't seem to find it.

Just pure speculation now, but could it be related to ROTM?

 

Also, note the last lines in my textbox, you receive that message when you try to "jump the hole". I'm wearing Karam Gloves 3, so I don't think it's a diary reward.

 

It might be karamja lv4 gloves?

 

Karamja gloves 4 when worn

 

25% chance of receiving double tickets in the Brimhaven Agility Arena

Double damage against wild dogs in Brimhaven Dungeon

Access to a Brimhaven Dungeon shortcut to the red dragons

 

I imagine that's the shortcut to red dragons maybe?

[HunterDexter]

Hmmm, might be right. :P