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RuneVillage - Removed as gold status because owner is a sex offender


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I can understand why Jagex did this. Giving a fan site ANY "official" rank (platinum, gold, silver, etc.) is supporting them. If this were to come to light without Jagex's announcement, I'm sure there would be many concerned, upset, and even outraged parents/users that Jagex is supporting a site run by a sex offender. That being said, I'm not totally sure I agree with the way Jagex went about it. Ideally, I think it would have been best for Jagex to have contacted RuneVillage and discussed the issue privately for at least a few days before acting. They could have given RuneVillage the option of having the leader step down to retain gold status and avoid having their name/reputation slandered.
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I can understand why Jagex did this. Giving a fan site ANY "official" rank (platinum, gold, silver, etc.) is supporting them. If this were to come to light, I'm sure there would be many concerned, upset, and even outraged parents/users. That being said, I'm not totally sure I agree with the way Jagex went about it. Ideally, I think it would have been best for Jagex to have contacted RuneVillage and discussed the issue privately for at least a few days before acting. They could have given RuneVillage the option of having the leader step down to retain gold status and avoid having their name/reputation slandered.


I agree with Tripsis on this one.

To me, it's almost like Jagex went out of their way to publicly humiliate him. I mean, half of the user base haven't even heard of RuneVillage, nevermind knew the person in question. The fact that they had to close registrations because of the shear flow of users joining just to simply troll him shows something. Judging by the fact that his name AND address can be easily found due to the nature of the charge, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't face similar problems in real life.

I think that some sort of public notice should have been made, but it should have been made by Rune Village rather than Jagex. They could've made their own announcement about it, so that only the userbase affected will hear about it.

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Agreed with Killerred and Tripsis. I think a public announcement would have been good somewhere such as the forums, but only after giving Runevillage notice of their actions and intentions.
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It's a disgusting matter that's the only way you can see it as, but I just hope that people do not reflect on RuneVillage as a bad place because of one individual. My early days of Runescape started with RuneVillage, it was a decent community and in truth it still is, it's only problem is that it is now pretty much dead and this matter will only hurt it further.

I'm glad the person involved could show a bit of honesty, and we'll never know the full truth, but it must have been around awhile and RuneVillage will change, as far as i'm concerned it's done and dusted and shouldn't stigmatised the community that has been built.

As far as i'm concerned, things should carry on as they are. [cabbage] happens.

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Unfortunate, but I won't judge the guy. Jagex are doing the sensible thing on this and withdrawing support, something I think any parents would be happy with.

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A popular site a few years ago. Perhaps labeling it sex offender is a bit misleading, but nonetheless a crime.

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Yikes! :ohnoes: I've never heard of runevillage, but that doesn't sound good at all. You're right, it will probably get more attention.
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Not sure i agree with Jagex broadcasting that, should have just been Jagex sending that to runevillage, not to the community. Because no one honestly cares runevillage isn't a "gold" site. They now just care that there's a sex offender that owns it. Makes it look like Jagex just going the extra mile to diss on runevillage.


If jgaex didn't say anything theories would spread and jagex would get dissed for demoting a site for no reason.
Also they need to make it clear they are no associated with such people, it could effect investment given they are aimed at the teen market.

So you think if someone employed by jagex was found to be a sex offender jagex would send out a post "making clear" of the situation? Or do you think they'd quietly fire the person and internally deal with it? I'd imagine the later of scenarios to happen.
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I also found a recent newspaper article from 2010 about the specific person in question - it probably drew attention to the issue:http://nashvillecity...st-sex-offender


The byline in that story is dated February 16, 2010 - 18 months ago.

When did the fansite status program start?
Why did it take 18 months for Jagex to take this action?
Just how much research goes into the fansite status program?
Can we expect Jagex to be doing background checks on all fansite operators? Staff members?

While I don't disagree with what they did, it does open a can of worms.

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I also found a recent newspaper article from 2010 about the specific person in question - it probably drew attention to the issue:
http://nashvillecity...st-sex-offender


The byline in that story is dated February 16, 2010 - 18 months ago.


When did the fansite status program start?
Why did it take 18 months for Jagex to take this action?
Just how much research goes into the fansite status program?
Can we expect Jagex to be doing background checks on all fansite operators? Staff members?


While I don't disagree with what they did, it does open a can of worms.


Damn you have a point. I mean if this story was published 18 months ago dont you think Jagex was a little late to the program?

It also disappoints me that they, like previously said, didnt offer to go into quiet and private negotiations and they instantly went public with it. A bad move on their part.
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Not sure i agree with Jagex broadcasting that, should have just been Jagex sending that to runevillage, not to the community. Because no one honestly cares runevillage isn't a "gold" site. They now just care that there's a sex offender that owns it. Makes it look like Jagex just going the extra mile to diss on runevillage.


If jgaex didn't say anything theories would spread and jagex would get dissed for demoting a site for no reason.
Also they need to make it clear they are no associated with such people, it could effect investment given they are aimed at the teen market.

So you think if someone employed by jagex was found to be a sex offender jagex would send out a post "making clear" of the situation? Or do you think they'd quietly fire the person and internally deal with it? I'd imagine the later of scenarios to happen.


The difference is huge so comparing the two is nearly pointless, however I will humour you and explain them. A Jagex worker in their role as staff generally has no links with the public, bar the community management team. This means there is no need for them to know such details, as once somebody has served their time, unless in a role which brings them into contact with children, it should remain in the past. Staff are also not often know, again, bar community management and high profile developers. When one leaves, very few people outside of Jagex know. The Runevillage Admin on the other hand, in his role as administrator had very close contact, and a responsibility to have close contact with the public, of which a major portion could be children. The Admin also possibly has unrestricted access to personal details of users of the forum. Unlike Jagex staff leaving, when Runevillage loses it's gold status, it is very public and people notice. Due to this, Jagex had to either give reasons or be subject to wild speculation which could possibly give them very bad publicity.



I also found a recent newspaper article from 2010 about the specific person in question - it probably drew attention to the issue:
http://nashvillecity...st-sex-offender


The byline in that story is dated February 16, 2010 - 18 months ago.


When did the fansite status program start?
Why did it take 18 months for Jagex to take this action?
Just how much research goes into the fansite status program?
Can we expect Jagex to be doing background checks on all fansite operators? Staff members?


While I don’t disagree with what they did, it does open a can of worms.


To answer this, The article is from a small, fairly local papers website. Jagex are not superheroes, they cannot possibly scour every nook and cranny of the internet. They probably do not know the full names of administrators (Which could change due to this, who knows), meaning unless somebody tells them, they have to rely on good faith.
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'Sexual offender' is such a broad term that it makes it difficult to gauge the severity of what was done. You can get labeled as a sexual offender from urinating on a tree.

What actually happened?

He distributed pics of teens.


Honestly? I don't give a flying [bleep], Jagex shouldn't judge people on their past mistakes, especially people who have paid for them already.
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To answer this, The article is from a small, fairly local papers website. Jagex are not superheroes, they cannot possibly scour every nook and cranny of the internet. They probably do not know the full names of administrators (Which could change due to this, who knows), meaning unless somebody tells them, they have to rely on good faith.

FWIW, the US Government does maintain a Federal level database which is not dependent on small local newspapers. I can't speak for other countries

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If you are a convicted sex offender, you are required by law to live a certain distance away from schools, bus stops, etc. In the broadest sense of the law, an offender is not supposed to go out of his way to attract children (such as putting toys in the yard, trick-or-treating candy on Halloween, etc.)

I guess it all depends on whether you think RuneVillage was targeted at minors or over-18 players. While it's quite likely that nothing at all improper was going on over there, the point is that the individual probably shouldn't have been running the site at all. He should have known better.

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@ Crossed Body:

If you are a convicted sex offender, you are required by law to live a certain distance away from schools, bus stops, etc. In the broadest sense of the law, an offender is not supposed to go out of his way to attract children (such as puting toys in the yard, trick-or-treating candy on Halloween, etc.)

I guess it all depends on whether you think RuneVillage was targeted at minors or over-18 players. While it's quite likely that nothing at all improper was going on over there, the point is that the individual probably shouldn't have been running the site at all. He should have known better.

At the time of the offense, what he did was not considered a "sex offense". And it does not work that way in many, many countries.
But this is not an issue of law, it's an issue of Jagex digging around skeletons in people's closets when they have no right to do so.
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But this is not an issue of law, it's an issue of Jagex digging around skeletons in people's closets when they have no right to do so.

They have every right to do so. This guy's name is clearly on the site (so it's not like they honestly had to search that hard)

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and IMO they have every right to check out the fan sites that they are officially recognizing and supporting.

Besides, we don't even know how Jagex found this information. Maybe they decided to do background checks on all the fan sites, which is a little weird, but they're fully within their rights to do that. Or maybe they received a tip from someone? We just don't know.
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@ Crossed Body:

If you are a convicted sex offender, you are required by law to live a certain distance away from schools, bus stops, etc. In the broadest sense of the law, an offender is not supposed to go out of his way to attract children (such as puting toys in the yard, trick-or-treating candy on Halloween, etc.)

I guess it all depends on whether you think RuneVillage was targeted at minors or over-18 players. While it's quite likely that nothing at all improper was going on over there, the point is that the individual probably shouldn't have been running the site at all. He should have known better.

At the time of the offense, what he did was not considered a "sex offense". And it does not work that way in many, many countries.
But this is not an issue of law, it's an issue of Jagex digging around skeletons in people's closets when they have no right to do so.


They have every right to do so. When they are actively supporting a fansite, they are actively sending users to it. If the owner and admin of said forum is a convicted sex offender, no matter what their offence, you do not under any circumstances send children to that site. Had they not done so, there would be many more questions to be asked and Jagex would seriously lose support from parents of younger players.

Lordkafei makes a good point, he will have been actively told not to be involved in anything bringing him in contact with children, he really should have known better.
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So why didn't they give the site a chance at retaining their status instead of making the site look like they supported, let alone condoned this from their admin?

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Child pornography? He should be shot.

"child" is anyone under 18. Plenty of 14-17 year olds are having sex...sometimes with adults, and sending nude pictures, etc. Not condoning it, but your lack of understanding all this makes your wild claim ludicrous.

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Well, Jagex is a company, not a government. That means they can judge anyone for anything past or present. And frankly, I don't care if thise guy is humiliated. I don't care about the legality of it. It was and still is an immoral thing to do and Jagex clearly said they must follow what they consider moral obligations.
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