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Could I post a game idea/setting/mechanics if I have no interest in actually GMing?


Of course :) I'll put it into Games in Storage so others will know it's free game to pick up and run it themselves.
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This place is either hibernating or dying. Can't tell which I'd [prefer.
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See this is why we needed the Back Room, because without it not only is the place a lot less active, but also because it keeps the games alive longer for some reason.

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I had been planning (and working on little by litte) a game to run. I've just run into things IRL, both serious and casual that have drawn my attention elsewhere for the time being. So eventually, that'll be one more game up and running, but for now, it would appear the Tavern is in "hibernation" as Earth put it.
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See this is why we needed the Back Room, because without it not only is the place a lot less active, but also because it keeps the games alive longer for some reason.

I have to agree with this. This has to be the first time I've checked this forum in over a week, and I only did it because I noticed Earth's post when I was scrolling to T&C. At least with the back room people had a reason to come here daily.

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See this is why we needed the Back Room, because without it not only is the place a lot less active, but also because it keeps the games alive longer for some reason.

I have to agree with this. This has to be the first time I've checked this forum in over a week, and I only did it because I noticed Earth's post when I was scrolling to T&C. At least with the back room people had a reason to come here daily.


While the Back Room may have been the reason for the Tavern's "activity", this really isn't an off-topic forum, as that was the majority of the activity. It is a serious games/roleplaying forum. Yes, there isn't any real activity aside from the pathfinder game, but this is only temporary, hopefully.

I personally don't see why we should allow the Back Room back for the sake of activity if that activity is going to be more negative posting. It'll do more harm than good. Even if the Tavern slows down for a while, there will always be someone to come in and spark up an idea or two.

tl;dr, We don't need activity for the sake of activity if it's going to be negative activity.
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I agree with Iey. We shouldn't confuse activity with achievement.


Personally...people have moved on, so while we can come up with new games and such, we don't have the people to play them.

I don't think its going to revive itself, and short of 5 fresh-eyed roleplayers appearing from the ether I don't think it can be revived. (And even with these 5 fresh roleplayers I would imagine the innevitable arguments between the old-timers would drive them away again.)


So my opinion is to let it die rather than trying to keep it alive with a diminishing population. Maybe, in the future, a new roleplaying forum will be opened and a new crowd start new games...until then, the Tavern just scares people off.


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See this is why we needed the Back Room, because without it not only is the place a lot less active, but also because it keeps the games alive longer for some reason.

I have to agree with this. This has to be the first time I've checked this forum in over a week, and I only did it because I noticed Earth's post when I was scrolling to T&C. At least with the back room people had a reason to come here daily.


While the Back Room may have been the reason for the Tavern's "activity", this really isn't an off-topic forum, as that was the majority of the activity. It is a serious games/roleplaying forum. Yes, there isn't any real activity aside from the pathfinder game, but this is only temporary, hopefully.

I personally don't see why we should allow the Back Room back for the sake of activity if that activity is going to be more negative posting. It'll do more harm than good. Even if the Tavern slows down for a while, there will always be someone to come in and spark up an idea or two.

tl;dr, We don't need activity for the sake of activity if it's going to be negative activity.

Well the Back Room didn't just cause its own activity, it also helped keep the actual games alive, and short of the fights that broke out over the misunderstanding of my stories and its use as a blog by Lei, the activity there can't really be described as negative.

I think I'll take the effort to set up a new forum for us if there are enough people who want the community to stay and are just discouraged from posting by how we have lost a lot of activity through the loss of our off-topic thread.
Also that way we can set up matches and events for games that aren't on the forum without angering the mods and admin with posts that are off from the subforum topic or against these strict forum rules we have here.

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Surprisingly, I agree with Mather. The point of the Tavern was community, not solely to play roleplaying games. It was to play roleplaying games with community.

There are many boards that I play on other than this one for the games, but I still stick around because there's still the chance the community will be revived.
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See this is why we needed the Back Room, because without it not only is the place a lot less active, but also because it keeps the games alive longer for some reason.

I have to agree with this. This has to be the first time I've checked this forum in over a week, and I only did it because I noticed Earth's post when I was scrolling to T&C. At least with the back room people had a reason to come here daily.


While the Back Room may have been the reason for the Tavern's "activity", this really isn't an off-topic forum, as that was the majority of the activity. It is a serious games/roleplaying forum. Yes, there isn't any real activity aside from the pathfinder game, but this is only temporary, hopefully.

I personally don't see why we should allow the Back Room back for the sake of activity if that activity is going to be more negative posting. It'll do more harm than good. Even if the Tavern slows down for a while, there will always be someone to come in and spark up an idea or two.

tl;dr, We don't need activity for the sake of activity if it's going to be negative activity.

Well the Back Room didn't just cause its own activity, it also helped keep the actual games alive, and short of the fights that broke out over the misunderstanding of my stories and its use as a blog by Lei, the activity there can't really be described as negative.

I think I'll take the effort to set up a new forum for us if there are enough people who want the community to stay and are just discouraged from posting by how we have lost a lot of activity through the loss of our off-topic thread.
Also that way we can set up matches and events for games that aren't on the forum without angering the mods and admin with posts that are off from the subforum topic or against these strict forum rules we have here.

I am confused what you mean, since the Tavern is running exactly the same as it always has, that the only effect of getting rid of the Back Room was an abundance of new games. If you haven't noticed, The Tavern tends to start new games in bunches because when one person posts an idea it pushes others to post ideas, its just that life tends to pop up and kill the game, with either the person running it being unable to do so or issues arrising from any of the following: too much time between actions, too high of activity requirements, too much time requirements. For example, the main reason why An Ocean of a Problem has managed to run for so long is that it is a weekly game that runs live and I am fine with people just not showing up for sessions if they are busy and am able to proceed without them being present. (Hegemony is technically a counter example as it fails these requirements, but the game itself is unsustainable for maintaining activity in the long term for other reasons I have explained before) Really the only way to get people to ever come to the Tavern to solve the issue with a small player base is if we actually start running games, which I don't see either of you(Mather and Retech) actually trying. If anyone really wants to try running more games feel free to ask me for advice, I simply cannot run more than 1 game at a time and do not intend to run another game in the future.

Yes, playing RPGs with a community is generally preferable to playing it with random players all the time, however the Backroom towards its end was only destroying the last shreds of what had been the Falador Tavern community, which means restoring the Backroom would be extremely counterproductive for restoring the way the Tavern used to be.

Edit: Also what exactly do you mean about the forum rules being strict? Unless you really have an issue with being told to post in the right place for getting people to play a game outside of the forums (In which case posting in the right place would get you more players, or if you refuse to play with anyone besides the small group of Taverners it would be easier to simply private message them) or being unable to post pirated content (In which case you would probably be surpised to learn that you cannot do that even on your own private webpages, what with it being illegal pretty much everywhere) I don't really see what issues the rules would present.
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I am confused what you mean, since the Tavern is running exactly the same as it always has, that the only effect of getting rid of the Back Room was an abundance of new games. If you haven't noticed, The Tavern tends to start new games in bunches because when one person posts an idea it pushes others to post ideas, its just that life tends to pop up and kill the game, with either the person running it being unable to do so or issues arrising from any of the following: too much time between actions, too high of activity requirements, too much time requirements. For example, the main reason why An Ocean of a Problem has managed to run for so long is that it is a weekly game that runs live and I am fine with people just not showing up for sessions if they are busy and am able to proceed without them being present. (Hegemony is technically a counter example as it fails these requirements, but the game itself is unsustainable for maintaining activity in the long term for other reasons I have explained before) Really the only way to get people to ever come to the Tavern to solve the issue with a small player base is if we actually start running games, which I don't see either of you(Mather and Retech) actually trying. If anyone really wants to try running more games feel free to ask me for advice, I simply cannot run more than 1 game at a time and do not intend to run another game in the future.

Yes, playing RPGs with a community is generally preferable to playing it with random players all the time, however the Backroom towards its end was only destroying the last shreds of what had been the Falador Tavern community, which means restoring the Backroom would be extremely counterproductive for restoring the way the Tavern used to be.

Edit: Also what exactly do you mean about the forum rules being strict? Unless you really have an issue with being told to post in the right place for getting people to play a game outside of the forums (In which case posting in the right place would get you more players, or if you refuse to play with anyone besides the small group of Taverners it would be easier to simply private message them) or being unable to post pirated content (In which case you would probably be surpised to learn that you cannot do that even on your own private webpages, what with it being illegal pretty much everywhere) I don't really see what issues the rules would present.

If you haven't noticed, there are three games running, two of which haven't updated in at least half a week, we used to have close to 5 full sessions per week as well as one or more Hegemonies. The Back Room being killed contributed to that, as it gave us a way to converse and help eachother with problems that would otherwise have prevented a session, it also produced a steady supply of posts, meaning that we had a reason to check up on the Tavern more frequently and thus remain fully active.

And the forum rules are strict, in fact they are unnecessarily so even for a site that's supposed to be suitable for 13-year-olds. And no, while linking to pirated content is usually against forum rules, it does not break any actual laws, what is illegal is actively distributing the material, as ThePiratebay have so frequently reminded those companies bold enough to file a lawsuit.
There's also the censors, which remove half the sense of personality in some posts, they're even sensitive enough to trigger at a slight typo, such as [garden tool][bleep]er (hot water without the space).

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Yup.

Mather, post a link to your new forum when you create it.
You will be free of the tedious 'rules' that the 'tyrannical admin' 'force' us to obey.


As to the 'community restarting'...There is near enough zero chance...Lets be honest, Retech and Mather are the only people who have consistantly played games they were in (and are still around).
Ross left, Grim has other commitments, Dusty left, Doom left, Spork/Stork are unreliable/left, Ico is unreliable, Nex is unreliable, I am a god awful player, Wyvern seems uninterested, Earth left, Mask and Iey are unknowns...

Basically there is a population of 4 people (Retech, Mather, Mask, Iey), one of which needs to be the GM, so 3 players.

The Tavern had a good run...A Golden Age of Hegemony and Dungeoneering, and a Silver Age of Hegemony(Retech/Dusty) and Space...A Bronze Age is possible, but I can't see it.


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If you haven't noticed, there are three games running, two of which haven't updated in at least half a week, we used to have close to 5 full sessions per week as well as one or more Hegemonies. The Back Room being killed contributed to that, as it gave us a way to converse and help eachother with problems that would otherwise have prevented a session, it also produced a steady supply of posts, meaning that we had a reason to check up on the Tavern more frequently and thus remain fully active.


???... Are we talking about the same sub-forum? Looking at the most recent 2 games besides My own, it seems there has been no activity for 2 weeks on either (One due to technical issues, and the other presumably because people never posted, including one who has posted within the last 12 hours), and it is hardly the removal of the Backroom that caused the current lack of games, because as most people should be able to remember, the Tavern had roughly the same amount of game activity prior to it being removed; Bringing back the Backroom is not a magic solution to the problems that the Tavern is facing, At best bringing it back would have no difference but more likely it would just start making people get fed up and quit the Tavern like it had been doing before it was closed. You will have to jog my memory on a time when the Backroom helped people with problems that would have prevented a session, because I really cannot think of anytime that anything like this ever happened. Speaking from my personal experience with the Backroom, if anything it made me pay attention to the Tavern less, as I simply skimmed over 50% or so of the posts due to the rest being pointless arguing and conversations that should have been elsewhere that had nothing to do with the Tavern.
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Spork/Stork are unreliable/left

I take offense to that :P

But really, I try to be a reliable player when there's something I'll play. As for GMing, I'm gonna be honest - I usually plan too deep into things, then end up seeing the task of GMing as too large due to my plans and just say 'screw that'.
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Maybe something should be done to make it easier for new players to find out about the Tavern and get into any games that are currently running?

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Yup.

Mather, post a link to your new forum when you create it.
You will be free of the tedious 'rules' that the 'tyrannical admin' 'force' us to obey.


As to the 'community restarting'...There is near enough zero chance...Lets be honest, Retech and Mather are the only people who have consistantly played games they were in (and are still around).
Ross left, Grim has other commitments, Dusty left, Doom left, Spork/Stork are unreliable/left, Ico is unreliable, Nex is unreliable, I am a god awful player, Wyvern seems uninterested, Earth left, Mask and Iey are unknowns...

Basically there is a population of 4 people (Retech, Mather, Mask, Iey), one of which needs to be the GM, so 3 players.

The Tavern had a good run...A Golden Age of Hegemony and Dungeoneering, and a Silver Age of Hegemony(Retech/Dusty) and Space...A Bronze Age is possible, but I can't see it.

I pretty much agree with Archi. Though mark my unreliability down to apathy, and Earth can't play since his mother ripped his computer in half out of rage.

The Tavern was the best time I've had on the internet since Mabinogi's Bardic Age, and if it's dying it's dying a much happier death than that. The Tavern needs to remain a group though, I'd say Facebook if I thought any of us used that.

I'm on Infrno now as well, they're a pretty good roleplay community, much more face to face than we are and don't have an established PbP forum yet though. If anyone wants to try that out, it might be fun.

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I haven't left.. I do admit that I haven't been posting much because my game would have used IRC to be easier. And only one person, Iey, actually tried it. .. With any enthusiasm. I asked Techy why he didn't want to try it. He said time. Time for the Tavern to die or come up with new people, new ideas, and new ammounts of fun. Archi did that several times. We can't come up with stuff that encompases all our interests, realistically. I don't know what else to say.
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I take offense to that :P


Earth can't play since his mother ripped his computer in half out of rage.

Humour is a good indicator for a good community.
Its hard to regain it during rule debates and rage attacks against Mather and Lei.

Maybe something should be done to make it easier for new players to find out about the Tavern and get into any games that are currently running?

Given our rocky history with...well...the rest of the forum...I am not sure how.
Also our current lack of games makes it difficult =P

Really, if we found some outside GM who came in with a game idea, and then people signed up, and stayed signed up...we could restart the forum.
Wyvern has achieved something with his game, but since he doesn't enjoy running it I can't say its sustainable.


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A lot of us are simply not GM material, being relatively average Highschool students.

Archi and Wyvren are by far the best potential GMs, but the former is... Archi... I don't know, I assume he's tired of it, and the latter is disenchanted with his player base.

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