NukeMarine Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Suprised this hasn't been brought up again. There were lots of future content discussed, tested and played at RuneFest. This even led to a delay in Dominion Tower so that necessary updates BASED ON THE PLAYER TESTING could be implemented. Tides did not reverse, the moon did not fall, kittens were not launched in the air. Yeah, there was likely a bigger price raise on the high level combat material, but that will happen regardless so when the shift occurs is arbitrary. Jagex has said time and again its debug team in month cannot match the very first hour of an update. Usually hundreds of thousands of player hours happen in a day on that update alone. They usually find a majority of problems then which could have been completely avoided with simple Beta. Isn't it finally time catastrophic bugs stop getting introduced into the game and likely mucking up the economy or even a player's hard earned bank? Yeah, I get it should not be an Open beta except for major changes. However, I'd assume Jagex is smart enough to have compiled a list of players that take part in specific areas of RS. Dependable accounts on that list can be invited for testing in that specific area being updated. It's only 6 years overdue. Learn how to Learn Japanese on your own - Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners in JapaneseStop Forgetting Stuff for College and Life - Anki - a program which makes remembering things easyReach Elite Fitness - CrossFit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwreeTak Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 My response to this is simple:YES! A beta release for major updates would be a great idea. Add me if you so wish: SwreeTak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukeMarine Posted November 1, 2011 Author Share Posted November 1, 2011 Added a poll Learn how to Learn Japanese on your own - Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners in JapaneseStop Forgetting Stuff for College and Life - Anki - a program which makes remembering things easyReach Elite Fitness - CrossFit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sohkmj1 Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I don't see why the hell not. They gave a beta of sorts to members for all their major graphical revamps (from RSC to RS2 and then RS2 to "HD" graphics), and that turned out quite well, caught loads of bugs and everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will H Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 This is a really good idea, and long overdue. There are thousands of people able and willing to beta test. Why not use that? ~ W ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essiw Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Where is the option in the poll that I don't care? :P http://sign.tip.it/1/2/79/260/essiw.png Retired item crew I would like to be credited as essiw at the website update & corrections forum. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assume Nothing Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I'm willing to accept the proposal, but I'm uncertain on the hidden shortfalls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omali Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I'm willing to accept the proposal, but I'm uncertain on the hidden shortfalls. Ultima Online has an economy similar to Runescape's and it manages to survive with a public test realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirror Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Yes please! This would be helpful to the QA team. I'd gladly spend some of my time to help out by beta testing. A reflection is just a distorted reality held by glass and your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utopia Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 On the topic of Dominion Tower; when can we expect that update? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essiw Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 On the topic of Dominion Tower; when can we expect that update?in about 40 minutes http://sign.tip.it/1/2/79/260/essiw.png Retired item crew I would like to be credited as essiw at the website update & corrections forum. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I'm willing to accept the proposal, but I'm uncertain on the hidden shortfalls. Ultima Online has an economy similar to Runescape's and it manages to survive with a public test realm.I would assume that Runescape's community is a bit... Different. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polodevil Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I do support this idea, as long as it does not replace the testing phase in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omali Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I'm willing to accept the proposal, but I'm uncertain on the hidden shortfalls. Ultima Online has an economy similar to Runescape's and it manages to survive with a public test realm.I would assume that Runescape's community is a bit... Different. Runescape's community will change. When they added a test server to Ultima Online, the same issues came up. The only thing that changes after all things considered is that the economy changes to match the updates a couple weeks earlier than it already would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TooOldForRS Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 But if only a certain few can participate in beta testing, and get a heads up on potential shifts in the economy, is that really fair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_R Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 It seems to work for other games. It would be nice to see them do this so bugs aren't found and exploited when it's officially released. But if only a certain few can participate in beta testing, and get a heads up on potential shifts in the economy, is that really fair?I hate the word "fair". It just halts all processes because some people want everything to be "fair". Not everything is/has to be fair. I just don't understand some people. :wall: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 It seems to work for other games. It would be nice to see them do this so bugs aren't found and exploited when it's officially released. But if only a certain few can participate in beta testing, and get a heads up on potential shifts in the economy, is that really fair?I hate the word "fair". It just halts all processes because some people want everything to be "fair". Not everything is/has to be fair. I just don't understand some people. :wall: In a game where "Fair" is effecting millions of people, it's perfectly acceptable to use. Going by what you're saying, if I was drafted to take part in a BETA test for a new update, and discovered that it would massively increase the price of a certain item, it's okay for me to stockpile 2B worth of that item? Is it okay to get rich off of that kind of knowledge? Is it acceptable? No. It's not. Everyone should be offered the same opportunities in this game, depending on whether or not they are members. RIP Michaelangelopolous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omali Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 But if only a certain few can participate in beta testing, and get a heads up on potential shifts in the economy, is that really fair? Why do people assume only a small portion will be able to get in? You open up testing to everyone, and I guarantee that (much like every other MMO with an open test server) only a small fraction will even want to use it. A segregated server that may or may not regularly wipe and only allow you to transfer a copy of your current character over. Like I said, let's say Jagex makes the whip more attractive. What's the difference between the whip prices going up on Saturday rather than Tuesday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_R Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 It seems to work for other games. It would be nice to see them do this so bugs aren't found and exploited when it's officially released. But if only a certain few can participate in beta testing, and get a heads up on potential shifts in the economy, is that really fair?I hate the word "fair". It just halts all processes because some people want everything to be "fair". Not everything is/has to be fair. I just don't understand some people. :wall: In a game where "Fair" is effecting millions of people, it's perfectly acceptable to use. Going by what you're saying, if I was drafted to take part in a BETA test for a new update, and discovered that it would massively increase the price of a certain item, it's okay for me to stockpile 2B worth of that item? Is it okay to get rich off of that kind of knowledge? Is it acceptable? No. It's not. Everyone should be offered the same opportunities in this game, depending on whether or not they are members.Jagex wouldn't be stupid enough to release a beta test to only selected players without telling everyone else what's involved in the update. They basically already do that now without opening a beta stage. And even they were, word would get out soon after beta was released. Also, what he said.Why do people assume only a small portion will be able to get in? You open up testing to everyone, and I guarantee that (much like every other MMO with an open test server) only a small fraction will even want to use it. A segregated server that may or may not regularly wipe and only allow you to transfer a copy of your current character over. Like I said, let's say Jagex makes the whip more attractive. What's the difference between the whip prices going up on Saturday rather than Tuesday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crocefisso Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I'm willing to accept the proposal, but I'm uncertain on the hidden shortfalls. Ultima Online has an economy similar to Runescape's and it manages to survive with a public test realm.I would assume that Runescape's community is a bit... Different.You would be right. Ultima Online is a lot older, a lot more mature, and a lot smaller. "Imagine yourself surrounded by the most horrible cripples and maniacs it is possible to conceive, and you may understand a little of my feelings with these grotesque caricatures of humanity about me." - H.G. Wells, The Island of Doctor Moreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War_Junky_91 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 If they do a Beta i would think it will be good to do it as a relatively small number of people. Like 1k to 4k players. Enough for a world or two. It should be a closed Beta that you get invited to. As for people making profit in anticipation of an event. Make the Beta close to when whatever will come out. (Do the Beta testing on Sat or Sun if its going to be released on monday). Plus make the fact that this knowledge is to be confidential and abusing it will lead to removal from the beta, bans of main accounts, etc. Jagex can monitor player transactions. If a player even used a 2nd account or friends to make profit that way it wouldn't be very hard to figure it out. I think a small, closed Beta would do wonders for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TooOldForRS Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 "The economic consequences will either happen the day beta testing opens up or the day the update comes out. It will happen either way, however the benefits of beta testing is it makes bugs much harder to slip through. " It is not WHEN the consequences happen, it is who gets to benefit from them. Example: A new activity is beta tested. A consequence of this activity is that whips will double in price. Those individuals who participated in the beta testing will have from the day they started testing, till the day the activity is released, to stockpile whips. "Why do people assume only a small portion will be able to get in? You open up testing to everyone, and I guarantee that (much like every other MMO with an open test server) only a small fraction will even want to use it" Let's see...when a new RS activity is released, do many people flock to that activity or not? OBVIOUSLY a TON of people flock to the activity. Just like they would with beta testing. To think otherwise, in my opinion, is simply naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blyaunte Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Question: Are there updates that can be beta-tested that don't or won't have any economic impact? Frankly, I don't see what, say, Dominion Tower would have on the economy, for example ... :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukeMarine Posted November 3, 2011 Author Share Posted November 3, 2011 Question: Are there updates that can be beta-tested that don't or won't have any economic impact? Frankly, I don't see what, say, Dominion Tower would have on the economy, for example ... :unsure: How I view it: Economic impact - it's impossible to gauge the full economic impact of any update. Jagex shouldn't second guess on this and just let the free market decide Closed beta - I think it's reasonable that what's being tested be made very public, even though not everyone will be testing out the beta servers. Players taking early advantage - there's little to worry about this as Jagex does not need to tell players when this particular item will be released. It could be the following week or in two months. Say a "Dragon Kite" beta test rolls out that requires a Dragon Square as part of the ingrediant to make. Do you hoard dragon squares for something that may take two days to two months before it's in the real game? What if Jagex does an non-beta change to the ingrediant so that it's entirely a drop instead. Basically, the benefits of a Beta far outway any economic impact. The economic impact itself won't be that large. In addition, what's in beta will not necessarily be what's soon released. Also, what's released may not have been tested in beta. Learn how to Learn Japanese on your own - Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners in JapaneseStop Forgetting Stuff for College and Life - Anki - a program which makes remembering things easyReach Elite Fitness - CrossFit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatebringer Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Obviously there should be a beta test server with a random lotto to be given out for players to test content, just like WoW does and just like most other large MMOs do, but jagex like to keep secrecy on their updates and probably won't ever do this. The entire time i have been playing they have yet to even say anything about beta testing. This is the first time ever and it was exclusive to RuneFest. 99 Fletching 99 Attack 99 Constitution 99 Cooking 99 StrengthGamertag: H8tebringer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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