Carl Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Breaking Dicing Today we have taken the step to disable dice in the game. From today they will no longer work, and next week we will remove them all from the game. This was due to the amount of scamming and general bad use of these ingame dice items. While we strongly believe that what you do with your treasure is entirely up to you, we have had to step in to deal with this issue. What do we mean by bad use of dice items? Well, gambling for GP was never the intention of the dice. There is no support for PvP gambling within RuneScape and we do not intent to add any. Gambling is a risky pastime and nobody should ever rely on gambling to make money. Also, there was a high degree of scamming or general bad behaviour when using dice, particularly since the removal of bots a few weeks ago. While we hope that players are streetwise enough to recognise a scam, its not always the case. Sometimes we have to step in and change the game.Apologies for not doing something sooner. Since we brought back free trade we really have tried to leave it up to the player to decide whats right and wrong. But the overwhelming feedback from the forums is that we have to just stop the problem. Dont gamble! There are too many people who will try to scam you or alter the odds in their favour. Its never supported by JAGEX unless its about gameplay (like the duel arena). Its likely that dice scammers will move over to another method of trying to scam you, so please, be vigilant and remember... if it sounds too good to be true, its probably a lie. Just dont do it. EDIT We have now removed some of the functionality of the magic skullball to the game. You are now only able to use the skullball for private readings and so it cant output the result to a chat channel anymore. Mod_markRuneScape Lead Designer [qfc]15-16-957-63375704[/qfc] RIP Michaelangelopolous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraMantisV2 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essiw Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Great :D http://sign.tip.it/1/2/79/260/essiw.png Retired item crew I would like to be credited as essiw at the website update & corrections forum. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syd Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 About time. :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezkaton Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Brilliant :D :thumbup: Reacting impulsively and saying what's on your mind feels oh so good.. for a little, until you realize you just started WWIII.2672nd person to reach 2496 total.Thanks to Wicked for the awesome siggy :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saradomin_Mage Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 I'm amazed. In real life MMO you don't get 99 smithing by making endless bronze daggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noobzy Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 :mrgreen: hehehe... protect the ignorant! "He really calls himself Noobz?" [hide=STATS][/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siobhana Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Goldsellers gone. Dicers gone. Autotypers mostly gone. Perhaps I can now have public chat on at GE without inducing epilepsia? :) Ty Jeppoz for making it. Thx to the Pup for finding it after it got lost :D And thx to Kill_Life and Turtle for the ava. Stoltenberg, 22/7-11: "We will retaliate with more democracy" In remembrance of Oslo/Utøya. May we never forget, nor be pulled down to the level of the beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukeMarine Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Ok, here's the list: Duel Arena, Item Flipping, Cat Arena. Yeah, no gp gambling there. Oh, right, Jagex offered a method for safe transfer of gambled funds without resorting to trust. Heavens forbid they do such things in game. Oh, but gambling is illegal. Wait, wait, so is: Stealing, killing, poisoning, corpse desecration, breaking and entering,insider trading and suicide. Yet, oh wait, I forgot, this is a fantasy game in a fantasy land where all these activities are legal. This was not about scamming, so quit trying to call it that. There was a problem that people could scam, but it would have been a simple fix like the duel arena offers. That said, there's no major harm in removing it. I'm just annoyed at their thinking and reasons. In addition, they can leave dice in the game, just remove it's use over chat. If players can't verify a roll by others, then dicing goes away naturally. PS: It still won't stop gambling. At least it'll curb an easy method of doing it. Learn how to Learn Japanese on your own - Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners in JapaneseStop Forgetting Stuff for College and Life - Anki - a program which makes remembering things easyReach Elite Fitness - CrossFit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miracleman58 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Oh shit Jagex. Nice move. 1593th to 99 Farming - July 08. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy_jim Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Wonderful :thumbup: RIP Michaelangelopolousu can control my tip it account, but youll never control how fine i am!This is by FAR my favorite song: I love N_odie and would never edit his posts! I love Rainy_Day too <3 And also Cowman_133. <33 Oh, and Laikrob is a going to hunt me down and kill me like a pest kangaroo if I reveal how awesome she is. I owe tripsis skittles. DarkDude feels like he's missing out. This is my siggy! - n_odie Rainy_Day MINE! - n_odie Rainy_Day And meol shouldn't feel left out. Oh, and Y_Guy is a noob awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bxpprod Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 DG Cape game tbh [bleep] OFF HOW ARE U SO [bleep]ING LUCKY U PIECE OF [bleep]ING SHIT [bleep] [bleep] [wagon] MUNCHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Good riddance. I'll probably get flamed for this, and I admit I'm generalising so tuff titty, but pretty much all the dicing "companies" were taking the gp paid to them by the hosts and selling them RWT for irl cash. It's a shame the dice had to be removed (they have legitimite uses) but it had to be done. Can we now assume that any gambling outside of the official avenues (dueling, conquest, rat pits etc) is now against the rules? Can I now report the people who are probably as I type playing "flower game", "guess the egg colour", "what seal will I be", "dungeon cape game" etc for breaking the rules? Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miracleman58 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 DG Cape game tbh Can be influenced 'invisibly' by putting on Archer, Seers, Warrior ring. 1593th to 99 Farming - July 08. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sees_all1 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Flower game anyone? 99 dungeoneering achieved, thanks to everyone that celebrated with me! ♪♪ Don't interrupt me as I struggle to complete this thoughtHave some respect for someone more forgetful than yourself ♪♪♪♪ And I'm not doneAnd I won't be till my head falls off ♪♪ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Just saw a post on RSOF from someone asking to add in an in-game casino and my first thought was that it might be a fun thing... but the people who are hosting dice scams games don't really want casinos to be added into the game they want to BE the casino! The house ALWAYS wins in the long run. "If you are playing Runescape to dice you are playing the wrong game" lol Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukeMarine Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Just saw a post on RSOF from someone asking to add in an in-game casino and my first thought was that it might be a fun thing... but the people who are hosting dice scams games don't really want casinos to be added into the game they want to BE the casino! The house ALWAYS wins in the long run. "If you are playing Runescape to dice you are playing the wrong game" lol I offered up an idea for that. Of course, there may be laws against blatant forms of virtual gambling. Then again, Jagex can instead have a Casino with no impact on the actual economy. First, offer everyone a daily token amount (say, 1k tokens). You're only playing for listing on server and world wide high scores on a daily, weekly, bi-weekily and quad weekly basis. After 8 weeks, all tokens are reset. Seriously, it's obvious many players like to gamble with virtual goods. Isn't it Jagex always claiming these things don't really exist and have no inherent value? Put their obvious lies to the test and call for a non-economic impact Casino. Learn how to Learn Japanese on your own - Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners in JapaneseStop Forgetting Stuff for College and Life - Anki - a program which makes remembering things easyReach Elite Fitness - CrossFit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandZephyr Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 I think that preventing this avenue of scamming is a great idea. I understand that some legitimate people will lose out, but I believe that it is a good thing overall. Who knows, they could always bring them back if that's what needs doing, and if they do who knows what tweaks they may have. Good find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonkng198 Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Yay, now I won't be tempted to get myself cleaned for the fourth time, thanks Jagex ;) [hide=Stats] [/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiJay Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Ok, here's the list: Duel Arena, Item Flipping, Cat Arena. Yeah, no gp gambling there. Oh, right, Jagex offered a method for safe transfer of gambled funds without resorting to trust. Heavens forbid they do such things in game. Oh, but gambling is illegal. Wait, wait, so is: Stealing, killing, poisoning, corpse desecration, breaking and entering,insider trading and suicide. Yet, oh wait, I forgot, this is a fantasy game in a fantasy land where all these activities are legal.That doesn't make sense at all. [404] Signature not found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsCook Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Do we still have the flower game though? Wont people go back to that? Runescape Player Since '04 | Tif Member since '06 | Max Combat | Too Busy Playing MW3 Remember: Anyone who is worse than you is a noob. Anyone who is better has no life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukeMarine Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Ok, here's the list: Duel Arena, Item Flipping, Cat Arena. Yeah, no gp gambling there. Oh, right, Jagex offered a method for safe transfer of gambled funds without resorting to trust. Heavens forbid they do such things in game. Oh, but gambling is illegal. Wait, wait, so is: Stealing, killing, poisoning, corpse desecration, breaking and entering,insider trading and suicide. Yet, oh wait, I forgot, this is a fantasy game in a fantasy land where all these activities are legal.That doesn't make sense at all.Jagex said it didn't support gambling, yet actually designed the mechanisms with the Duel Arena, Cat Arena and Conquest. Jagex claimed that gambling was a negative activity, yet has enormous amounts of negative activity in the game and not just actions against NPCs (Wilderness is just one big area to screw over another real player). Basically, they're spouting BS with their reasons for removing Dice. Now, there are legit reasons: Ease of scamming (though more profitable if you didn't), and loads of spamming. As such, just disable ability to dice over chat. However, don't claim this activity is some how much lower than scamming another kid into the dangerous portal at the clan duel. Learn how to Learn Japanese on your own - Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners in JapaneseStop Forgetting Stuff for College and Life - Anki - a program which makes remembering things easyReach Elite Fitness - CrossFit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 I'm all for gambling in RuneScape as long as like Nuke says it has no or little economic impact. Players should never be the "house". Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assume Nothing Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Wait, what was their reasoning for removal of dicing? I understand why they would want to remove the associated scamming, but legitimate hosting doesn't harm anybody - why remove it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirkka Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 I smell the seal game returning. 40,919th person to access Turmoil. 21,559th person to access Overloads. Are there any hidden bonuses here? No bonuses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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