This is a public service announcement: Leaving D bones/hides on the floor while slaying is inefficient.

[AHappySeeker]

If you're slaying, bones and hides and a byproduct of achieving your objective, that being slayer XP. If you do not bank on the premise of dragon slaying for profit not fitting into the way you value your time, you most likely need to reassess what you're basing that decision on. Let me break it down simply.

 

Killing dragons off-task for profit

Process: Kill dragon, pick up bone, bank.

 

Killing dragons on-task for slayer xp

Process: Kill dragon, get new task.

 

Are you seeing it now?

 

The most time-consuming part of gathering bones for profit is killing the dragon. Banking takes relatively little time if you do it right. It just so happens, however, that your already undertaking the most time-consuming step of gathering bones by killing dragons for slayer xp. That means that the profit of gathering bones can be based only on the time spent picking up bones (which is lossless unless you're mentally challenged, so we won't even factor it) and banking. Assuming 1 minute banking trips (this is assuming we are braindead and that it takes a whole minute for us to return to blue drags at Kuradal's) and bones going at 4.5k, we are essentially earning 11,340,000 per hour for 42 bones banked in a minute (24 inv slots +tort for ext atk, ext str, DDS and slayer ring. Ppots should be measured appropriately).

 

tl;dr version: You're inefficient if you leave your bones because it's not worth your time to bank unless you honestly earn more than 11m/hour. Blue drags are an awesome task. Do them.

 

Disclaimer: cba to do bonecrusher calcs. Cutoff for BC to be more efficient than banking is actually quite high though.

 

Disclaimber v2: I leave hides and crush bones because I'm lazy despite valuing my time at only 5m/hour. Make of that what you will.

Edited November 19, 2011 by Quyneax
Edited to remove flamebait ;)

[Zeno]

nice title.

 

Wonderful breakdown :thumbup:

 

Edit: you're basing this off of an inventory + a tort, what about a inventory + a yak? :blink:

[the_fallen]

I think you need to reassess your figures.

 

From what it looks like you're saying that it takes 1 minute to get 42 dragon bones. That's saying that you can kill a blue dragon in 0.7 seconds. I'd imagine people are also banking hides, so 42 bones would take twice the amount.

 

Now noting the re spawn time, amount of dragons, and other players, along with the time per kill, what your saying is not feasible in the slightest bit.

 

I would have to say a closer estimation might be 1m/hr.

[AHappySeeker]

I think you need to reassess your figures.

 

From what it looks like you're saying that it takes 1 minute to get 42 dragon bones. That's saying that you can kill a blue dragon in 0.7 seconds. I'd imagine people are also banking hides, so 42 bones would take twice the amount.

 

Now noting the re spawn time, amount of dragons, and other players, along with the time per kill, what your saying is not feasible in the slightest bit.

 

I would have to say a closer estimation might be 1m/hr.

 

Try actually reading my post.

[Zeno]

I think you need to reassess your figures.

 

From what it looks like you're saying that it takes 1 minute to get 42 dragon bones. That's saying that you can kill a blue dragon in 0.7 seconds. I'd imagine people are also banking hides, so 42 bones would take twice the amount.

 

Now noting the re spawn time, amount of dragons, and other players, along with the time per kill, what your saying is not feasible in the slightest bit.

 

I would have to say a closer estimation might be 1m/hr.

 

He is assessing this as slayer experience for part of it, but taking a 1 minute break to bank the bones/hides

 

You're counting it as a whole, hes only counting the part where you bank, and the slayer experience in between trips

[Ellac]

Moved from H&A to Rants.

[AHappySeeker]

Moved from H&A to Rants.

 

What the actual [bleep].

[obfuscator]

If you don't want your "public service announcement" to come across as a rant, don't flame and insult people who do something contrary to your conclusions.

 

As a result of the tone and language of the OP it's staying in rants. Please pm me if you have any questions (any further posts discussing moderator action on this topic will be removed).

[spooferfish]

Killing the dragons to get the bones is the most time consuming? Ok sure.

 

But it is also the necessary part.

If you are after slayer xp, you kill the dragon to get it, then go get the next dragon for more xp.

 

Lets say that in order to get the slayer xp you have to pick it up off the ground.

 

So you want only slayer xp, you kill the dragon, grab xp, move on.

You want money, kill the dragon, grab the drops move on.

 

If you only want the slayer xp then only get the slayer xp.

 

 

If you go someplace to eat, we'll say McDonalds. You go there wanting a Big Mac. So you go order a Big Mac. You don't order McNuggets, 3 small fries, and a McChicken while your there, just because your there. You get what you want and move on.

[AHappySeeker]

Killing the dragons to get the bones is the most time consuming? Ok sure.

 

But it is also the necessary part.

If you are after slayer xp, you kill the dragon to get it, then go get the next dragon for more xp.

 

Lets say that in order to get the slayer xp you have to pick it up off the ground.

 

So you want only slayer xp, you kill the dragon, grab xp, move on.

You want money, kill the dragon, grab the drops move on.

 

If you only want the slayer xp then only get the slayer xp.

 

 

If you go someplace to eat, we'll say McDonalds. You go there wanting a Big Mac. So you go order a Big Mac. You don't order McNuggets, 3 small fries, and a McChicken while your there, just because your there. You get what you want and move on.

 

You don't get it at all. Please read the post again.

[spooferfish]

Killing the dragons to get the bones is the most time consuming? Ok sure.

 

But it is also the necessary part.

If you are after slayer xp, you kill the dragon to get it, then go get the next dragon for more xp.

 

Lets say that in order to get the slayer xp you have to pick it up off the ground.

 

So you want only slayer xp, you kill the dragon, grab xp, move on.

You want money, kill the dragon, grab the drops move on.

 

If you only want the slayer xp then only get the slayer xp.

 

 

If you go someplace to eat, we'll say McDonalds. You go there wanting a Big Mac. So you go order a Big Mac. You don't order McNuggets, 3 small fries, and a McChicken while your there, just because your there. You get what you want and move on.

 

You don't get it at all. Please read the post again.

 

I read it two more times. My statement stands. If you want slayer xp, get slayer xp. If you want slayer xp and money go ahead and bank.

[AHappySeeker]

Time is money.

[spooferfish]

Ill stand next to you in game for 3 mins.

 

Buying blue phat 3 mins.

 

time is only money if you are using the time to make money.

 

If you are using the time to get slayer xp then time is slayer xp.

 

Time is slayer xp.

[AHappySeeker]

Time is slayer xp.

 

Therefore slayer xp is money.

[spooferfish]

Time is slayer xp.

 

Therefore slayer xp is money.

 

Untradeable money? That doesn't sound very useful.

 

Slayer xp =/= money

Time is money

Time is slayer xp

Time is fm xp

Time is whatever you make it.

[AHappySeeker]

Time is slayer xp.

 

Therefore slayer xp is money.

 

Untradeable money? That doesn't sound very useful.

 

Slayer xp =/= money

Time is money

Time is slayer xp

Time is fm xp

Time is whatever you make it.

 

???????????????????????????

 

Use time that would otherwise be spent slaying to make money = turning slayer xp into money.

 

LOL THIS IS ROCKET SCIENCE

[Existent]

This reminds me of the people who say farming is 5k xp/h because it takes 24 hrs to grow the trees, and also that miscellania is 2k gp/h because you can only get it once a day lol.

[spooferfish]

 

Time is slayer xp.

 

Therefore slayer xp is money.

 

Untradeable money? That doesn't sound very useful.

 

Slayer xp =/= money

Time is money

Time is slayer xp

Time is fm xp

Time is whatever you make it.

 

???????????????????????????

 

Use time that would otherwise be spent slaying to make money = turning slayer xp into money.

 

LOL THIS IS ROCKET SCIENCE

 

Thats turning time into money instead of slayer xp. Not slayer xp into money.

 

You suck at rocket science, don't you?

[Tui]

What about using bonecrusher + cannon + yak'ing hides for black dragon tasks. I'm 95 pray. Is this efficient y/n? I value my time at 8m+/hr

[AHappySeeker]

This reminds me of the people who say farming is 5k xp/h because it takes 24 hrs to grow the trees, and also that miscellania is 2k gp/h because you can only get it once a day lol.

 

This, tyvm.

 

 

What about using bonecrusher + cannon + yak'ing hides for black dragon tasks. I'm 95 pray. Is this efficient y/n? I value my time at 8m+/hr

 

Yeah, [bleep] calculating that.

[Troacctid]

Killing the dragons to get the bones is the most time consuming? Ok sure.

 

But it is also the necessary part.

If you are after slayer xp, you kill the dragon to get it, then go get the next dragon for more xp.

 

Lets say that in order to get the slayer xp you have to pick it up off the ground.

 

So you want only slayer xp, you kill the dragon, grab xp, move on.

You want money, kill the dragon, grab the drops move on.

 

If you only want the slayer xp then only get the slayer xp.

 

 

If you go someplace to eat, we'll say McDonalds. You go there wanting a Big Mac. So you go order a Big Mac. You don't order McNuggets, 3 small fries, and a McChicken while your there, just because your there. You get what you want and move on.

 

Okay so you're missing that this is an opportunity cost thing.

 

If you don't know what opportunity cost is there's the Wikipedia page you can look at, but basically, it's the cost of doing something as measured by what you'd be doing if you weren't doing it. It's a central concept in economics, but it's also hugely useful for understanding how to maximize the efficiency of grinding in RuneScape. HappySeeker is trolling you cuz you don't know about this and you're trolling back and so let's end the cycle of trolling and explain it better, shall we?

 

In our basic scenario, you do your slayer task and ignore the drops completely, just killing the dragons and doing the task because slayer xp, [bleep] yeah! It takes you X minutes to kill enough dragons for a full inventory's worth of bones (which you leave on the floor), and you earn X minutes' worth of slayer xp.

 

In our banky scenario, after X minutes, you make a one-minute trip to the bank (one minute being the arbitrary estimated banking time, whatever) after the same number of kills. The stuff you're banking is worth like 189k cuz it's 42 slots at 4.5k each. In this scenario, you spend X+1 minutes to earn X minutes' worth of slayer xp and 189k gp.

 

Now let's do a side-by-side comparison of these two scenarios.

 

 

The difference? In Scenario 2, everything is the same, except you spend one extra minute in order to earn 189k gp. In other words, by giving up one minute, you can earn 189k.

 

So now you should be asking yourself, which is more valuable, one minute or 189k gp? 189k gp for only a minute's worth of work is equivalent to 11,340k gp/hr. So if you think that 11.34m gp/hr sounds pretty good (given an arbitrary 1 minute of added time per bank run--obviously it would be better if you were faster or worse if you were slower), then you should choose Scenario 2 instead of Scenario 1.

[enfield]

omg, this thread spawned yet another efficiency debate

 

 

I would say that the people that *do not* pick up their bones/hides tend to have justifiable reasons for doing so. Either they are lazy (like me) and the cost of the work required (there's more costs then just time - there are costs of mental health of afkability, etc.) is too steep for them, and/or they value their time sufficiently high to make it not worth it (also like me).

 

 

I think maybe you overestimated the audience of this thread. the announcement doesn't concern most of the public. Nonetheless I appreciate your self-expression :).

[AHappySeeker]

Killing the dragons to get the bones is the most time consuming? Ok sure.

 

But it is also the necessary part.

If you are after slayer xp, you kill the dragon to get it, then go get the next dragon for more xp.

 

Lets say that in order to get the slayer xp you have to pick it up off the ground.

 

So you want only slayer xp, you kill the dragon, grab xp, move on.

You want money, kill the dragon, grab the drops move on.

 

If you only want the slayer xp then only get the slayer xp.

 

 

If you go someplace to eat, we'll say McDonalds. You go there wanting a Big Mac. So you go order a Big Mac. You don't order McNuggets, 3 small fries, and a McChicken while your there, just because your there. You get what you want and move on.

 

Okay so you're missing that this is an opportunity cost thing.

 

If you don't know what opportunity cost is there's the Wikipedia page you can look at, but basically, it's the cost of doing something as measured by what you'd be doing if you weren't doing it. It's a central concept in economics, but it's also hugely useful for understanding how to maximize the efficiency of grinding in RuneScape. HappySeeker is trolling you cuz you don't know about this and you're trolling back and so let's end the cycle of trolling and explain it better, shall we?

 

In our basic scenario, you do your slayer task and ignore the drops completely, just killing the dragons and doing the task because slayer xp, [bleep] yeah! It takes you X minutes to kill enough dragons for a full inventory's worth of bones (which you leave on the floor), and you earn X minutes' worth of slayer xp.

 

In our banky scenario, after X minutes, you make a one-minute trip to the bank (one minute being the arbitrary estimated banking time, whatever) after the same number of kills. The stuff you're banking is worth like 189k cuz it's 42 slots at 4.5k each. In this scenario, you spend X+1 minutes to earn X minutes' worth of slayer xp and 189k gp.

 

Now let's do a side-by-side comparison of these two scenarios.

 

 

The difference? In Scenario 2, everything is the same, except you spend one extra minute in order to earn 189k gp. In other words, by giving up one minute, you can earn 189k.

 

So now you should be asking yourself, which is more valuable, one minute or 189k gp? 189k gp for only a minute's worth of work is equivalent to 11,340k gp/hr. So if you think that 11.34m gp/hr sounds pretty good (given an arbitrary 1 minute of added time per bank run--obviously it would be better if you were faster or worse if you were slower), then you should choose Scenario 2 instead of Scenario 1.

 

You're much better at effort than me. Stalk my posts please.

[enfield]

interesting method for storing d hides courtesy of rs wiki:

 

 

 

In cases where one will acquire more than 150 drops within that one hour, alternative methods may be necessary for banking in addition to the yak. Casting Make Leather and crafting dragonhide bodies will allow the yak's inventory to hold 90 dragonhides' worth of dragon bodies, and so higher levelled players wishing to train at green or blue dragons may wish to use this technique to bank all the bones and hides that the dragons will drop - using Winter Storage to bank dragon bones immediately, and casting Make Leather 3 times when 15 dragon hides are acquired, crafting 5 dragon bodies and storing them into the yak, and repeating the process.

[Bxpprod]

How, how about, I play however the hell I want. If that means leaving my bones behind, WHO CARES.