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Will all of rs wiki's content to be copied over to the official rs wiki?


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RuneScape's official wiki is terrible, so hard to navigate and limited in features compared to RSWiki.

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What is to prevent people supplying inaccurate information (although in a subtle way to make it harder to notice) in order to sabotage the JWiki?

As far as I know, Jagex won't do shit to anyone for doing this.
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RuneScape's official wiki is terrible, so hard to navigate and limited in features compared to RSWiki.


This. Jagex never seems to learn that they cant compete with dedicated fansites :lol:

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What is to prevent people supplying inaccurate information (although in a subtle way to make it harder to notice) in order to sabotage the JWiki?

As far as I know, Jagex won't do shit to anyone for doing this.


Omg, that sounds SO fun. Why didn't I think of that. But they have to be super subtle like you said.

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What is to prevent people supplying inaccurate information (although in a subtle way to make it harder to notice) in order to sabotage the JWiki?

As far as I know, Jagex won't do shit to anyone for doing this.


Omg, that sounds SO fun. Why didn't I think of that. But they have to be super subtle like you said.


switch percentages on things is an easy way. Other things that are more theoretical are fun to do that with too.

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It's pretty easy to make niggly edits to an article, such that they can't be reverted without lots of effort on somebody else's part. Especially on a wiki, as I've said, that has no means of verifying its information. I could claim that Nyancat is a level 789 monster fought in One Small Favour using a butterfly net and, quite laughably, there's not any onus on me to provide a source for it as evidence.

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But yeah, the official wiki is going to crash and burn.

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It's good to see some people with some understanding of fair use/licensing here. We have been trying to make sure that no content is copied from RS Wiki to the official site, although it's difficult when people just change a few words. People are also copying images which, while legally acceptable, is the kind of thing no serious fansite would ever do. I am not worried about the official wiki usurping our position: the edits are already slowing down and their SEO is not picking up.
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I don't see why they are paying people to do something (moderate/administrate) that a fansite was doing for free already.

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I don't see why they are paying people to do something (moderate/administrate) that a fansite was doing for free already.

I guess they think they're saving money on the old KB.
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I find it funny how there's already people on RS forums claiming how superior the Jagex Wiki is to RSWiki. It doesn't even stand a chance yet with all of the stubs. I am curious nonetheless to see how plagiarism is treated between the sites though. RSWiki does have rights to its content, as the site itself, and images,etc., is a derivative of an intellectual entity, meaning it is a work of art unto its own technically.

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I don't see why they are paying people to do something (moderate/administrate) that a fansite was doing for free already.

I guess they think they're saving money on the old KB.

the old KB is doing that too. It was their attempt *back when they hated fansites* to try and outclass them on content, which failed hard

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I find it funny how there's already people on RS forums claiming how superior the Jagex Wiki is to RSWiki. It doesn't even stand a chance yet with all of the stubs. I am curious nonetheless to see how plagiarism is treated between the sites though. RSWiki does have rights to its content, as the site itself, and images,etc., is a derivative of an intellectual entity, meaning it is a work of art unto its own technically.

Derivative works of art are still beaches of copyright when the original image itself is subject to copyright, unless the artist can claim his work was published under fair use, in which case there are very limiting restraints on what adaptations the artist can legally make. Musicians are forever making remixes of each other's work, but unless they seek permission first, they're not entitled to claiming ownership of that remix (hence, claiming royalties for any profits earned) unless the original artist explicitly gave their permission for the new work to be published. Failure to obtain this permission before publication results in the work either being removed, destroyed, or the ownership of the work being passed back to the original artist.

"It's a work of art" is not an excuse you want to [bleep] around with over copyright laws. If RS Wiki contains copyrighted material, they have no right to claim ownership of it unless Jagex said they could use it, which they won't have done. What RS Wiki does have certain rights to is the editor-produced, original content that the site contains, in a similar--though not identical--way as Tip.It has rights over the Crew-produced, original content on the main site here.

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I find it funny how there's already people on RS forums claiming how superior the Jagex Wiki is to RSWiki. It doesn't even stand a chance yet with all of the stubs. I am curious nonetheless to see how plagiarism is treated between the sites though. RSWiki does have rights to its content, as the site itself, and images,etc., is a derivative of an intellectual entity, meaning it is a work of art unto its own technically.


Let's make it clear.

Screenshots from RuneScape: Protected by Jagex's copyright.
Derivative works from the game (i.e. concept art by a fan): Protected by the original creator's copyright.


"It's a work of art" is not an excuse you want to [bleep] around with over copyright laws. If RS Wiki contains copyrighted material, they have no right to claim ownership of it unless Jagex said they could use it, which they won't have done. What RS Wiki does have certain rights to is the editor-produced, original content that the site contains, in a similar--though not identical--way as Tip.It has rights over the Crew-produced, original content on the main site here.


So if you removed all of the copyrighted images from RSWiki, then it'd be fine. Because that's all that Jagex can really come after them for.

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Yep, absolutely. Jagex can keep their filthy mitts off the written stuff.

I mean really, that's where this thread should end. "Will all of RS Wiki's content be copied over the official RS Wiki?". No.

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The official wiki is a tool to increase the thought police tactics of jagex. It is a marketing tool as well as something to keep the fansites and the guides away. It is also a disgrace to the idea of a wiki the way it is moderated.

Honestly, it is something that I despise and will always boycoytt against. Rswiki and tip.it for life.
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I find it funny how there's already people on RS forums claiming how superior the Jagex Wiki is to RSWiki. It doesn't even stand a chance yet with all of the stubs. I am curious nonetheless to see how plagiarism is treated between the sites though. RSWiki does have rights to its content, as the site itself, and images,etc., is a derivative of an intellectual entity, meaning it is a work of art unto its own technically.

Derivative works of art are still beaches of copyright when the original image itself is subject to copyright, unless the artist can claim his work was published under fair use, in which case there are very limiting restraints on what adaptations the artist can legally make. Musicians are forever making remixes of each other's work, but unless they seek permission first, they're not entitled to claiming ownership of that remix (hence, claiming royalties for any profits earned) unless the original artist explicitly gave their permission for the new work to be published. Failure to obtain this permission before publication results in the work either being removed, destroyed, or the ownership of the work being passed back to the original artist.

"It's a work of art" is not an excuse you want to [bleep] around with over copyright laws. If RS Wiki contains copyrighted material, they have no right to claim ownership of it unless Jagex said they could use it, which they won't have done. What RS Wiki does have certain rights to is the editor-produced, original content that the site contains, in a similar--though not identical--way as Tip.It has rights over the Crew-produced, original content on the main site here.


This is all true. While they certainly have the legal right to use the images that are derivative from the game they produced, they seem to be removing images copied from other sites (specifically the wiki). I guess it's against their policies, even though at last count there were 97 copied pictures yet to be deleted. Nope, they're keeping them. This is stupid.
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But yeah, the official wiki is going to crash and burn.

Implying it will get enough speed to crash in the first place.
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But yeah, the official wiki is going to crash and burn.

Implying it will get enough speed to crash in the first place.

Then it will groan to a halt.

The format of the official wiki is just terrible. Not only that but some pages are just terrible.
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