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Mather, that's not true. There's no such thing as superhumans, you are not superhuman, stop stroking your ego or if you're just trying to be honest about the matter then go see a doctor. These delusions you're having are not healthy in any way; they're driving you to self-harm, they're blinding you to ailments that COULD VERY WELL BE SYMPTOMATIC OF SOME POTENTIALLY LETHAL MEDICAL CONDITION if they're as bad and as frequent as described, and bragging about them is really awkward for everyone involved and will drive away other people.

 

The (negative, I might add) attention you get from all this hoopla isn't worth life and limb. Get over yourself and at least go in for a checkup or something. The only reason I can think that you wouldn't is if you've been lying.

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Oi, have you become Hex, Mather? Because it only seems like you're doing this to troll us or some cripe. Either that or you want reassurances that it's a good idea to go to a doctor about all this, in which case, yeah. Go now.

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No, right now I'm trying to make you stop worrying, unless I say something along the lines of "I didn't know I had this much blood in me.", "I don't think my ribs are supposed to be pointing in that direction." or "My brain sure is squishy.", then there's nothing wrong with me that my body can't take care of on its own.

 

Mather, that's not true. There's no such thing as superhumans, you are not superhuman, stop stroking your ego or if you're just trying to be honest about the matter then go see a doctor. These delusions you're having are not healthy in any way; they're driving you to self-harm, they're blinding you to ailments that COULD VERY WELL BE SYMPTOMATIC OF SOME POTENTIALLY LETHAL MEDICAL CONDITION if they're as bad and as frequent as described, and bragging about them is really awkward for everyone involved and will drive away other people.

 

The (negative, I might add) attention you get from all this hoopla isn't worth life and limb. Get over yourself and at least go in for a checkup or something. The only reason I can think that you wouldn't is if you've been lying.

No such thing as superhumans? Do you intentionally avoid reading or watching anything that has to do with unique individuals?

Did you for example know that there's a guy who doesn't generate lactic acid? Or that there's a guy who can stick metal objects to himself like he's a [bleep]ing magnet?

Superhumans are everywhere, we're just so used to them being obvious in fiction that we're oblivious to the real ones.

 

Now I don't know if my insane health is due to a mutation like that, if it's something I've inherited from one or a combination of my parents or if it's a result of the heavy abuse I've put it under, but it's definitely quite a bit above the human average and it may have something to do with the fact that I can consciously control certain parts of my brain that are supposed to be running automatically.

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No, those are extremely RARE cases

 

If you think you're superhuman, go to the doctor and ask. Then we'll respect you as the pinnacle of Norse supremacy that you always talk about being.

 

It should be noted that muscle mass can increase, callouses can form, but that doesn't mean hurting yourself will actually do anything. It won't 99% of the time. You have no way of knowing the 'human average' either.

 

Also no you can't, that's just you deluding yourself into thinking that. Unless you go to a doctor and get yourself checked, thus proving me wrong.

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Just because something is rare doesn't mean it's impossible for it to happen to certain people. It's just as likely for me as it is for them.

 

And yes, over short term, that's what abuse does. However over the course of a lifetime, the body will adapt in order to negate the abuse, just like our immune system adapts to counter previously encountered diseases.

When bones are damaged, the injured area grows stronger than it used to be. When muscle tissue tears, even more of it grows back as long as enough protein is avalable. When blood is lost, a mixture of live and dead cells are replaced with all live cells.

 

And of course, let's blame the fact that I can drug myself numb or hyperalert on the placebo effect, because it's not like it would still require those hormones to be released then.

No matter what change happens to the body except by external stimuli, there are hormones involved. For instance to negate pain, no matter what brings it on, the release of endorphins is neccessary. Now whether it is brought on by the pain itself, intake of medical painkillers or the belief that you are taking medical painkillers, the endorphins are still released.

So tell me, what's the difference between me consciously releasing endorphins and my body releasing endorphins because I believe I am releasing endorphins?

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Just because something is rare doesn't mean it's impossible for it to happen to certain people. It's just as likely for me as it is for them.

I'm going to deal with this first.

 

Yes, everyone's chances are theoretically the same. Except they aren't, because these things probably rely on genes as well as random mutations. Even disregarding that, your chances of being another ultra-marathon-man are a few billion to one. If you think you might be, or something equally amazing, stand up now and make an appointment with your doctor. You've suddenly become a genetic miracle and might even get a little chunk of fame and fortune in the deal if you play your cards right.

 

 

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What's going on with me is a lesser mutation than that of the guy who can run near indefinitely, because all the functions are the same as they should be, I've just got a faster metabolism and stronger cells, things that are already variable from person to person to begin with. What's going on with my brain however is a bit harder to explain, but my head's already so non-standard that for all I know it could just be the combination of ways it's already [bleep]ed up in that causes an extra [bleep]up.

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And yes, over short term, that's what abuse does. However over the course of a lifetime, the body will adapt in order to negate the abuse, just like our immune system adapts to counter previously encountered diseases.

When bones are damaged, the injured area grows stronger than it used to be. When muscle tissue tears, even more of it grows back as long as enough protein is avalable. When blood is lost, a mixture of live and dead cells are replaced with all live cells.

Actually, bones DON'T work like that. A bone's a bone, mass can change in response to different pressures, but it's just as easy to break again. The area around that bone not being in use for a while actually can decrease its mass, as I understand it. Also, bleeding is almost never a good or helpful thing.

 

The rest, of course, I cannot dispute.

 

And of course, let's blame the fact that I can drug myself numb or hyperalert on the placebo effect, because it's not like it would still require those hormones to be released then.

No matter what change happens to the body except by external stimuli, there are hormones involved. For instance to negate pain, no matter what brings it on, the release of endorphins is neccessary. Now whether it is brought on by the pain itself, intake of medical painkillers or the belief that you are taking medical painkillers, the endorphins are still released.

So tell me, what's the difference between me consciously releasing endorphins and my body releasing endorphins because I believe I am releasing endorphins?

You have some fairly sound reasoning, and looking into it I suppose it is indeed plausible. Normal, even. Please do keep in mind that just because you're not in pain, it doesn't mean you're not injured.

 

What's going on with me is a lesser mutation than that of the guy who can run near indefinitely, because all the functions are the same as they should be, I've just got a faster metabolism and stronger cells, things that are already variable from person to person to begin with. What's going on with my brain however is a bit harder to explain, but my head's already so non-standard that for all I know it could just be the combination of ways it's already [bleep]ed up in that causes an extra [bleep]up.

So you're saying you're just an average person?

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Actually bone does work that way, because bone that has grown back after an injury is denser. But it seems I was halfway off when it comes to losing blood, as it only applies for men and not the way I described (it has been proven that male blood donors are 30% less likely to suffer from heart problems than non-donors).

 

And what I'm saying is that I am above average, but I'm not any more of a mutant than the average joe.

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But it seems I was halfway off when it comes to losing blood, as it only applies for men and not the way I described (it has been proven that male blood donors are 30% less likely to suffer from heart problems than non-donors).

Because it removes excess iron from the body, not because it replaces dead blood cells.

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Actually bone does work that way, because bone that has grown back after an injury is denser. But it seems I was halfway off when it comes to losing blood, as it only applies for men and not the way I described (it has been proven that male blood donors are 30% less likely to suffer from heart problems than non-donors).

 

And what I'm saying is that I am above average, but I'm not any more of a mutant than the average joe.

You aren't really either. I know folks with amazing metabolisms, like this one girl who eats constantly and never changes from being middling-skinny (pretty certain she isn't anorexic). This matter also brings to mind stories from my Biology teacher about her one Native American student back when the classes did blood test; apparently Native Americans have naturally tough skin from the millenia more of hunter-gatherer lifestyles than most other cultures. The teacher had to let him do it, because he had to stab the needle a few times to get it in, rather than the prick most students needed.

 

I'm glad you don't actually think you're Superman.

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Dude, I can eat over a kilo of pure meat if I get that on my platter, and last time I had pizza, I had trouble walking home because my stomach was literally so full that I could feel it pushing against my ribs. Additionally I'm a total glutton when it comes to snacks. Yet I struggled for a long time to get to a normal BMI from being underweight.

 

I've never tried pricking my finger to draw blood though, I've tried biting to see if I could pierce the sking, but even with my fangs all I get before my reflexes force me to stop is a temporary deformity

And having a history of hunter/gatherers for longer than others isn't going to help that much. My ancestry is composed of vikings followed by people who had to farm rocky soil until near the 1900's and who had hunted the local predators to extinction to protect their livestock. Just because Norway played a slight role internationally early on, don't assume the place has been hospitable

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Dude, I can eat over a kilo of pure meat if I get that on my platter, and last time I had pizza, I had trouble walking home because my stomach was literally so full that I could feel it pushing against my ribs. Additionally I'm a total glutton when it comes to snacks. Yet I struggled for a long time to get to a normal BMI from being underweight.

That really means nothing... If anything, you've probably got a lower metabolism than the person I was talking about, because you have to burn a lot more energy to keep warm in a place that's actually cold. Not to mention they aren't exactly athletes.

 

I've never tried pricking my finger to draw blood though, I've tried biting to see if I could pierce the sking, but even with my fangs all I get before my reflexes force me to stop is a temporary deformity

And having a history of hunter/gatherers for longer than others isn't going to help that much. My ancestry is composed of vikings followed by people who had to farm rocky soil until near the 1900's and who had hunted the local predators to extinction to protect their livestock. Just because Norway played a slight role internationally early on, don't assume the place has been hospitable

A) You don't have fangs, you have teeth. Please, don't use the word fangs, it sounds inane.

B) It's not easy to break your skin with your teeth. I can't, and trust me I've bitten my arms damn hard in the past. I don't think biting strength varies to a terribly significant degree between people either.

C) That has nothing to do with it. Being stabbed, bitten, and walking on rocks doesn't mean evolution will favor tougher skin, as in the former cases you're either skillful enough to avoid injury, lucky enough to escape, or you die, and in the latter your feet just callous as you age. Many tribes of Northeastern Native Americans had to deal with hunting grounds full of thorns and such, and thus those who were less affected by the thorns were better hunters and less likely to alert dangerous game. This is all conjecture, of course, as I'm no scientist.

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The staying warm part doesn't exactly count for me, since most of my time is spent indoors in front of a TV, computer and/or handheld console, sometimes all three at once. And sure, I've been doing something for most of my life; gymnastics at first, then a month of football, then karate, but if that was at fault, then I should have bloated up considerably these last 5 years.

 

A) Yes, I have fangs. I have sharp, elongated canine teeth meant for gripping and tearing flesh.

2. Any of the canine teeth of a carnivorous animal, such as a dog or wolf, with which it seizes and tears its prey.

3. A long, sharp, pointed tooth, especially a canine tooth.

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B) The reason you can't bite through your skin as easily as you think is because your reflexes are stopping you, they are preventing you from exerting force so as to stop you from harming yourself. I've trained myself to ignore that to my best ability, and I can definitely do damage as I can get some nice bruises from it, but even so I cannot break the skin.

C) Inhospitable grounds breeds rougher physiology. If this was not true, then we would have no thick-skinned animals.

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The staying warm part doesn't exactly count for me, since most of my time is spent indoors in front of a TV, computer and/or handheld console, sometimes all three at once. And sure, I've been doing something for most of my life; gymnastics at first, then a month of football, then karate, but if that was at fault, then I should have bloated up considerably these last 5 years.

 

A) Yes, I have fangs. I have sharp, elongated canine teeth meant for gripping and tearing flesh.

2. Any of the canine teeth of a carnivorous animal, such as a dog or wolf, with which it seizes and tears its prey.

3. A long, sharp, pointed tooth, especially a canine tooth.

-http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Fang

B) The reason you can't bite through your skin as easily as you think is because your reflexes are stopping you, they are preventing you from exerting force so as to stop you from harming yourself. I've trained myself to ignore that to my best ability, and I can definitely do damage as I can get some nice bruises from it, but even so I cannot break the skin.

C) Inhospitable grounds breeds rougher physiology. If this was not true, then we would have no thick-skinned animals.

μ) Fine, call it something inane.

 

&) I will not dispute that the human body has some ingrained reflexes against harming itself. Why training yourself to ignore those is productive even in the context of testing your bite strength on yourself, though, I'm a bit foggy on. When I get angry sometimes I'll bite my arm (and generally regret it soon afterwards), being angry and all I bite it about as hard as I've bitten anything, and that generally just bruises it for a few days.

 

Walrus) There is no inherent evolutionary benefit to getting into an injurious situation. Those that are regularly damaged die; evolution takes tens of thousands of years to produce an Armadillo from some ponderous prey animal with no better means of escape or defense at hand than to let itself be attacked. This applies even less to humans who, when faced with a boar, invent a boar spear. Genetic advantages become increasingly irrelevant as civilization advances and allows the weak (me) and unwise (you) to survive; if anything, Norwegians would've regressed in the last few centuries.

 

I would add to this that I am, in fact, around half Norwegian. One eighth Native American, too.

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There's no advantage to pushing the limit to how much you can hurt yourself, it's just something I've done, a lot. That's all.

 

And yes, while it takes tens of thousands, millions even, of years to evolve an entirely new animal focused around one trait, it only takes a few generations for a group to split off from the main part and develop certain advantages.

 

And you're quite pushing it with that number, because even as an ethnic Norwegian who can trace the surnames of all but one of his grandparents to places in Norway (the remaining one being a place in Finnland), there's only actually about 87,5%-93,75% Norwegian in my genes, to my knowledge, probably less (the other parts being German and Danish). Even if half your ancestors came from here, 50% is a gross overestimate.

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I would say this is a great way to get the tavern visited again, but now we're just worried over Mathers Health. Oh well, it's good to see some life back in here. But please, Mather, get a physical or something, or visit a doctor, and just see if there's anything serious.

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There's no advantage to pushing the limit to how much you can hurt yourself, it's just something I've done, a lot. That's all.

 

And yes, while it takes tens of thousands, millions even, of years to evolve an entirely new animal focused around one trait, it only takes a few generations for a group to split off from the main part and develop certain advantages.

 

And you're quite pushing it with that number, because even as an ethnic Norwegian who can trace the surnames of all but one of his grandparents to places in Norway (the remaining one being a place in Finnland), there's only actually about 87,5%-93,75% Norwegian in my genes, to my knowledge, probably less (the other parts being German and Danish). Even if half your ancestors came from here, 50% is a gross overestimate.

Humans have no reason to evolve tougher skin. Everyone survives nowadays, barring bad luck and medical conditions.

 

Lineage is generally an approximation. My father's side of the family is primarily Norwegian, it's hard to be sure exactly what percentage I am.

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Humans have no reason to evolve tougher skin. Everyone survives nowadays, barring bad luck and medical conditions.

Evolution also doesn't work that way.

 

Actually it is.

 

The time scale of evolution from our apelike descendants was 2.3 million years so if you imagine that if there was one family from the start of that to now it would have about a fifty thousand generations except they're all interbreeding so the number of people involved is even higher. We haven't stopped evolving, and so if somebody dies because of having average skin whereas Mather (or anybody with an attribute that will aid their survival, no matter how small) lives on and passes on his genes then this attribute will be passed on.

This is why evolution takes such a long time, because it's not just waiting for the mutation - it's waiting for the mutation to come into affect and make you the 'fittest', also why selectively breed animals can change so quickly - because we're not waiting for one to die off, we're simply basing it off aesthetics.

I'm sure that in the grand scheme of things though, it won't do a thing. The concept that we're talking about is evolutionary drift.

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Or if people with tough skin can't get vaccinations and die early from preventable diseases, then it could work the other way. :P

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He exceeded the forum's limit on broness.

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No. He had other offences on other boards that weren't here.

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