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Actually I've got the whole hierarchic filled up, all of them are beyond what I need them to be, apart from cognitive and self-actualization, which are impossible to actually fill, though they are as full as they should be.

 

I'm at perfect balance with myself and as such I am in the perfect position to go beyond my instinctual needs and instead focus on more spiritual needs, such as my need to keep raising my karma and realize true love.

 

"I am beyond true love, I am at eternal love."

"I am beyond eternal love, I am at ultimate love."

Ect.

 

To continue the catagorisation metaphor your argument reads that "I am at 1.001 in the Dewey Decimal Classification Scheme"

 

I would suggest you actually read Maslow's article, but I can only imagine you would claim it was overcomplicated or unneccessarily complex.

"Pyramids? Thats two more vertices and one more rays than there needs to be!"

Well I knew you wouldn't agree. I know how you hate facing facts.

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Who says I need to be a drone? If I can catagorize myself then I know I can use my talents that are unique to myself, while using the grounding the catagory grants to make myself much happier. Like minds are great company, but don't invite them to a debate. You'll get nowhere.

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Ieyfura, Stork, someone please yell at him so he'll stop.

 

I've had enough of Mather being Mather for one week.

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Hence, an insult.

 

Stop being so self-righteous.

 

Also, Lei, you should watch the rest of Puella Magi if you haven't. It's a good series, and remember that it has a good ending when you watch episode 3 and onwards.

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Wow, since when was the term douchenozzle enough to get a post removed? It's not even a proper insult, it's just an internet term for someone who in some way hurts or brings difficulty to others through acting selfishly.

I suppose the real question is, if I said 'Quit being a Matherard' would you/other people be offended, even though I just made it up?

 

Mather, being your name, which indicates that it is a personality trait.

Retard, meaning to slowing down or to hinder progress or otherwise delay.

 

Obviously I would never call you that because it is offensive and people who are not you may take offense to it, even if you don't personally. It is merely included to demonstate how your 'Its not really a real insult' argument is flawed.

 

Half-wit would be another term I could use, which is English Slang, similar to your 'Internet Term', yet may still cause offence.

 

I would strongly recommend you look at the rules a little more often, since the purpose of them is not to stop you from insulting people, but is to stop other people from being insulted BY you.

(And so much other jargon which is rubbish, yet, by using these forums we agree to abide by.)

Well I knew you wouldn't agree. I know how you hate facing facts.

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Since when is a real-man all angsty about love?

 

Maybe he just wants to be in a relationship? I don't see anything wrong with that.

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I'll only tell you once, I'll never tell you twice. This is me being nice." ~Porcelain and the Tramps

 

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Speaking of which... Turns out the girl I said I liked a while back likes me too. It's a difficult relationship, I think, but an honest and strong one.

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10:53 PM - Resistance: You mean plotholes?

 

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RIP Dawngate ;-;

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Since when is a real-man all angsty about love?

 

Maybe he just wants to be in a relationship? I don't see anything wrong with that.

Yes, but it also implies that men who aren't in relationships aren't real men. I mean, is Oscar Wilde not a real man?

 

Ghandi?

Issac Newton?

Tesla?

 

And I'm sure there are more people.

 

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Even so, the label of a 'real man' being in a relationship is just stupid and its even more stupid to imply that 'real men' are angsty teenagers who wear black and wear skinny jeans because those are the only other people who discuss love in such a serious and commercialised way. To classify a real man would be impossible because its subjective but sometimes things are so far from the truth that they're just untrue in the way a person could easily argue that bread is the worlds favourite food but would never be able to back it up, a person could never claim mud was most enjoyed by people because they just know its not true.

Love is just a human construct which is frankly quite stupid, and the way you talk about it is even more stupid. People can love one another but you speak of it as if its a magical bond in which one person shares their humanity with another being and rainbows appear and birds sing, a human construct isn't like that so it needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. Nobody really loves each other absoloutely and people need to learn to get a grip on reality and realise that its better to get into a relationship with somebody who you know you will have a secure, steady and beneficial relationship with instead of just because of this mad crazy love that causes you to choose people who frankly are stupid to choose, unless of course you fall in love with a perfectly sane doctor with rich parents - but like thats going to happen.

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As in if my current relationship goes wrong, I'll not date anymore. But, due to everything that's been happining in my current relationship, my current relationship will last longer than my 3 previous ones. Much Much longer.

 

-points at my sig and avatar- There's your proof.

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Since when is a real-man all angsty about love?

 

Maybe he just wants to be in a relationship? I don't see anything wrong with that.

Yes, but it also implies that men who aren't in relationships aren't real men. I mean, is Oscar Wilde not a real man?

 

Ghandi?

Issac Newton?

Tesla?

 

And I'm sure there are more people.

 

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Even so, the label of a 'real man' being in a relationship is just stupid and its even more stupid to imply that 'real men' are angsty teenagers who wear black and wear skinny jeans because those are the only other people who discuss love in such a serious and commercialised way. To classify a real man would be impossible because its subjective but sometimes things are so far from the truth that they're just untrue in the way a person could easily argue that bread is the worlds favourite food but would never be able to back it up, a person could never claim mud was most enjoyed by people because they just know its not true.

Love is just a human construct which is frankly quite stupid, and the way you talk about it is even more stupid. People can love one another but you speak of it as if its a magical bond in which one person shares their humanity with another being and rainbows appear and birds sing, a human construct isn't like that so it needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. Nobody really loves each other absoloutely and people need to learn to get a grip on reality and realise that its better to get into a relationship with somebody who you know you will have a secure, steady and beneficial relationship with instead of just because of this mad crazy love that causes you to choose people who frankly are stupid to choose, unless of course you fall in love with a perfectly sane doctor with rich parents - but like thats going to happen.

Ghandi tupped his wife when his father was dying, as I recall. I did an amateur biography on him for English a while ago.

 

Not that it matters much.

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10:53 PM - Resistance: You mean plotholes?

 

Remember, Remember, the 4th of November

RIP Dawngate ;-;

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not that there are any robot spies on this board or that I would know anything about that.

T R A I T O R

 

E X T E R M I N A T E

 

But in all srsness, I tend not to have too much luck in the relationship department anyways. Mostly because the majority of the women I encounter are significantly older than myself.

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Ok. So. (Because this argument makes no sense)

To summerise:

 

Neferast says "What Mather believes is a socially constructed fiction, based strongly on the profiteering of the capitalist system."

Mather says "No, I really do believe it and its not just a socially constructed fiction, its a real thing. Oh, and by the way, I question your validity as a real man because you don't believe in true love."

Neferast "If you were a real man then you wouldn't believe all the socially constructed fiction, you would just accept the world as it really is, and if you did that then you would not be Angst-Ridden. As such I question your validity as a real man because you believe in true love."

Iey "Some people just want to be in relationships. I don't see him as less, or more, of a real man because of that."

Neferast "Yes, but he challanged my validity as a real man because I am not in a relationship so I had to challange his validity as a real man. Also, here is some slander to prove me right."

 

Aside from being a prelude to some sort of manliness contest, the argument serves no purpose.

 

 

Analytically...Neferast dismisses social constructs far too early on. Money is, for instance, a social construct. This does not invalidate its ability to influence people into certain modes of thinking, or into making certain decisions which they would not otherwise make.

IF true love is a societial construct, and not inbuilt to reality, then Mather's belief in the social construct gives the construct substance because, whether it exists or does not exist, the effects of it do exist.

IF it is inbuilt into reality, then the idea that it does not exist is a societial construct, possibly spawned from nihilism, which, as Mather correctly argues, would make his life more difficult - since the social construct's effects obscure reality, in much the same way as if true love is the social construct.

 

Personally both theories are inaccurate. What I believe is that all love is inherantly true---

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(Though if you want to seperate it from lust then you could probably make that distinction...though we would then be left with the love between a man and a dog, or between a man and a fine bottle of Bourbon. Thus we then have to seperate it from love of inanimate objects and of animals which are not human, typically further confined to members of the opposite sex. Though this is inherant prejudice since it nominally negates the possibility of same sex true love, or, indeed, true love for animals...Which one could make a very strong argument for given the amount of love some children invest in pet rabbits and what not.)

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---and love is something that is both fleeting and static, in much the same way as a river. This means that while we may 'love' someone for our whole lives, what 'love' actually means to us changes more or less constantly. We can make the rather simple assessment that even the most besotted couple will, on occassion, think about other things, or will be angry or annoyed with the other person. This, of course, doesn't mean that they do not 'love' the other person for certain durations, it merely means that the 'love' they feel is different. We could couple 'love' with 'regret', for instance, if someone died/left before you had the chance to set things right.

While the idea of 'Someone who is forever yours, and will always be thinking about you, and will never be annoyed with you, and you never annoyed with them' is an ideal situation, and certainly something to aspire towards, as opposed to going 'its impossible, we should ignore it', I do thinking that finding someone who you will be able to forgive, and to be able to forget about the things that annoyed you, and to think about them when you have cause to, is doable.

In that sense 'True Love' exists.

 

 

Ultimately, though, no matter which way you look at it there are assumptions made about the fundermental make up of the universe which are built almost exclusively on our own personal experiances and our own personal thought processes. While we can debate and allow the thought processes a chance to reproduce themselves within each other's minds, we should not become annoyed that other people are unable to accept and agree with our assessments of the universe.

Well I knew you wouldn't agree. I know how you hate facing facts.

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Wow, since when was the term douchenozzle enough to get a post removed? It's not even a proper insult, it's just an internet term for someone who in some way hurts or brings difficulty to others through acting selfishly.

I suppose the real question is, if I said 'Quit being a Matherard' would you/other people be offended, even though I just made it up?

 

Mather, being your name, which indicates that it is a personality trait.

Retard, meaning to slowing down or to hinder progress or otherwise delay.

 

Obviously I would never call you that because it is offensive and people who are not you may take offense to it, even if you don't personally. It is merely included to demonstate how your 'Its not really a real insult' argument is flawed.

 

Half-wit would be another term I could use, which is English Slang, similar to your 'Internet Term', yet may still cause offence.

 

I would strongly recommend you look at the rules a little more often, since the purpose of them is not to stop you from insulting people, but is to stop other people from being insulted BY you.

(And so much other jargon which is rubbish, yet, by using these forums we agree to abide by.)

In fact I would not, because I can take being called something that I am, which is socially retarded. And no, half-wit also means low intelligence, douchenozzle is just a more mature form of meanie.

 

Since when is a real-man all angsty about love?

Real men treat women to what they deserve, which is respect, kindness and faithfulness.

 

And no, there's no angst. I have accepted the fact that hey, even if I were to get a girlfriend now, in half a year I'm moving all the way up to the polar circle for a while, so it would be kind of wasted.

I'm chill with how things are, I just can't take someone shitting on what we nice guys are trying to establish.

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In my personal belief:

 

True love does not exist, but that's because I use true love meaning a love that is decided by fate. As in, two people are destined to be together and when they find each other they will know it. That does not happen, it just doesn't.

 

I believe the stage, which is love, that is; the stage in which you have fully let someone into your life, you trust them completely, they know you completely, and no matter what you can always come back to this stage. Now, I've never really reached that with a person except for family members (hell if you see someone everday for 17 years, you're going to end up letting them in.), but I do believe that this stage is possible to reach with anyone in the world. Everyone has the potential to get on with each other and love each other, it's just the possibility of that happening is nearly impossible. For example a white supremisist becoming best friends with Samuel L Jackson. I mean it could happen, feelings for other people make people do weird things, and even change themselves internally.

 

Now love does not have to be mutual, the person you love does not have to love you and vice versa. This is where problems arise. See, people have some internal urge to be loved and to love someone. I don't know where this comes from, it could be society pushing its values of a strong nuclear family and hollywoods huge film industry which almost always promotes love. But people specifically look to fall in love, and begin to build an illusion where they might be in love with someone, but they only want it because society wants them to and they personally don't want to be in love with that person (now you may think that contradicts my point earlier, where people can fall in love with anyone, but no; that rule is absolute and overrides this one) and it leads to heartbreak.

 

Now I personally wish that people were more open to each other, in respect that complete honesty all the time. If you've ever seen the invention of lying, that is my ideal world. Although then again, that's personal opinion, I'd rather have brutal honesty than to be tricked.

 

So to summarise, true love does not exist, love exists, I believe it'd be easier if people were more honest to each other.

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I didn't catch fire, I used the can of hairspray as a flamethrower and pointed it at my arm.

how are you going to ignore my posts when I'm offering to let you live as my vassal in two weeks time?

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Okay, ladies, please calm down about this topic of "True Love". Even I'm thinking this is getting blown outta porportion.

 

There is no real way to prove whether or not "True Love" exists. You either believe it, or don't believe it. End of story. I personally believe that true love exists, but doesn't exist (it's a bit complicated to explain).

 

Now please switch to a different topic before the Back Room becomes locked again.

 

 

 

Also: Yay! I'm not insane! Super depressed self go bye bye! -is to happy to speak proper English-

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I got this one bro.

 

Let's talk about how awesome that I am lD

 

Jkjk.

 

How are all of you? c:

(PS...it's Vix on a different account... I kinda...forgot the password for my old one and I don't remember the email that I had with it... ;___; /shot)

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Hi Night! Also.. The last argument. Blew my mind. ... What the hell. Why is there an argument abou- never mind. Just.. Leavin it there, in the air, waving like it jsut don't care.

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You Get What You Give x Love Circulation

 

I think it fits the moment, in a sense. :rolleyes:

(Mostly I just like mashups)

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