tripsis Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Time for a new release of the: >>>Tip.It Times!<<< EDITORIAL PANEL DISCUSSION THREAD:This thread is for discussing and debating the week's articles. If you would like to comment on the overall structure or direction of the Editorial Panel, please use the discussion topic in the Website Discussion forum. I'd like to remind people of the rules pertaining to Times threads: [hide=Read these rules before posting in this thread]Rampant flame wars have taken control of virtually every week's times discussion topics. The following guidelines must be followed when posting on this topic. Posts that ignore these guidelines will be removed. 1. You are invited and welcome to express like or dislike on articles and a particular author's writing style. It is not acceptable, however, to flame or personally insult an author. Posts that aren't anything but an attack will be removed from the topic. 2. Spelling and grammar errors can be reported to tripsis by PMing her and they will be fixed promptly. It is not necessary to post them on the discussion topic. 3. Off topic posts that do not discuss the content of that week's articles will be removed. This is not the place to discuss the direction of the times, how much you love or hate the times, etc. Off topic posts will be removed. By keeping within these guidelines, Times discussion topics will mean more for the Panel and Administration than just a place for flame wars. Flame wars do not provide any useful feedback to the Times, which is mainly what we're aiming for with these topics: feedback. This policy is effective as of now, November 17, 2010. Any posts prior to the creation of this policy may or may not be removed according to the new guidelines.[/hide] When replying please make sure to clarify the article you are replying to! Thanks! If you spot any typos or mistakes in the article then please PM them to @tripsis :) Enjoy the articles! - 99 fletching | 99 thieving | 99 construction | 99 herblore | 99 smithing | 99 woodcutting - - 99 runecrafting - 99 prayer - 125 combat - 95 farming - - Blog - DeviantART - Book Reviews & Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J35u5_M4 Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 To Josh; welcome back to the light side =D> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Josh, great article! A very enjoyable read. My PM's always on if you need a friend. :) RIP Michaelangelopolous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonewall337 Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 The first article was interesting, and I rather enjoyed it. Well done! My thoughts, I quit RS when I was almost 20. Age had nothing to do with it. Playing Rs is no more or less an indication of maturity then playing an other game, rather its how you manage gaming in relation to everything else in life which is a mark of maturity. WoW actually has a similar issue, although the thing is in WoW, a lot of the player base is getting older, meaning that they don't have as much time, or set time, (Time they can schedule every week to PvP, raid, etc) as they used to. Its a problem any MMO would have to answer, how to keep the older, limited player base interested, while training up the newer generation through content that is hard enough to actually enable them to do content later on. Its a balancing act. To Josh: I think that it is as much as testament to the "end game" of RS (There is none, everything relies around levels) as anything that botting for levels was so common. Considering the only real bragging rights, besides "skill" in PVP, or MHing, or amount of money had was in levels, the incentive to bot is and was huge. That's a game design philosophy flaw on Jagex's fault IMO. Its also why I quit RS, in part, no end game. But yes, when I played RS, I played for the personal drive, making and setting goals. That's always what keeps me interested in a game. When that dies, I quit. [hide=Drops]Araxxor Eye x1 Leg pieces x2GWD: 5000 Addy bar Steam B Staff x3 Z Spear x6 Sara. Hilt x2 Bandos Hilt x2 (LS, Solo)SS x6 (1 LS)Tormented Demons: Shard x6 Slice x5 Claws x9 Limbs x3DKS: Archer x21 Warrior x31 Berserker x30 Axe x51[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthaddict Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 First article was very good. The botting article was also good and showed an interesting viewpoint that is sadly not heard much, a regretting botter. Hey Josh welcome back to playing rs for real, and if u need a friend to talk to, just pm me, Addict Kevan. [/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spydr_Queen Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 This is for the Former Botter article: Josh, your article was wonderful! It moved me deeply and I am glad to see a former botter come clean and see the error of his ways. Welcome back to the good side of Runescape! Thank you so much for your article! "Oh I love God, he's so deliciously evil!" ~Stewie, Family Guy"If I don't kill a man every now and then, they forget who I am" ~Captain Blackbeard"If it ain't fun, yer doin' it wrong" ~Pirates vs Ninjas Clan Motto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudecrush8 Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Thanks you very much for the article Josh! Welcome back to RS! :thumbsup: "300 programmers make their futile but glorious last stand against 1000000 angry players in The battle of Misthalin. They fight for honor, glory and new content sacrificing themselves so that their game may live on. This is Madness! This Is JAGEEEX!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Who Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 The support from everyone is actually really cool. I more expected people to come with the pitchforks. If anyone has any questions or anything lemme know. Stonewall, i know alot of the people who used paid bots used them to gain prestige. Money, skills, the bots were a means to an end. I think it is more a testament to the fact that there are few ways to level some skills, if you dont enjoy the base skills like mining, wcing etc. then you really have an issue. Conversely if you dont like leveling up combat via training than your really shit outta luck. So it often starts as a means to an end and gets outta hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pal2002 Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Hello Josh, Like you have realized, botters like you really have diminished how I came to view all of my hard earned achievements and eventually leading me to quit the game after almost 10 years of playing. I personally removed friend after friend from my list after realizing that they were bots. I even had the pleasure of talking to auto talkers running on long time friends. I never thought I would ever forgive a botter for ruining this game I loved (and mind you, it is still in quite the ruinous state and will probably never recover) - but if I'm ever forgive a botter, it might as well start with you. Because at least you realized how much botting was hurting others instead of just helping you. And because you give a damn at least. Who I can't stand are botters who have took the 'never give up' attitude to the wrong cause, and somehow justified their behavior as a righteous cause. However greedy and corrupt the new corporate jagex have become, cheating and belittling other's work is never justified. While I don't actively play anymore, I do hope you and other recovering botters find some joy in this game again as it once brought me. And ffs...it is not just a leveling or money contest. I would prefer even to fail with honor than to win by cheating - Sophocles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirschen Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I loved the guest article the best because of the unique viewpoint and amount of detail put into it. I was too preoccupied looking at that one to pay attention too. Josh (or "The Doctor" if you want that), I feel the need to add you if it helps you re-integrate into this game more easily. :D Well done on this week. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluud Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Great article, enjoyed it heaps. :thumbsup: It did make me think while I'm still playing too, I came to realise that the main reason is friends, without RuneScape I would never have met these people and wouldn't have possibly life long friendships if you keep in touch with them, so people who say playing RuneScape is mature just because they don't play anymore or haven't tried it possibly might not have these friendships. Me behave? Seriously? As a child I saw Tarzan almost naked, Cinderella arrived home from a party after midnight, Pinocchio told lies, Aladin was a thief, Batman drove over 200 miles an hour, Snow White lived in a house with seven men, Popeye smoked a pipe and had tattoos, Pac man ran around to digital music while eating pills that enhanced his performance, and Shaggy and Scooby were mystery solving hippies who always had the munchies. The fault is not mine! if you had this childhood and loved it put this in your signature! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cow Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Wow. Very moving guest article, Josh, in addition to the other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonewall337 Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Meh I think people would enjoy the grind in RS more if voice coms were more common. I'm logged into vent/mumble almost 100% of the time I am at my computer, if not playing WoW shooting the shit. [hide=Drops]Araxxor Eye x1 Leg pieces x2GWD: 5000 Addy bar Steam B Staff x3 Z Spear x6 Sara. Hilt x2 Bandos Hilt x2 (LS, Solo)SS x6 (1 LS)Tormented Demons: Shard x6 Slice x5 Claws x9 Limbs x3DKS: Archer x21 Warrior x31 Berserker x30 Axe x51[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaz Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I Don't Want to Grow Up Great article. This can definitely apply to me, as I am basically in the same position as the author. I really only play the game anymore to interact with some friends and the clan that I'm in. Beyond that, I can see how I'm sort of just stuck in my habits over the past 8+ years. Clusterfluttered Economy A great perspective on the economy - and I would never have known anything about the rares like that. Lots of good information. It's reassuring to know that new players will at least have a much better shot at making money so that they will be able to reach those that have played for years. Heck, I don't even know how to make 100k+ in an hour off the top of my head, so good luck to them! RuneScape From a Former Botter Very good article. I wish the best to Josh, and because he has the name Doctor Who I am sure he's epic for that reason only (I kid :P). But really, best of luck. I'm not one to hold grudges, and I cane relate to the reasons one might turn to in order to bot in the first place. I cannot agree with them, of course, but I can understand them. The way he presents the "negatives" of botting is also fantastic. It is a side to botting and macroing that people just don't share with others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jrhairychest Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Clusterfluttered Economy was a good, positive article. It's nice to see the EP get back to writing such articles again .Nice one Sees :thumbup:. RuneScape From a Former Botter - I am astounded by such honesty. Such a refreshing point of view. The best article I've read on the Times. Need I say more? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vann Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Hi my name is Vann. I am a former botter. Almost 3 months "Sober". 2001-2006: Legit2006-2010: Legit with breaks to play private servers2011: Dice host for money with botting on the side for non-buyables2012: Legit and on the road to happiness Same issue as Josh but I have gained a new interest in the game as I begin on the road to Max cape. Good luck Josh. If you want any help getting re-accustomed to things send me a PM on here and I'll add you (friends list is private). Great articles overall this week! Always loved reading these. Peace,Vann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erewhon2 Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Good articles in general this week. For the first article i feel I should say that I am a mature player (40's) and have been playing for about 5+ years. Some people find it very hard to understand why I enjoy it so much, but there is actually a fairly large adult community out there :P With regard to the last article, I have to say the botter gone straight really moved me, it seemed to be directly from the heart and honest. Well done Josh for coming back to a fun game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregorDGrim Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Good articles in general this week. For the first article i feel I should say that I am a mature player (40's) and have been playing for about 5+ years. Some people find it very hard to understand why I enjoy it so much, but there is actually a fairly large adult community out there :P With regard to the last article, I have to say the botter gone straight really moved me, it seemed to be directly from the heart and honest. Well done Josh for coming back to a fun game.Other than the fact that I've been playing for less than a year, this could have been my post exactly. I don't think age plays that large of a part in how mature someone acts in Runescape. There are extremely immature 20-somethings who play, just as there are 15 year olds who represent themselves very well in the game. The musings of a newbie going after his second thousand levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaz Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I've been told quite a few times that they're surprised I'm as young as I am! So definitely: age is not all that important, it's how the person carries him or herself regardless of their demographics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skwydd Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Re: I don't want to grow up I finally registered on Tip It so I could respond to Hamtaro and Erewhon2. Having only discovered RS in November of 2008 when Skwydd Jr. was not yet a year old and I was 50, I just want to say that I also don't ever want to grow up. My current total level is 1779, still a noob, still learning and gleaning from Tip It, and already having forgotten more than I know now. Skwydd Jr. is three and a half now and still sits on my lap as I play RS so if I don't repond to your PM it may just be because it is too hard to type with one hand. -Skwydd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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