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Shouldn't we be focusing on the Lord's Resistance Army instead of what I can only assume is pawn for a corrupt faction? Although, I don't see a way to go about pleasing the Ugandan people. Their choices are either the corrupt group in power, a corrupt group fighting for power, or a group chosen by, and brought in from, foreign countries.

Kony is the leader of the LRA. Focusing on him and the LRA are one and the same.

 

Not really, he's replaceable.


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Shouldn't we be focusing on the Lord's Resistance Army instead of what I can only assume is pawn for a corrupt faction? Although, I don't see a way to go about pleasing the Ugandan people. Their choices are either the corrupt group in power, a corrupt group fighting for power, or a group chosen by, and brought in from, foreign countries.

Kony is the leader of the LRA. Focusing on him and the LRA are one and the same.

 

Not really, he's replaceable.

Sure, in the same context of Hitler being replaceable as the leader of the Nazis.


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The only thing that annoy's me about this is that yesterday, people wouldn't have given two shits about kids in Uganda. Now that it's become big, they are all jumping in on the bandwagon and supporting it. I know you can argue that they didn't know that this was happening before, but still.

 

Thats the whole reason something like this works.


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I thought it was a noble cause until I saw the prices for the "awareness kits".

 

I am going to research further.

 

Good luck. The internet already exploded and scattered into sects of unwavering vigilantism and determined skepticism.

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Good luck. The internet already exploded and scattered into sects of unwavering vigilantism and determined skepticism.

 

Doesn't it always...


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What group do I fit in if I'm aware of the fact that Kony needs to be stopped but I know this KONY 2012 COVER THE NIGHT is complete bullshit?


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The group of people who aren't gullible and realize that supporting a cause by pushing the "Like" button or "I'm attending" button does absolutely nothing to change anything in this world.


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Shouldn't we be focusing on the Lord's Resistance Army instead of what I can only assume is pawn for a corrupt faction? Although, I don't see a way to go about pleasing the Ugandan people. Their choices are either the corrupt group in power, a corrupt group fighting for power, or a group chosen by, and brought in from, foreign countries.

Kony is the leader of the LRA. Focusing on him and the LRA are one and the same.

 

Not really, he's replaceable.

Sure, in the same context of Hitler being replaceable as the leader of the Nazis.

 

Or in the same way Osama was for Al Qaeda?

 

The group of people who aren't gullible and realize that supporting a cause by pushing the "Like" button or "I'm attending" button does absolutely nothing to change anything in this world.

 

The same thing happened with the bullshit SOPA logos, signatures, tags, stickers, and so on.


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Or in the same way Osama was for Al Qaeda?

 

Similarly. But even then, Osama was more of a figurehead than a practical leader. Kony is both.

 

The same thing happened with the bullshit SOPA logos, signatures, tags, stickers, and so on.

 

I'd so that was a little bit of a different situation as the issue was affecting the internet itself - so the activism that took place on the internet was more meaningful.


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I'd so that was a little bit of a different situation as the issue was affecting the internet itself - so the activism that took place on the internet was more meaningful.

 

Sure, more meaningful. Still not a whit more effective and impactful - which are traits both situations share.


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Of course you also have to be critical of everyone even if they are trying to bring a tyrant to justice... http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/

 

edit: saw on page 4 someone also posted this. checked the first 3 then for some reason skipped so 5... oops


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I'd so that was a little bit of a different situation as the issue was affecting the internet itself - so the activism that took place on the internet was more meaningful.

 

Sure, more meaningful. Still not a whit more effective and impactful - which are traits both situations share.

I don't know that I'd say raising awareness about something isn't at all impactful...and in the case of SOPA, the blackouts and such raised awareness in the demographic specifically affected by the legislation; which in turn caused a greater volume of complaints to the government, which of course was effective.

 

In the same way, raising awareness about this cause isn't necessarily impactful in and of itself, but raising awareness raises the amount of money raised, which is usually impactful to some small degree.


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On Facebook, arguing with people on my own status about how I don't support KONY 2012:

 

you're not willing to open your mind to what we're saying, and we are definitely not going to consider what you're saying.

 

DONE!


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No one is forcing you to listen to anyone talk about shit. That big red x in the corner of your internet browser exists for a reason (unless you have a mac, in which case you're beyond help). As an afterthought, you are either a morally bankrupt individual or an angry teenager (likely a metal fan) who thinks they've figured it all out. Maybe develop some principles that stick with you for more than six months before you act so cynical.

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After reading the few pages of this post, All I can say is that this is all complete horse shit. I don't really care about this Kony guy and what he is doing over in Africa. I mean, yeah, it is horrible and all, but as Americans (some of us here), we don't need any more conflict. We are already hated by 75% of other countries because we overstep our boundaries.

 

Now please. Stop spamming K0NY2012!!!!!!! on every damn Youtube video and Facebook status that I see. If you really want to do something about it, just stay the hell out of the whole situation. Please.

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Anyone who opposes KONY 2012 is heartless and should feel bad.


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Anyone who opposes KONY 2012 is heartless and should feel bad.

 

Anyone who jumps on the bandwagon is a clueless idiot and should feel bad for not knowing of an issue going on for 2 decades and finally finding out through Facebook.

 

 

Note to mods: I'm not flaming but simply showing the ridiculousness of this point

 


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Anyone who opposes KONY 2012 is heartless and should feel bad.

 

Anyone who jumps on the bandwagon is a clueless idiot and should feel bad for not knowing of an issue going on for 2 decades and finally finding out through Facebook.

 

 

Note to mods: I'm not flaming but simply showing the ridiculousness of this point

 

 

I won't deny the fact that I'm heartless and that I don't care random people thousands of miles away from me that have no baring on my life whatsoever.

 

If you actually cared about it, maybe you should donate money to the cause or something of the sort instead of trying to guilt people (a stubborn person in your case with me) into trying to believe what you do.

 

 

 

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Yes, this whole Kony 2012 thing is a joke.

 

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There's a difference between being for Kony, against Kony, and passive to Kony. Nobody here is supportive of Kony, but that doesn't mean we're all going to "spread the word" or volunteer in the Kony 2012 Corps for a daring assault of his compound.


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I dont really no much about this campaign, ive read a bit about it and all i've read is bad stuff about invisible children, 1/3 of donations actually going to the cause. Plus they send some of the money to the Uganda Military, which is pretty corrupt and their military do a lot of the stuff this KONY guy is doing. I heard he isnt even in Uganda anymore. I just think a lot of people are jumping on a bandwagon and trying to do the right thing before actually knowing the full details. Postering and flyering your city in most places is classed and vanadlism or illegal anyway.

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Gotta love the bandwagon, thinking a status update is going to do anything about an issue they just learned 5 minutes ago.

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Of course you also have to be critical of everyone even if they are trying to bring a tyrant to justice... http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/

 

edit: saw on page 4 someone also posted this. checked the first 3 then for some reason skipped so 5... oops

 

There's a rebuttal of many of the points of that article here: http://s3.amazonaws.com/www.invisiblechildren.com/critiques.html

 

To be honest even before I'd read the rebuttal I haven't been particularly impressed by any of the anti-Kony2012 arguments. Even if the charity is squeaky clean, I think you can support the cause without necessarily supporting the charity behind it. I'm not accusing you of saying this, but I find the whole "but it's more complex than that!" argument a little patronising. I get that the situation in Africa is incredibly complex and won't be solved by bringing Kony in. But I think these kind of people can go unpunished precisely because we second guess each other and the outcome of removing Kony et al. The issue is, does Kony deserve to be brought to justice and be judged for his crimes? I think the answer is unequivocally yes, and that's what I think the message of the campaign is about. Of course it won't fix everything, it might help, it might not. But I think if you have a conscience you have to ask yourself why wouldn't you want to try and stop him? You can debate the details of how that's done, and I think his removal has to come from within rather than with some occupation by foreign forces (which the campaign isn't pushing for), but if bringing him to justice gives some closure to the thousands of people he's affected, then it's worth it.


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