Dire_Wolf Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Not the rewards, but the actual concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Not bad, strictly speaking, but could definitely do with some improvement. No neutral option in the poll? I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 Not bad, strictly speaking, but could definitely do with some improvement. No neutral option in the poll?Unfortunately no. What could be improved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Star Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Bad. Anything that increases the gap between casual and hardcore players is bad in my opinion. A "Loyalty Programme" fits this perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bxpprod Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Does it's job. It keeps us playing and keeps us paying. [bleep] OFF HOW ARE U SO [bleep]ING LUCKY U PIECE OF [bleep]ING SHIT [bleep] [bleep] [wagon] MUNCHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 What could be improved?Some of the rewards are very expensive (Definitely the emotes, and now the ridiculously priced eyes), and a 15k point cap is low with that in mind (Though the aura price reduction is a step in the right direction, but it's not enough). There's also no way to try out any of the (more expensive) rewards before you buy them, so it's easy to save up for a couple of months and get stuck with an item you'll never touch again, or a way to sell back said items. Also, you can add a neutral option, edit post -> use full editor. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 Some of the rewards are very expensive (Definitely the emotes, and now the ridiculously priced eyes), and a 15k point cap is low with that in mind (Though the aura price reduction is a step in the right direction, but it's not enough). There's also no way to try out any of the (more expensive) rewards before you buy them, so it's easy to save up for a couple of months and get stuck with an item you'll never touch again, or a way to sell back said items. Also, you can add a neutral option, edit post -> use full editor.Thanks for elaborating. I won't add neutral because the poll asks you to make a opinion of the programme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Neutral IS a valid opinion.It means you do not find anything particularly wrong but equally don;t find anything particularly worthy of merit. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 Neutral IS a valid opinion.It means you do not find anything particularly wrong but equally don;t find anything particularly worthy of merit.I ask people to vote if they find it good or bad. I don't ask them to vote "I am neutral". If anyone feels nothing about the programme, nor good or bad - don't vote. Then your vote won't be registered as good or bad even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 But that is awfully exclusionary.Why are we only allowed to vote an opinion if we are in one of the extreme camps of good or bad? Excluding anyone in the middle ground from having an effective vote entirely nullifies the purpose of any results as it means the existing options are skewed by people being forced to vote for one they don't rightly want too and the numbers being entirely skewed as the usual majority of middle ground views have been excluded. A neutral opinion is not the same as having no opinion. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 But that is awfully exclusionary.Why are we only allowed to vote an opinion if we are in one of the extreme camps of good or bad? Excluding anyone in the middle ground from having an effective vote entirely nullifies the purpose of any results as it means the existing options are skewed by people being forced to vote for one they don't rightly want too and the numbers being entirely skewed as the usual majority of middle ground views have been excluded. A neutral opinion is not the same as having no opinion.Noone is forced to vote for A or B, they can simply choose not to vote.And i don't see being neutral as having a opinion. Now if you are neutral, then simply not vote. :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaur Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 The concept is kinda cool. Everyone has a chance to get the items and it's equal and fair for all paying members.It's a total opposite of the retarded 'vanity' items which only favour players who live in certain areas in the world. When you live in a wrong place you simply can't get them. A good game is fair and gives everybody a chance :thumbdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 A neutral opinion is not the same as having no opinion.This!My opinion is that the program is good on paper but can do with some improvement, which they seem to be working on. That isn't the same as good or bad, and if I voted one way or the other, it'll be all too easy to take my result out of context. Asking that group to simply not vote makes this entire poll even more absurd. Especially since I get the impression that you're fishing for negative opinions about it :-? I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 If you can't see how neutrality is a valid opinion you need to go to school. Personally my opinion is entirely neutral.It has good merits in the idea of rewarding loyalty and some decent rewards.It also has bad points in the point earning rate vs costs. It's still an opinion that I could elaborate on further if I desired but it is most definitely neutral. The negative aspects mean I do not view it as 'good' while the positives ensure it do not view it as 'bad' either. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 I edited the poll and included scale rating with 0 being neutral. Not that neutrality will be the case in this poll. Because i doubt most people would vote neutral because they have a great insight on the concept of the programme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Of course they won't vote neutral when you intentionally put neutral outside the good to bad scale so rather than neutral it becomes "no opinion" True neutral votes will land around 5 and 6 on your scale eg right between good and bad in the place where opinion is neutral (neither good nor bad) Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 Of course they won't vote neutral when you intentionally put neutral outside the good to bad scale so rather than neutral it becomes "no opinion" True neutral votes will land around 5 and 6 on your scale eg right between good and bad in the place where opinion is neutral (neither good nor bad)Neutral is included now, what's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Of course they won't vote neutral when you intentionally put neutral outside the good to bad scale so rather than neutral it becomes "no opinion" True neutral votes will land around 5 and 6 on your scale eg right between good and bad in the place where opinion is neutral (neither good nor bad)Neutral is included now, what's the problem? There isn't one. I was just commenting on your smart ass remark about how people won't vote neutral. Seeing as you purposefully choose to label the usual 'no opinion' option as 'neutral' full well knowing that the people asking for a neutral option meant they were in the grey area between good and bad opinion wise. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 There isn't one. I was just commenting on your smart ass remark about how people won't vote neutral. Seeing as you purposefully choose to label the usual 'no opinion' option as 'neutral' full well knowing that the people asking for a neutral option meant they were in the grey area between good and bad opinion wise.There isn't a neutral option? Look again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 You said what's the problem? I said there isn't one. I did not say there isn't a neutral option as CLEARLY indicated by the fact the rest of my post referenced it. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 You said what's the problem? I said there isn't one. I did not say there isn't a neutral option as CLEARLY indicated by the fact the rest of my post referenced it.Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hegelstad Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Make: I don't like itI like itI couldn't care less and call it a day. Personally its a [bleep] that old loyal customers doesn't benefit, only new so called "loyal" players get the good stuff. My lame drops:6 Effigys1 D Med - 1 D Dagger1 Verac's Helmet - 1 Guthan's Platebody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 Make: I don't like itI like itI couldn't care less and call it a day. Personally its a [bleep] that old loyal customers doesn't benefit, only new so called "loyal" players get the good stuff.Was gonna change it to 5 being neutral, but it's kinda to late for that now:SEDIT: Changed it afterall. Also new customers don't benefit. I think you must been member for two consecutive months to start getting points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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