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2012 U.S. Elections - President Obama Re-elected


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  1. 1. Which Candidate Will You Vote For?

    • Mitt Romney
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    • Barack Obama
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    • Other (For all you Ron Paulers)
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That list has some of the stupidest shit on it. Did you even read it before copying it off of some blog? Just because both candidates support one thing or both don't support one thing doesn't mean they're the same. Neither candidate supporting abolishing the IRS is a valid reason for them being "essentially the same candidate?"

 

Some other laughable ones from there:

 

>25. They both support the job-killing “free trade” agenda of the global elite.

>30. They both believe in the theory of man-made global warming.

>34. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the Boy Scout ban on openly gay troop leaders is wrong.

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41. They're both running for president.

 

 

I think part of the reason Romney chose Ryan was because he wanted to show he intends to govern as a conservative, not as a moderate. Had he picked a moderate, a tea partier might argue that you're swapping one big government champion with another.

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Whoops that was a terrible list. I actually copied it off a blog without checking that normally has good content.

 

I say that Obama and Romney are about the same because policy wont change much with either of them.

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Tbh, I actually want Romney to win. Certainly not because I like him, but just because I don't think it's going to make a difference, and I want to say I was around for x number of administrations.

 

Correct it wont make a difference.

 

The following are 40 ways that Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are essentially the same candidate….

 

1. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney

TARP.

 

Which probably saved the Economy. Also Romney has gone back on his support for it (surprising)

 

2. Mitt Romney supported Barack Obama’s “economic stimulus” packages.

 

See above

 

3. Mitt Romney says that Barack Obama’s bailout of the auto industry was actually his idea.

 

No it wasn't, Romney is just trying to save face because the bailout worked.

 

4. Neither candidate supports immediately balancing the federal budget.

 

And? Debt isn't that bad, especially when you're only paying a low intrest rate on it.

 

5. They both believe in big government and they both have a track record of being big spenders while in office.

 

Once again, spending money during a recession is a good thing.

 

6. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both fully support the Federal Reserve.

 

And how do you propose ending it?

 

7. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are both on record as saying that the president should not question the “independence” of the Federal Reserve.

 

See above

 

8. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both said that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke did a good job during the last financial crisis.

 

...

 

9. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both felt that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke deserved to be renominated to a second term.

 

...

 

10. Both candidates oppose a full audit of the Federal Reserve.

 

...

 

11. Both candidates are on record as saying that U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has done a good job.

 

I don't know enough about what he's done to comment on this.

 

12. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both been big promoters of universal health care.

 

And Romney has once again flip flopped away from supporting it.

 

13. Mitt Romney was the one who developed the plan that Obamacare was later based upon.

 

^

 

14. Wall Street absolutely showers both candidates with campaign contributions.

 

No candidate is going to turn down donations. Wall street buys off both candidates, and if there was a viable third party candidate they would probably shower them in donations too.

 

15. Neither candidate wants to eliminate the income tax or the IRS.

 

Good, because that would be a terrible idea.

 

16. Both candidates want to keep personal income tax rates at the exact same levels for the vast majority of Americans.

 

Romney wants to raise middle class taxes and cut taxes for the very wealthy.

 

17. Both candidates are “open” to the idea of imposing a Value Added Tax on the American people.

 

I'm doubtful of this one, as Romney wants no new taxes, and Obama only wants a tax increase on the wealthy.

 

18. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the TSA is doing a great job.

 

I'll give you this one.

 

19. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the NDAA.

 

The NDAA isn't as big of a deal as a lot of people make of it. It didn't even introduce any new powers, just reaffirmed them. Not to mention it was passed by veto proof margins.

 

20. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the renewal of the Patriot Act.

 

Ok, you're 2 for 20 on valid points.

 

21. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the federal government should be able to indefinitely detain American citizens that are considered to be terrorists.

 

Obama tried to close Guantanamo, but it was blocked by congress.

 

22. Both candidates believe that American citizens suspected of being terrorists can be killed by the president without a trial.

 

Cops shoot and kill people without a trial all the time. If someone is in Yemen working with terrorist groups, them being an American citizen doesn't change anything.

 

23. Barack Obama has not closed Guantanamo Bay like he promised to do, and Mitt Romney actually wants to double the number of prisoners held there.

 

See above.

 

24. Both candidates support the practice of “extraordinary rendition”.

 

This is just more about the patriot act.

 

25. They both support the job-killing “free trade” agenda of the global elite.

 

You're contradicting yourself. You want free markets and no taxes, but you want a regulated trade system?

 

26. They both accuse each other of shipping jobs out of the country and both of them are right.

 

 

 

27. Both candidates are extremely soft on illegal immigration.

 

Obama wants to grant amnesty to some illegals so they can become productive members of society, while deporting criminals, while Romney thinks he can make them all self deport some how.

 

28. Neither candidate has any military experience. This is the first time that this has happened in a U.S. election since 1944.

 

And? Obama was born too recently to be drafted during Vietnam, and Romney dodged service by doing 'missionary work' overseas.

 

29. Both candidates earned a degree from Harvard University.

 

Which is good. Anti-intellectualism is a dangerous thing.

 

30. They both believe in the theory of man-made global warming.

 

Romney has once again gone back on his belief in global warming, while Obama supports green jobs.

 

31. Mitt Romney has said that he will support a “cap and trade” carbon tax scheme (like the one Barack Obama wants) as long

.

 

I don't necessarily support cap and trade, but Romney has made it clear he is no longer in favour of any sort of carbon tax.

 

32. Both candidates have a very long record of supporting strict gun control measures.

 

Yet another position Romney once supported but has flip flopped on. Obama may support gun control, but he hasn't done anything to legislate on it, and has announced no plans to.

 

33. Both candidates have been pro-abortion most of their careers. Mitt Romney’s “conversion” to the pro-life cause has been questioned by many. In fact, Mitt Romney has made millions on Bain Capital’s investment in a company called “Stericycle” that incinerates aborted babies collected from family planning clinics.

 

*Pro choice, and Romney has yet again changed his position on this issue.

 

34. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the Boy Scout ban on openly gay troop leaders is wrong.

 

Which it is.

 

35. They both believe that a “two state solution” will bring lasting peace between the Palestinians and Israel.

 

It seems like the best solution, seeing has both sides have shown they can't live together in peace.

 

36. Both candidates have a history of nominating extremely liberal judges.

 

I have a very hard time believing that 2012 Romney would appoint liberal judges.

 

37. Like Barack Obama, Mitt Romney also plans to add “signing statements” to bills when he signs them into law.

 

Not sure what you're getting at here.

 

38. They both have a horrible record when it comes to job creation.

 

Obama's record is low because of the numerous stimulus plans and jobs bills the Republicans have shot down. Romney's policies simply weren't effective.

 

39. Both candidates believe that the president has the power to take the country to war without getting the approval of the U.S. Congress.

 

Show me an example of Obama saying that (And Libya doesn't count)

 

40. Both candidates plan to continue running up more government debt even though the U.S. government is already 16 trillion dollars in debt.

 

Once again, spending during a recession isn't a bad thing.

 

That was a very poor list. Most of the points are wrong, non issues or the same issue brought up multiple times.

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@ Range about Joe Biden: Exactly. Biden is the Berlusconi of American politics.


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College graduates should not have to live out their 20s in their childhood bedrooms, staring up at fading Obama posters and wondering when they can move out and get going with life.

 

 

Hilarious and spot-on at the same time.

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Not sure if any of you bothered to watch the Republican National Convention. Lots of personal stories, made Romney seem human. That was probably the point, especially with all the character assassination going on.

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I watched Ryan's speech yesterday, and most of today's up until right before Romney came out. I would of watched the whole thing, but ASU football took priority.

 

I actually thought they did a good job humanizing Mitt, and in particular when they brought up his relationship with his father. I didn't particularly care how much religion keep getting used as a way to reason issues. I was a bit surprised by the Senator from Florida that opened for Romney, I was really impressed with his delivery. I doubt it was intentional, but he totally stole Condolissa Rice's closing story.

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Mitt's speech last night was decent, but it wasn't anything special. That everyone is talking about Clint Eastwood's whatever that was says a lot about how even after all the humanization, Romney is just not that exciting. It should be interesting to see what Obama and the Democrats can do next week.

 

As for Marco Rubio, I thought his speech was one of the worst major speeches of the whole convention. He said nothing about policy, barley talked about the man he was introducing, and went on about religion for half the speech. I think there are a good number of Americans who would be offended by someone telling them they aren't real Americans because they don't believe in the Abrahamic God.

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It's very strange to go that way too because the religious far-right in America have already been won over by Ryan's selection for VP, surely. So why go on about it, at the risk of alienating those in the centre, or those on the left who feel disenfranchised from Obama?

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http://news.yahoo.com/democrats-change-platform-add-god-jerusalem-211928130--election.html

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-dems-to-reinstate-jerusalem-language-in-dnc-platform/

 

Pew Research indicates that 92% of Americans believe in God or a higher being, and that 78% of Americans are Christian. Watching the debacle unfold, I felt embarrassed for the Democrats. This shouldn't have been an issue at all, and the fact that it is an issue within the party is a bit telling.

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So I've had a bit of a switch of sides. While according to my political stance I still feel that Obama is the best bet for Americans given the two choices, I don't live in the USA. I live in Canada, and the Republicans have historically been better for us, because of their free trade policies (as opposed to the protectionist policies of the Democrats). Romney and whoever his potential VP is don't hit me as likely to start a nuclear war, or drag us into anything else (of course, if the Canadian government signed up for another war right now that party could expect to not be elected to power again for at least 40 years when all the angry people are dead), which is a refreshing change from the last election.

 

So yeah, go Romney. Let us flourish.

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That's... selfish...? of you. #-o

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So I've had a bit of a switch of sides. While according to my political stance I still feel that Obama is the best bet for Americans given the two choices, I don't live in the USA. I live in Canada, and the Republicans have historically been better for us, because of their free trade policies (as opposed to the protectionist policies of the Democrats). Romney and whoever his potential VP is don't hit me as likely to start a nuclear war, or drag us into anything else (of course, if the Canadian government signed up for another war right now that party could expect to not be elected to power again for at least 40 years when all the angry people are dead), which is a refreshing change from the last election.

 

So yeah, go Romney. Let us flourish.

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So I've had a bit of a switch of sides. While according to my political stance I still feel that Obama is the best bet for Americans given the two choices, I don't live in the USA. I live in Canada, and the Republicans have historically been better for us, because of their free trade policies (as opposed to the protectionist policies of the Democrats). Romney and whoever his potential VP is don't hit me as likely to start a nuclear war, or drag us into anything else (of course, if the Canadian government signed up for another war right now that party could expect to not be elected to power again for at least 40 years when all the angry people are dead), which is a refreshing change from the last election.

 

So yeah, go Romney. Let us flourish.

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That's... selfish...? of you. #-o

 

That's not selfish at all. This is called foreign policy. Randox is simply saying that he supports x candidate because of their foreign policy effecting their country. That's not selfish at all. The whole point of elections and supporting candidates is because those candidates are promoting your ideas and what is good for you. It's pretty basic politics...

 

 

 

On another note, I'm surprised seeing Bill Clinton trying to run for a 3rd term.

I wonder if someone will understand it before I start being attacked.

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The problem with Randox's reasoning is that it doesn't matter what foreign policy an American President pursues, really, and especially not from a warmongering perspective. Large scale invasions are not going to be politically acceptable in the USA for quite some years, thanks to Bush and his love of adventurism, though successes like Libya might quickly make them more acceptable again. Romney would likely do no more than assist/sanction an Israeli strike on Iran - for which he would not try and get any allies involved, lest he wanted to lose them (Israel is too unpopular for support in European countries to be politically viable) - and even this has become less likely ever since Netanyahu formed a coalition with the Likud party. So this is not a risk either way.

 

In addition to this, I might add that being a US ally does not make one subject to every whim of the American presidents. In the 1960s, when the USA was still at its prime and had more clout, France under de Gaulle openly flaunted NATO (and even left, I believe) and pursued a very independent minded foreign policy, but the US did not alienate or give up on them. Similarly, in the 1960s the British opted out of the Vietnam War. For you lot in Canada, it is up to the foreign policy of your the Harper government whether or not to support America in the unlikely event that there were to be a war, and isn't a consideration that should be made when forming opinions on the American electoral process. Today more than ever, with China on the rise and becoming territorially assertive (to say the least) in Asia-Pacific, all American leaders are going to be more cautious about not alienating their allies in the way Bush did. This is how foreign policy works.


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So I've had a bit of a switch of sides. While according to my political stance I still feel that Obama is the best bet for Americans given the two choices, I don't live in the USA. I live in Canada, and the Republicans have historically been better for us, because of their free trade policies (as opposed to the protectionist policies of the Democrats). Romney and whoever his potential VP is don't hit me as likely to start a nuclear war, or drag us into anything else (of course, if the Canadian government signed up for another war right now that party could expect to not be elected to power again for at least 40 years when all the angry people are dead), which is a refreshing change from the last election.

 

So yeah, go Romney. Let us flourish.

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That's... selfish...? of you. #-o

 

That's not selfish at all. This is called foreign policy. Randox is simply saying that he supports x candidate because of their foreign policy effecting their country. That's not selfish at all. The whole point of elections and supporting candidates is because those candidates are promoting your ideas and what is good for you. It's pretty basic politics...

 

 

 

On another note, I'm surprised seeing Bill Clinton trying to run for a 3rd term.

I wonder if someone will understand it before I start being attacked.

 

 

I'd vote for Clinton over Obama tbh.

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Of course we're not at your every whim, but your domestic and foreign policies both impact us, mostly through trade. As it relates to war, if you guys go to war, domestic spending and funding shifts, which causes shifts in the cross border trade. If someone goes to war with you, that impacts us more. The reverse is also true.

 

A different consideration I have also skipped over through is the exchange rate, which is also very important for us. With our economy hit more softly, and recovering faster, we are once again stuck with a dollar at or above par with the USD, which is bad for our trade as a net exporter, and for our tourism industry (great time to go visit you guys though). Unfortunately, I am not familiar enough with the numbers (or able enough with that scale of math right now) to determine which factor (trade restrictions or exchange rate) will trump the other, or even which of your presidents will do the most to get you guys back on your feet, since I am not clairvoyant. If I had to guess, based on fiscal policy in regards to the tax structure, Obama seems more likely to get the masses spending more sooner, which is sort of key. Or maybe you guys have hit the point where giving the masses more money will only cause people to horde the extra out of fear, and giving more money to the wealthy is the better deal because at least they will spend.

 

And free trade isn't just us robbing you blind, since we do a fair bit of import from you as well, which gets more money into certain areas of the economy, so maybe a looser fiscal policy will help. Your at the advantage right now on the exchange rate, since our prices get more competitive in your country the less our dollar as worth.

 

 

If I lived there, I would probably be more concerned with some of the environmental and human rights issues. But I don't, so I care a lot more about your fiscal policy. Your not a totalitarian state, you can elect whoever you want. I'm just saying that historically, the republicans are better for Canada in terms of our own economic gains.

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For you lot in Canada, it is up to the foreign policy of your the Harper government whether or not to support America in the unlikely event that there were to be a war, and isn't a consideration that should be made when forming opinions on the American electoral process.

Too bad that Harper has shown that he is willing to bend over for the United States at every whim. I can't exactly blame him when the US is our biggest trading partner. As it stands right now, I am willing to assume that, in the case of a war, when the US will ask for aid from NATO, Canada will help them.

 

By the way, was Clinton's defense of Obama really that good or are the news outlets I'm reading just biased? They were raving about the Republican convention a while ago...

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That speech last night by Clinton was astounding. One of the best speeches I've ever heard in my life.

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For you lot in Canada, it is up to the foreign policy of your the Harper government whether or not to support America in the unlikely event that there were to be a war, and isn't a consideration that should be made when forming opinions on the American electoral process.

Too bad that Harper has shown that he is willing to bend over for the United States at every whim. I can't exactly blame him when the US is our biggest trading partner. As it stands right now, I am willing to assume that, in the case of a war, when the US will ask for aid from NATO, Canada will help them.

 

By the way, was Clinton's defense of Obama really that good or are the news outlets I'm reading just biased? They were raving about the Republican convention a while ago...

I don't think he "bends over at every whim"...he was quite critical of their decision to not allow the keystone pipeline, for instance..

 

I do agree he is more "America-friendly" than the liberals before him.

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