Arceus Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 After all, we wouldn't want to hurt their feelings. I don't know if bots are quite at this stage yet, but if you ignore them, presumably your status in their friends list changes to offline. After receiving 12 such advertisements in a period of only a few minutes last night, a thought occurred to me. If the bots are paying attention, they could act on this information by saying a) This person got our private message, so we have a live fish. Quick, spam them with 20 more! (This is happening with SMS spam and many other types when some sort of verification is provided, which is needed because random strings of numbers are generated.)b) This person is likely reporting us, so we better watch out. This could be used to formulate a list of high-risk potential customers. They could then spam messages to everyone on this list and cause as much grievance as possible during the number of hours it takes for reports to be processed, while saving the fresh accounts for new people or for players who appear not to report them. A similar argument could be made for muting them, but that's more of an "out of the frying pan, into the fire" dilemma. So should we just report these bots, without adding them to our ignore list? "Fight for what you believe in, and believe in what you're fighting for." Can games be art? --- My blog here if you want to check out my Times articles and other writings! I always appreciate comments/feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arceus Posted April 21, 2012 Author Share Posted April 21, 2012 Turn friendslist to friendsI know I can do that to avoid spammers, but I would rather have it on; besides, that was not my main point. "Fight for what you believe in, and believe in what you're fighting for." Can games be art? --- My blog here if you want to check out my Times articles and other writings! I always appreciate comments/feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thus Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 They spam me once every like 3 hours. I just report all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piu Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Recent Q&A says that reporting those PM ad-bots are helpful for helping them improve their chat filter which auto-mutes these type of bots. I'll find the post for you. EDIT: 14-15-509-63683909 Page 5. [hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide][hide]Never gonna give you up.[/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide][/hide]"We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 A similar argument could be made for muting them, but that's more of an "out of the frying pan, into the fire" dilemma.I've been muting them and have actually been getting a few more per day. Now up to 5. Not sure if they're paying that much attention. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arceus Posted April 22, 2012 Author Share Posted April 22, 2012 The number is under 10,000...but is it still over 9,000?! Joking aside, thanks Piu. "Fight for what you believe in, and believe in what you're fighting for." Can games be art? --- My blog here if you want to check out my Times articles and other writings! I always appreciate comments/feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I think it's entirely random, it's probably unlikely you'll receive the same PM from the same bot as it is. So I'm not sure how beneficial it will be to ignore them. I mute them, but still get plenty every day. Sometimes Ii'll get 5-6 in the space of a few seconds. RIP Michaelangelopolous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thus Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I think it's entirely random, it's probably unlikely you'll receive the same PM from the same bot as it is. So I'm not sure how beneficial it will be to ignore them. I mute them, but still get plenty every day. Sometimes Ii'll get 5-6 in the space of a few seconds. And I love how the prices of gold are different for the same website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riptide Mage Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 A remarkably easy way to detect the bots would be to flag accounts that send the majority of their PM's to other users who the have 1) never interacted with before and 2) the user does not have the bot on their friends list. You make it sound like running through a few level 87 monsters is hard which it really shouldn't be at your level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 And I love how the prices of gold are different for the same website.I was greatly amused yesterday when I got 5 PMs in seconds and the prices were in ascending order :mrgreen: I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerfrog Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 It is quite sad that i have to choose between leaving private chat on friends, and miss out on talking to people i have deleted due to inactivity/people i never added but they added me/potential PVM partners... OR deal with these spam bots that are getting more and more frequent. But i don't see what there is to gain from discussing it. Bots suck, yep. Jagex should do something about it as they are already aware of the problem, yep. ... Ok. Now what? Continue repeating the complaint about how much they suck? That sounds worse than being spammed by bots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_knames Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 a) This person got our private message, so we have a live fish. Quick, spam them with 20 more! (This is happening with SMS spam and many other types when some sort of verification is provided, which is needed because random strings of numbers are generated.)b) This person is likely reporting us, so we better watch out. As to a), if they know you've ignored their spam message then they also know that you're not a likely customer. As to b), I think it's safe to assume that they expect to be reported. I think you may be overthinking the spammer business model. Maxed total levelsRemaining for Completionist Cape: Livid Farm spell (Borrowed Power) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 When you ignore them, I don't think your status turns into offline. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randox Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 When you ignore them, I don't think your status turns into offline.This. Unless they changed it, ignoring only works on one side, which is actually kind of terrible because it means someone can keep trying to talk to you and not know you've ignored them, because you still appear as online. Would be a nicer system if it just changed it to offline, and more useful for blocking the dedicated casual stalker from following you across worlds (that's dedicated enough to world hop, but not enough to use multiple accounts that the stalkee doesn't know about). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arceus Posted April 22, 2012 Author Share Posted April 22, 2012 When you ignore them, I don't think your status turns into offline.This. Unless they changed it, ignoring only works on one side, which is actually kind of terrible because it means someone can keep trying to talk to you and not know you've ignored them, because you still appear as online. Would be a nicer system if it just changed it to offline, and more useful for blocking the dedicated casual stalker from following you across worlds (that's dedicated enough to world hop, but not enough to use multiple accounts that the stalkee doesn't know about). That is really just terrible. "Fight for what you believe in, and believe in what you're fighting for." Can games be art? --- My blog here if you want to check out my Times articles and other writings! I always appreciate comments/feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arceus Posted April 22, 2012 Author Share Posted April 22, 2012 a) This person got our private message, so we have a live fish. Quick, spam them with 20 more! (This is happening with SMS spam and many other types when some sort of verification is provided, which is needed because random strings of numbers are generated.)b) This person is likely reporting us, so we better watch out. As to a), if they know you've ignored their spam message then they also know that you're not a likely customer. As to b), I think it's safe to assume that they expect to be reported. I think you may be overthinking the spammer business model. I think their aim is to keep bombarding you anyway, even if they know you're ignoring it. Why else do I get 20 emails/day of (non-RuneScape related) spam I never even think of buying? "Fight for what you believe in, and believe in what you're fighting for." Can games be art? --- My blog here if you want to check out my Times articles and other writings! I always appreciate comments/feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum_Myr Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Advertisement works by bombarding you with images you don't want. It isn't the best model, (figuring out what you want and showing you that is probably more effective) but it works very well and has lots of precedent. My guess is that they aren't likely to be sophisticated enough to implement that method though.. Maxed since Sunday, January 9th, 2014Completionist since Wednesday, June 4th, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taltin Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I don't know I'll probably just continue reporting and ignoring them. It really is annoying that I have to choose between missing messages from friends that I've deleted which is a lot my list is almost always full or getting spammed by these dumb bots and then I can't press tab to respond to a friend I was talking too. [hide=Account stats] [/hide]My DIY Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildxYak Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 The number is under 10,000...but is it still over 9,000?! Joking aside, thanks Piu.Nice. I've was getting spammed with probably 5 at a time every few hours but it has really died off the last 2 days. I used to report and temp mute them all! 99: Agility 28/12/14|Thieving 20/03/15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amonitas Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 I get this stuff every day, but I still can't even read their messages. It's just a huge mess with ---#¤#% 343 RS GOLD ----..-as.d-..343 cheap prices343&¤%¤%"------!"# kind of message that just confuse me. Not that I would read them anyways. Quest cape since 11th July 99 Farming 4th February 99 Cooking 31st August Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64jive Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 I feel like you are way overthinking this. Odds are, the spambots just look for usernames around and spam them. I'm sure they don't have any ban prevantive measures.... It's a nice thought, however.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum_Myr Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 I feel like you are way overthinking this. Odds are, the spambots just look for usernames around and spam them. I'm sure they don't have any ban prevantive measures.... It's a nice thought, however.... Pretty sure they have two bots, one that scans for names (not necessarily in game) and one that PMs. There are also ones that spam anyone who runs through crowded areas. Maxed since Sunday, January 9th, 2014Completionist since Wednesday, June 4th, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randox Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 I feel like you are way overthinking this. Odds are, the spambots just look for usernames around and spam them. I'm sure they don't have any ban prevantive measures.... It's a nice thought, however.... Pretty sure they have two bots, one that scans for names (not necessarily in game) and one that PMs. There are also ones that spam anyone who runs through crowded areas.This would be about right I think. Normally they trawl for names in popular fc's, or by running a bot through a crowded area like the GE, and then forward the list of names to other bots. At least I think they send it to other bots because that explains why you get spammed by a whole bunch in waves (all working off the same name finder). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Applejuiceaj Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 I feel like you are way overthinking this. Odds are, the spambots just look for usernames around and spam them. I'm sure they don't have any ban prevantive measures.... It's a nice thought, however.... Pretty sure they have two bots, one that scans for names (not necessarily in game) and one that PMs. There are also ones that spam anyone who runs through crowded areas.This would be about right I think. Normally they trawl for names in popular fc's, or by running a bot through a crowded area like the GE, and then forward the list of names to other bots. At least I think they send it to other bots because that explains why you get spammed by a whole bunch in waves (all working off the same name finder). Sounds about right. Usually if I do get the spam its because I'm in one of those two locations (a popular fc or the GE). My record was 8 in 30 seconds once during an event in a popular fc which led me into the ge, and it was just about everyone there who instantly started complaining so I know I wasn't the only target. I wonder about muting these sometimes as surely they pm just about everyone all at once so by the time the mute hits they've done their damage, but then again it does take them out of commission for a few while they hop to a new account to continue. At least Private messages set to friends resolves it (although I really do hate doing that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randox Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Yeah, the mutes even from pmods probably don't do much. At best, it forces them to use another account for the next round, which actually probably just creates more work on the back end in the long run with no difference front end. Unless the spam filter has been designed to quash people who try to pm 100 people in 5 seconds, in which case they would have to slow them down to human speed, in which case a mute might do a bit of good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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