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Russet, from what I can understand from your post, you look for specific signs of something beautiful and magically say "it's God's work" without any second thoughts. It's useless to argue with fallacious logic that can relate items without specific patterns and call them similar from the same source.
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Do you think that the tree outside and the bird flying over JUST APPEARED?

I'd just like to add that no reasonable person actually believes this or argues this to be the case. But it sounds a lot more similar to your idea of God individually designing and creating things than evolution anyways.

 


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Russet, from what I can understand from your post, you look for specific signs of something beautiful and magically say "it's God's work" without any second thoughts. It's useless to argue with fallacious logic that can relate items without specific patterns and call them similar from the same source.


There's a tribe somewhere in the deep Amazon or jungle that was isolated from everyone else. A group of people finally reached them and were going to tell them about God, and you what? They already were worshipping Him. They understood that someone had to have created the jungle and creation around them.

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If you go by the logic of "but a God wouldn't be detected/understood/analyzed by scientists because of X," which I guess makes sense, things just get unnecessarily vague. Scientific analysis is, currently on the planet Earth, our best way to prove what is false and what is true and to discover new ideas.

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There's a tribe somewhere in the deep Amazon or jungle that was isolated from everyone else. A group of people finally reached them and were going to tell them about God, and you what? They already were worshipping Him. They understood that someone had to have created the jungle and creation around them.


Well actually, religion is often used to create answers. While science is used to find answers. The very idea of "faith" is the exact opposite of science. They can only co-exist until science disproves an "answer" religion makes up.

The tribe thing would actually be powerful evidence if they followed the game god, to very specific details, as Christianity, or any other religion. But to believe that there is an omniscient being that made everything is one of the most likely steps for someone ignorant of the truth to take. Humans are a curious lot and will always look for answers, it's a shame that this thirst for knowledge is impeded by con artists and attention seekers falsely claiming to have the answers.

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If you go by the logic of "but a God wouldn't be detected/understood/analyzed by scientists because of X," which I guess makes sense, things just get unnecessarily vague. Scientific analysis is, currently on the planet Earth, our best way to prove what is false and what is true and to discover new ideas.

It only gets vague because you're trying to apply logic to an area which logic itself tells you it can't be used to prove anything :P.

Scientific method relies on proving things false, e.g. the cycle from theory > experiment > result > either falsification or confirmation. Show any proof that falsifies the existance of gods and that's perfectly fine, but unless something major happened quite recently I don't believe there is any such proof.

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intelligent discussion using logic, facts and reason can be eye opening and is the only way we'll ever find out. Assuming he doesn't come down and say hello, that is.


Nothing will come of "discussion" or philosopher's answer for this "great question" would have been taken as fact years and years and years ago. The truth is no one will be satisfied until it's empirically proven. And that won't happen for the forseeable future. Until then, it is a matter of faith, not fact. And that is truly the heart of any religion, regardless of what flavor of religion you follow.

So, yes, it is useless. All it does is foster tension in a community that doesn't have any place in engaging in such a debate.

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Ii'm glad that there more "no god/gods" votes than anything else so far, it's not the results I was expecting.
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Ii'm glad that there more "no god/gods" votes than anything else so far, it's not the results I was expecting.

It's a video game fansite forum. What were you expecting?

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Technicality but none of the god(s) should be capitalised.

Thanks for alerting me, Sy.

Looking around at the thread, I had no idea that the usually morose and laconic OT community could get so fired up about something as abstract as God. ;)

I personally do not believe in God in the traditional sense and, because it is redundant to theorise about a being other than the God of the Bible/Qur'an etc. (whose key attributes are virtually the same), I tend not to bother. This is not to say that I find discussing the matter pointless, however - if such discussion weren't allowed on this forum, it would virtually be a ghost town. :P

I also freely admit that my highly Catholic upbringing might have contributed to my anti-God beliefs. To illustrate quite how pious my parents are: I have two forenames. The first, Crocefisso, is an old Catholic name meaning crucifix, while the second, Girolamo, is in memory of Girolamo Savonarola, a Dominican monk who ruled Florence in the 15th century and was later burned in some piazza under Papal duress. :-D


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Ii'm glad that there more "no god/gods" votes than anything else so far, it's not the results I was expecting.

It's a video game fansite forum. What were you expecting?


A more equal distribution between do believe and don't believe.
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Ii'm glad that there more "no god/gods" votes than anything else so far, it's not the results I was expecting.


Why does this make you happy?

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Ii'm glad that there more "no god/gods" votes than anything else so far, it's not the results I was expecting.


Why does this make you happy?

Perhaps he is an anti-theist?


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If there is a god, I'm sure it's more similar to "the force" from Star Wars, rather than some omnipotent deity/superhuman.

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Oh good, this thread again. Because this hasn't already been discussed to death...

Anyway, I think there is probably some kind of sentient force controlling the universe. As to what exactly that is I can't be sure...

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If there is a god, I'm sure it's more similar to "the force" from Star Wars, rather than some omnipotent deity/superhuman.

I've always particularly liked this interpretation myself. I generally subscribe to a more 'general will of the Universe' sort of thing I guess you could say, rather than a specific being. Though I can't say I would be surprised if we one day found out that what we believed to God was an alien or aliens. After all, technology beyond your current level of comprehension would certainly appear to be supernatural or magical. Or maybe I just watch way too much sciencefiction.


And a point about the bible that flows from my point about technology appearing to be magical, you have to consider when the scripture that become the bible (or was left out) was written. Proceeding under the assumption for a second that there is a god, regardless of the nature of said god, the word of god would have to be communicated in language that could be understood by the people of the time. Concepts like evolution, or the science involved in the creation of the universe, would have just been totally beyond understanding. The groundwork for some of the concepts we grasp today simply did not exist, and would have been pointless because the concepts wouldn't be in existence for thousands of years (there is no reason to assume that such a book would be understandable even today). So the bible was written as a product of the concepts of the times.

This also means that to some extent, it has to be written withing the social constraints of the times, because if you march in with concepts of how to behave (like equality) that run contrary to how eveyone has been living so far, they are going to rebel against them. Change takes time.


And as an aside while we are assuming god exists, I feel like if we weren't meant to question god, or have different religions, then either proof would be presented to us, or we wouldn't have the capacity to question such things in the first place.

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I can't be sure there are or are not gods in the multiverse, but I can assure you if there are, he's not going to be anything like the "morally good God". A supreme being with infinite power and wisdom, knows everything and all outcomes...lets certain human beings suffer? God isn't merciful or kind, he's an ass for not helping.
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Really though, I'm a firm believer that god does exist, simply because with all of the scientific knowledge we posses and all of our achievements - we still can not scientifically disprove god's existence for the simple fact faith still exists - if proof did exist that god wasn't real - would anyone really believe otherwise? It's a paradox i like to think about
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