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A good part of the actives in EoE are concerned with how small a part of the clan is actually active, especially amongst keys.

 

This is why we are considering starting a new clan, or changing the leadership and many ranks of current EoE. Points:

- Kandy has confirmed he wants to keep his gold key rank, but he will not be active until the summer depending on the new skills (if you want to elaborate, Kandy, please do :)).

- Kandy has kindly ranked several actives up to silver keys, leaving us with the following distribution: Gold (Kandy), 5x silver (Kandy, Deo, Octarine, Jeff and myself) and one bronze (Lookback, which is Dragon's). Three silver keys are active. The only difference between silver and gold is the ability to create silver keys, as far as I know.

- Many of the ranks are based on dungeoneering which is not really the focus of EoE, despite the origins as dg clan. Ranks may be a bit inaccurate.

- Starting over is 'cleaner' and gives a better idea of who is active and who isn't. It also means the gold key can be reassigned.

- Starting over means returning inactives will find the clan mostly gone.

- An estimated 15/65 people are active overall.

 

Until the first of April, we'd like to discuss this, get some ideas, more pros and cons of the available options. At that time, we'd like to take a decision, but that is of course changeable. The set date is just to keep the pressure up, because otherwise nothing will probably happen. Currently the general idea is that reforming EoE is preferred over starting anew because of the established structure.

 

It'd be good to know how many people oppose this and how many support it, so please post :).

 

 

 

 

 

 

Finally, if there's more that should be included here, just post.

 

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Personally I'm of the opinion that it is far better to have an activity requirement for key ranks and perhaps also higher non-keys, so for that reason I favour a reshuffle.

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A good part of the actives in EoE are concerned with how small a part of the clan is actually active, especially amongst keys.

 

This is why we are considering starting a new clan, or changing the leadership and many ranks of current EoE. Points:

- Kandy has confirmed he wants to keep his gold key rank, but he will not be active until the summer depending on the new skills (if you want to elaborate, Kandy, please do :)).

- Kandy has kindly ranked several actives up to silver keys, leaving us with the following distribution: Gold (Kandy), 5x silver (Kandy, Deo, Octarine, Jeff and myself) and one bronze (Lookback, which is Dragon's). Three silver keys are active. The only difference between silver and gold is the ability to create silver keys, as far as I know.

- Many of the ranks are based on dungeoneering which is not really the focus of EoE, despite the origins as dg clan. Ranks may be a bit inaccurate.

- Starting over is 'cleaner' and gives a better idea of who is active and who isn't. It also means the gold key can be reassigned.

- Starting over means returning inactives will find the clan mostly gone.

- An estimated 15/65 people are active overall.

 

Until the first of April, we'd like to discuss this, get some ideas, more pros and cons of the available options. At that time, we'd like to take a decision, but that is of course changeable. The set date is just to keep the pressure up, because otherwise nothing will probably happen. Currently the general idea is that reforming EoE is preferred over starting anew because of the established structure.

 

It'd be good to know how many people oppose this and how many support it, so please post :).

 

 

 

 

 

 

Finally, if there's more that should be included here, just post.

 

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Personally I'm of the opinion that it is far better to have an activity requirement for key ranks and perhaps also higher non-keys, so for that reason I favour a reshuffle.

 

 

I also favor a reshuffle.

 

But, if we do a system based on activity, how will we measure that?

  • Through events?
  • How many times said player has logged in to CC? (although, you will automatically join if you have not left it)
  • Through Citadel management? (I think you could view progress of a certain player of how much they gathered).

That is all I have at the moment, but I am sure someone will have something much more fleshed out than I do.

 

-*Edit*-

I am all for staying a 'Private' clan, but with the numbers we have at the moment... Should we change to more of a public?

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I mostly mean that key ranks should be active, and resign keys (but not all rank/membership) when going on a break for a longer time, e.g. a month and up. For regular members, I have no problem with them going inactive, but they could be ranked 1 banana or w/e. That's not really a big deal imo. Keys are supposed to moderate the clan & set an example, which requires their presence.

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Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace

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Something definitely needs to be done. LIke Q said a reshuffle is likely the best option. I wouldn't mind starting fresh, but I wouldn't want to push for it unless everyone was on board, otherwise we may lose members in the process or create a divide in the community.

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Complicated question: Is PvmDG an extension of EoE? On its recruitment page, it's mentioned that PvmDG was born "from an old DG clan". Their home world is 119. Most of its members are known EoE members.

 

Furthermore, where's the distinction between the two?

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Complicated question: Is PvmDG an extension of EoE? On its recruitment page, it's mentioned that PvmDG was born "from an old DG clan". Their home world is 119. Most of its members are known EoE members.

 

Furthermore, where's the distinction between the two?

 

Nope, we (as founders and members) left for a multitude of reasons. One of the key ones being we intended to set up a new clan structure, whereby DG wasn't the only factor that allowed members to rank up. We felt that as stated here, EoE was dying, especially in terms of DG. Home world is 119 just because a fair few of us play on there anyway, as most of us are Ex EoE-ers, but that is soon changing, as the swede world is kinda laggy now.

 

tl;dr They are two thoroughly separate clans.

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Managed to remember my password, somehow!

 

I always liked EoE, and despite I may or may no drop out again for another break sometime I still want it to live on. It's literally the only social 'life' I have in rs...

 

If needed, I'm all for a fresh start with ranks given by activity, as long as everyone gets the opportunity/information to migrate to the new one.

Some fresh recruitment wouldn't harm either, I think. As long as new members have about the same mindset as the rest of us it'd only be beneficial, I think.

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Recruits would definitely help I think :).

 

It would be very nice if some more people would post. Bloodfever and Lekti have excuses, but for everyone else: pleas read and reply.

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Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring

Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace

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It's a shame how EoE has fallen, it was such a nice little community. :<

 

However, even though I've left, I would say it's best to just start off fresh with the people that are actually active and expand from there.


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The lack of activity was the main reason for me leaving, amongst a couple of other things. Towards the end, it became near impossible to get a full floor going, despite there being a couple dozen people in the clan chat. It's not like they were AFKing either, they were in the chat and just talking over anyone who was calling a floor.

 

You shouldn't take this as a vote towards anything, since I'm not really intending on returning to EoE and I have left the clan, but if I had a say-so on the matter, I'd be asking to start over. It really is the best way to "trim the fat", so to speak.

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Thanks for the suggestions Leik, Gingy :).

 

Still waiting for more if available, three more days!

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99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013)

Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring

Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace

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8pm gmt, 30th of March 2013, there was the first EoE vs PvmDG Castle Wars match!

 

After three games, EoE won, barely (total score 9-8).

 

EoE Team

Ambler **

Bloodfever ****

Jeff Delu

Kiln ***

Mierin

Octarine

 

JD only played games 1 and 2, replaced by Bloodfever on game 3.

 

PvmDG Team

A Gardener

Caken *

Dragon

Meamzed **

Saj *

Tansuo ****

 

Gardener is not maxed combat, so the CW lobby system allows another player.

 

(* denote captures)

 

 

First game was even at 2-2. Both teams had one capture very early (defence? nah) and one much later, with tentative play on both sides. EoE had a close call, with the last, equalizing capture in the 17th minute.

 

Second game was equally even at 1-1, early captures largely blocked, more defensive play, but more certain. Longer periods of all-out defence and more barricades all around.

 

Third game had a team change at EoE's side, Bloodfever replacing Jeff Delu. In solid battle-mage armour, Blood captured four flags, leading to EoE's final and only win at 5-4.

 

For having the highest average captures per game, tied highest total captures, and most captures in any game, Bloodfever has been crowned MVP.

 

Thanks to all players for a great event and the good play especially :).

 

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Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring

Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace

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Pulling off that capture with less than 2 minutes to go. :')

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Argh and Arrrrghhhh as requested... Actually... This is my first post in mooooooooooooonths!

 

Eh a reshuffle was/is needed really in some ways... The split from just EoE into EoE and PvMDG (Yes yes both separate clans yada yada) causes for some interesting conclusions to be drawn. DG as a skill anyways is dying a painful death and had been for such a long time. EoE can't just sustain itself off that.

 

Starting over... I'm not even sure. TBH the question that can then be drawn is why don't we all just pile into PvMDG - seeing as quite frankly all (or at least most) of us are friends, we've belonged to the same clan together for quite a long time now, and it would keep the core of active (semi-active in my case) EoEr's etc in together... Which seems to be on most people's minds anyways as I often see many EoErs guesting in PvMDG, along with myself.

 

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I don't think it would be possible for EoE to merge into PvmDG due to leadership issues. I think there are some members in EoE who more than deserve leadership roles but would not be able to acquire them if those two clans merged.

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Plus part of the reason pvmdg split from eoe was a difference between certain members. Simply merging the clans would solve nothing and everyone would end up back at square one.

 

I haven't weighed in on this yet so I guess I should post my thoughts. I've been in EoE a long time, and it is quite sad to see it in its current state. While I'd love for it to become the casual DG clan it once was, I don't think there is enough interest for DG within the clan, or even in the wider RS community in general to make this successful.

Lately a large group of clanmembers have been forming bossing teams for nex and kk, meaning a lot of clan chatter is about that, I'd like to see how other non-involved clanmmebers feel about that too

 

However, the castlewars matches with pvmdg were probably the most fun I've had within the clan for a LONG time. It was really great to work alongside each other, and a whole lot of fun. I'd definitely like to see a lot more of this in whatever clan eoe becomes/restarts as.

 

Over the past week, things do seem to have improved within the clan, especially the feeling of control.purpose that comes from actually having active keys. However, the large number of inactive players, both highly ranked and normal members mean the clan in its current state would only be held back. If we tried to reform eoe in its current state and then higher ranks returned to see a very different clan, how would that turn out?

While I don't favour either option entirely, I think I side with reforming the clan, with a greater emphasis on inter-clan events (I'd like to maintain a close relationship to pvmdg especially) and casual monster hunting. We have a high number of knowledgeable players in the clan and that base is an advantage for casual MH teaching and general h&a

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Thanks for the input, Ezkaton, Octarine, Mish :).

 

It's the first of April now, deadline is today, so I'll go ahead and write up a summary:

  • EoE members slightly prefer a reshuffle, but the input from non-members is that it's better to start over (thanks Leik, Gingy :P). Note that most people who prefer a reshuffle will support a restart if there is sufficient interest, so this issue isn't necessarily solved.
  • Recruits would help.
  • Removing the official focus on dungeoneering. The practical focus is long gone.
  • More official events and clan vs. clan stuff.
  • I think the idea of merging with PvmDG is sufficiently adressed with Mish' post, though of course PvmDG is your #1 spot to go if you don't like what we're deciding here ;).
  • Ranking system is still a question mark.

 

On the last point: I prefer a ranking system based on clan needs, so ranking everyone inactive as one stripe (because EoE has a lot of these), actives as 2-stripe or w/e, then a bunch of chat mods, some avatar wardens, and silver/gold keys. I'm not sure how many different special ranks would be required, maybe only one, just bronze keys. We have a pretty diverse group even if it's small, lots of people do pvm, some people dg, a lot of people are going for max/comp/trim and stuff, so ranking up based on the game would be hard to balance imo. Ideas on this?

 

As for recruiting, if anyone who reads this wants to join, post!

 

 

Final input from everyone, please R&R!

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99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011)

99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012)

99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012)

99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013)

99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013)

Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring

Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace

30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted

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