Pendants of Skill! - 26/7/2012

[Hedgehog]

Got a magic pendant and went to ganos to use it.

 

Then I remembered that arcane streams exist.

[spooferfish]

Whatever. I stopped caring about sof updates a while ago.

This

[Saradomin_Mage]

According to the Summer FAQ it's going to be an XP Promissory Note, which kinda makes it feel more like it's going to be a lamp as opposed to a booster.

[Sorator]

I'd love to see them take off the xp lamps and just have the pendants (or at least take off the large/huge lamps in exchange for the pendants, and leave the small/meds since they don't offer too terribly much XP anyway).

 

Also, I'd love to have the pendants not lose their decoration when they lose their charge, cause some of em look pretty darn awesome. (Also I'd love to have them storable in the costume room of my POH, though I suppose that'd make completionists butthurt.)

 

Oh and yeah, the items they're offering for being a member through August & September are pretty clearly the main replacement for BXPW, lol (though I again really hope it's gonna be another thing like the Mad May necklace rather than just a lamp). These pendants are probably a small part of that replacement as well, along with the G Games daily xp (since Agility is one of the more popular uses of bonus experience in general, I don't think the decision to offer 30k agil XP per day was just a coincidence).

[pulli23]

Any update to a squeel of fortune is an insult to honest player who started playing this game because his thought was equal to jagex:

-we do not want a game where one who is rich in reality is better than one who is not-.

[Urza285]

Any update to a squeel of fortune is an insult to honest player who started playing this game because his thought was equal to jagex:

-we do not want a game where one who is rich in reality is better than one who is not-.

Being rich in real life doesn't make you better in this game than those who aren't. The only real benefit is paying for members. Everything else is just a slight for participating... Sure you might get a bit more from buying spins and whatnot, but it still doesn't change much. Why don't you make an honest and educated stance against this by doing your homework and checking out the percentages of spins get you small, medium, large lamps and consider the rest junk.

 

I really just may do this when I get home and see if I can get a large sample to play with. I'm so sick of everyone jumping on the impovished versus the wealthy bandwagon that I just may waste my time researching this to throw one of you under its wheels.

[Saradomin_Mage]

Any update to a squeel of fortune is an insult to honest player who started playing this game because his thought was equal to jagex:

-we do not want a game where one who is rich in reality is better than one who is not-.

Being rich in real life doesn't make you better in this game than those who aren't. The only real benefit is paying for members. Everything else is just a slight for participating... Sure you might get a bit more from buying spins and whatnot, but it still doesn't change much. Why don't you make an honest and educated stance against this by doing your homework and checking out the percentages of spins get you small, medium, large lamps and consider the rest junk.

 

I really just may do this when I get home and see if I can get a large sample to play with. I'm so sick of everyone jumping on the impovished versus the wealthy bandwagon that I just may waste my time researching this to throw one of you under its wheels.

[qfc]17-18-757-63894162[/qfc]

99 all stats and 105 DG, from a sample of 32,500 spins he received on average 5,688 XP per spin.

If you can throw down enough money it actually does make quite a difference, as daily records show.

[pulli23]

Any update to a squeel of fortune is an insult to honest player who started playing this game because his thought was equal to jagex:

-we do not want a game where one who is rich in reality is better than one who is not-.

Being rich in real life doesn't make you better in this game than those who aren't. The only real benefit is paying for members. Everything else is just a slight for participating... Sure you might get a bit more from buying spins and whatnot, but it still doesn't change much. Why don't you make an honest and educated stance against this by doing your homework and checking out the percentages of spins get you small, medium, large lamps and consider the rest junk.

 

I really just may do this when I get home and see if I can get a large sample to play with. I'm so sick of everyone jumping on the impovished versus the wealthy bandwagon that I just may waste my time researching this to throw one of you under its wheels.

 

 

And this is once again an offence to scientists: just admit it you are more than willing to show your real life riches & do it only because you are rich.

[Ambler]

Any update to a squeel of fortune is an insult to honest player who started playing this game because his thought was equal to jagex:

-we do not want a game where one who is rich in reality is better than one who is not-.

Being rich in real life doesn't make you better in this game than those who aren't. The only real benefit is paying for members. Everything else is just a slight for participating... Sure you might get a bit more from buying spins and whatnot, but it still doesn't change much. Why don't you make an honest and educated stance against this by doing your homework and checking out the percentages of spins get you small, medium, large lamps and consider the rest junk.

 

I really just may do this when I get home and see if I can get a large sample to play with. I'm so sick of everyone jumping on the impovished versus the wealthy bandwagon that I just may waste my time researching this to throw one of you under its wheels.

 

 

And this is once again an offence to scientists: just admit it you are more than willing to show your real life riches & do it only because you are rich.

Having disposable income doesn't make you rich, you can live in a cheap flat/apartment with a decent job, and still have money left after buying what you need, which can either go towards leisure, or saving up for a house deposit, and leasure could include SoF spins/Rcoins.

 

 

Anyway: pendants of skill, meh, skilling. :(

[Urza285]

Any update to a squeel of fortune is an insult to honest player who started playing this game because his thought was equal to jagex:

-we do not want a game where one who is rich in reality is better than one who is not-.

Being rich in real life doesn't make you better in this game than those who aren't. The only real benefit is paying for members. Everything else is just a slight for participating... Sure you might get a bit more from buying spins and whatnot, but it still doesn't change much. Why don't you make an honest and educated stance against this by doing your homework and checking out the percentages of spins get you small, medium, large lamps and consider the rest junk.

 

I really just may do this when I get home and see if I can get a large sample to play with. I'm so sick of everyone jumping on the impovished versus the wealthy bandwagon that I just may waste my time researching this to throw one of you under its wheels.

[qfc]17-18-757-63894162[/qfc]

99 all stats and 105 DG, from a sample of 32,500 spins he received on average 5,688 XP per spin.

If you can throw down enough money it actually does make quite a difference, as daily records show.

While I cannot deny those statistics or the large sample there are several aspects to it that we could scrutinize. The average player probably has several 99's and isn't maxed. With that said the player might recieve xp lamps wasted on skills that are either maxed out or are of no desire to them... At least that is probably the biggest thought that might run across a players mind if they choose to go this route. One of the failsafes for SoF is that the player will randomly receive something and in this case with lamps it could be any skill lamp for 25 different skills or a general lamp. Also has anyone determined what percentage of each lamp is skill specific and which is a general lamp?

[Saradomin_Mage]

While I cannot deny those statistics or the large sample there are several aspects to it that we could scrutinize. The average player probably has several 99's and isn't maxed. With that said the player might recieve xp lamps wasted on skills that are either maxed out or are of no desire to them... At least that is probably the biggest thought that might run across a players mind if they choose to go this route. One of the failsafes for SoF is that the player will randomly receive something and in this case with lamps it could be any skill lamp for 25 different skills or a general lamp. Also has anyone determined what percentage of each lamp is skill specific and which is a general lamp?

If I'm not wrong it's half specific and half general, which his data roughly concurs with (1910k overall xp/h, with 855k in fixed). Fixed, as far as I know, is evenly distributed, except in the case of the Adventurer's XP weekend, so you could consider number of 99s a player has in calculating reduced beneficial XP from fixed lamps.

[pulli23]

Having disposable income doesn't make you rich, you can live in a cheap flat/apartment with a decent job, and still have money left after buying what you need, which can either go towards leisure, or saving up for a house deposit, and leasure could include SoF spins/Rcoins.

 

 

Anyway: pendants of skill, meh, skilling. :(

 

Once again: that makes you rich; I have a decent job yet no money left over each month.

[Urza285]

While I cannot deny those statistics or the large sample there are several aspects to it that we could scrutinize. The average player probably has several 99's and isn't maxed. With that said the player might recieve xp lamps wasted on skills that are either maxed out or are of no desire to them... At least that is probably the biggest thought that might run across a players mind if they choose to go this route. One of the failsafes for SoF is that the player will randomly receive something and in this case with lamps it could be any skill lamp for 25 different skills or a general lamp. Also has anyone determined what percentage of each lamp is skill specific and which is a general lamp?

If I'm not wrong it's half specific and half general, which his data roughly concurs with (1910k overall xp/h, with 855k in fixed). Fixed, as far as I know, is evenly distributed, except in the case of the Adventurer's XP weekend, so you could consider number of 99s a player has in calculating reduced beneficial XP from fixed lamps.

So

While I cannot deny those statistics or the large sample there are several aspects to it that we could scrutinize. The average player probably has several 99's and isn't maxed. With that said the player might recieve xp lamps wasted on skills that are either maxed out or are of no desire to them... At least that is probably the biggest thought that might run across a players mind if they choose to go this route. One of the failsafes for SoF is that the player will randomly receive something and in this case with lamps it could be any skill lamp for 25 different skills or a general lamp. Also has anyone determined what percentage of each lamp is skill specific and which is a general lamp?

If I'm not wrong it's half specific and half general, which his data roughly concurs with (1910k overall xp/h, with 855k in fixed). Fixed, as far as I know, is evenly distributed, except in the case of the Adventurer's XP weekend, so you could consider number of 99s a player has in calculating reduced beneficial XP from fixed lamps.

So there is a parabolic curve of some sorts in efficiency then. Though it doesn't count for much because the player could have gained experience up to that 99 using SoF. One thing that gets me is that while he got about 1.9m xp from spins how much money and time did he spend using them? I suppose that the averages might look promising, but statistics can lie. Honestly I've tried to make a good statement on this use of SoF as far as efficiency goes, but all in all it's just too random and will only look efficient if you got a lot of unmatched skills and don't mind semi unconcentrated xp.

[Fire_Hawk154]

Don't really care tbh, when Jagex deleted me and my fellow F2P players from the hiscores I stopped caring about any XP/level-related competition and started to just do what I enjoy :).

[Kimberly]

Having disposable income doesn't make you rich, you can live in a cheap flat/apartment with a decent job, and still have money left after buying what you need, which can either go towards leisure, or saving up for a house deposit, and leasure could include SoF spins/Rcoins.

 

 

Anyway: pendants of skill, meh, skilling. :(

 

Once again: that makes you rich; I have a decent job yet no money left over each month.

 

You don't understand what "rich" means if you frequently confuse it with "budgeting". And arguing about it and insisting it is just as "offensive to scientists" as well.

[Platinum_Myr]

If you spend all your money every month, you are budgeting perfectly for your level of income, but I'm sure there are things in your life you could stop doing to save money. (Runescape, TV/Cable/Netflix/Movies, Eating out, travel/gas, etc.) Most of the time, (though not always) people tend to forget the things they have that are luxury and assume they are required.

[stonewall337]

Wow. I semi-seriously thought about coming back to the game, but after reading all of these updates on the SoF, it's rediculous to even come back. Some rich, little, snobby kid could just keep buying spins and getting these lamps, or neckalces, and easily out do what I did in 7 years, in as little as a year, maybe a little more. No thank you, Jagex. I'm completely done.

 

Oh no! Some kid that I never met and never will meet (and who I don't even know exists) can do something that took me 7 years to do in 1 year only!

 

Except some people actually care about high scores, and getting better compared to the rest of the game. I enjoy getting higher ranks compared to others.Being able to do so with no in game effort is what pisses people off.

 

@pulli, you're laughably wrong. Having disposable income in no way makes you rich. Anyone who thinks that is just....misinformed.

 

Hell, I have student loans, college and living expenses, and still have SOME small amount of disposable income. I mean, according to what you say you have no money for fast food, movies, internet, cable, or any entertainment. I don't believe you.

[hatebringer]

... just don't buy useless crap on a game for unreasonable prices...

Edited July 29, 2012 by Kimberly
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[highlanders]

 

Haha said a bit bluntly but I agree with this. Sometimes I feel like I should be putting down the people I see roaming around in full assassin, spamming their runecoin emotes. I don't actually feel any real animosity towards them, but they wouldn't know that. Sometimes peer pressure can long a way to dissuade people to do some things. If people who bought runecoins were treated as pariahs by other players, they'd be a lot less likely to buy more. "Omg nice aura!" or "Wow your costume so cool!" is exactly the kind of positive reinforcement they should not be given. No, they should be abused instead. >;D We need a negative reinforcement squad... to sweep RS insulting every RWT user we see, then taking screenshots, and laughing at them. Yup... :cool:

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[Urza285]

 

Haha said a bit bluntly but I agree with this. Sometimes I feel like I should be putting down the people I see roaming around in full assassin, spamming their runecoin emotes. I don't actually feel any real animosity towards them, but they wouldn't know that. Sometimes peer pressure can long a way to dissuade people to do some things. If people who bought runecoins were treated as pariahs by other players, they'd be a lot less likely to buy more. "Omg nice aura!" or "Wow your costume so cool!" is exactly the kind of positive reinforcement they should not be given. No, they should be abused instead. >;D We need a negative reinforcement squad... to sweep RS insulting every RWT user we see, then taking screenshots, and laughing at them. Yup... :cool:

 

What a useless trash response. Honestly that is just horrible. If people want to spend money to make their character more unique let then be and admire them or better yet ignore them and concentrate on yourself because they shouldn't mean anything to you in the first place. Don't use it as a reason to insult them or judge poorly. Grow the hell up... I don't give a [bleep] how old you are of where are are from, but sooner or later you WILL learn to respect others because if you don't then you'll find yourself in the center being mocked for your animosity and no one will back you.

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Removed quote of rulebreaking post.

[Urza285]

 

Haha said a bit bluntly but I agree with this. Sometimes I feel like I should be putting down the people I see roaming around in full assassin, spamming their runecoin emotes. I don't actually feel any real animosity towards them, but they wouldn't know that. Sometimes peer pressure can long a way to dissuade people to do some things. If people who bought runecoins were treated as pariahs by other players, they'd be a lot less likely to buy more. "Omg nice aura!" or "Wow your costume so cool!" is exactly the kind of positive reinforcement they should not be given. No, they should be abused instead. >;D We need a negative reinforcement squad... to sweep RS insulting every RWT user we see, then taking screenshots, and laughing at them. Yup... :cool:

 

What a useless trash response. Honestly that is just horrible. If people want to spend money to make their character more unique let then be and admire them or better yet ignore them and concentrate on yourself because they shouldn't mean anything to you in the first place. Don't use it as a reason to insult them or judge poorly. Grow the hell up... I don't give a [bleep] how old you are of where are are from, but sooner or later you WILL learn to respect others because if you don't then you'll find yourself in the center being mocked for your animosity and no one will back you.

 

Buying squeal shit in rs isn't something a lot of people like. It would be like wearing a fur coat in a room full of animal activists and expecting them to like you.

I don't care. You should still have a minimum amount of respect for people. I said it before and I'll say it again... Pick you're battles wisely because if SoF really matters that much to you then you got more to figure out in your life than you think.

Edited July 29, 2012 by Kimberly
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[highlanders]

 

Haha said a bit bluntly but I agree with this. Sometimes I feel like I should be putting down the people I see roaming around in full assassin, spamming their runecoin emotes. I don't actually feel any real animosity towards them, but they wouldn't know that. Sometimes peer pressure can long a way to dissuade people to do some things. If people who bought runecoins were treated as pariahs by other players, they'd be a lot less likely to buy more. "Omg nice aura!" or "Wow your costume so cool!" is exactly the kind of positive reinforcement they should not be given. No, they should be abused instead. >;D We need a negative reinforcement squad... to sweep RS insulting every RWT user we see, then taking screenshots, and laughing at them. Yup... :cool:

 

What a useless trash response. Honestly that is just horrible. If people want to spend money to make their character more unique let then be and admire them or better yet ignore them and concentrate on yourself because they shouldn't mean anything to you in the first place. Don't use it as a reason to insult them or judge poorly. Grow the hell up... I don't give a [bleep] how old you are of where are are from, but sooner or later you WILL learn to respect others because if you don't then you'll find yourself in the center being mocked for your animosity and no one will back you.

Your ridiculously blown out of proportion reaction says a lot about you. Your life must suck carrying that chip on your shoulder. All I want is some light-hearted fun, you on the other hand sound like you're about to have a nervous breakdown.

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[Urza285]

So I just won a pendant of dungeoneering and it turns out it acts the same as the mad may necklace in the it doubles all of the xp gained from the floor. I ran a floor and got 283k xp from floor 56 with one death.

 

On another note it didn't seem like light-hearted fun by calling people out for doing things they enjoy nor did it even hint at it.

[Riptide Mage]

I don't care. You should still have a minimum amount of respect for people. I said it before and I'll say it again... Pick you're battles wisely because if SoF really matters that much to you then you got more to figure out in your life than you think.

 

Why should someone show any respect towards somebody else who is paying for the downfall of RS?

[Low C]

Their business stance has changed so much recently i'm sorta glad I quit before I invested another 1000 hours into something that could go to hell in a hand-basket tomorrow. Usually i'm optimistic, maybe i'll check back in a few months and something changes for the better but as of now i'm going to stay away as to not disappoint myself.

In the end everything dies anyways so might as well enjoy what you like and leave when you're ready to move on to other entertaining things.

Holy crap that's morbid.

 

Not morbid. Just practical. And it's what many of us who are unhappy yet still like the game are doing. It's just sound advice no matter who you are (Y)

 

Have no time for games at this point in my life anyways. Just sort of bummed i never "completed" this game I've played since my teen years. Completed as in accomplished my goals considering it's nearly impossible to complete a mmorpg. I understand some of you don't see the seriousness of these recent updates, but usually when a company takes a 360 degree on developmental and business stance it's not a good sign.

 

As for the argument of people trying out micro-transactions and reinforcing Jagex's change in policy, that's what happens with anything. Comparatively, with new tech such as gaming or cars people jump at the new and cool thing leaving the better model and designs behind for sugar-coated shit.