Pendants of Skill! - 26/7/2012

[brad1431]

If more xp lamps before didn't do the trick, this will for sure. More SoF spins will have been bought this weekend than ever before.

 

They will be disappointed. I bought 25 ($9.99) spins and received 1 fishing and 1 hunting pendant.

 

And you are a big part of the problem, the people who "only" buy for the "science" of it, but when lots of people do the same, it sends a message that people like doing this and we should do more of it,.....

[Sylpheed]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to be mad at Jagex and their investors for making this an option, but I don't understand how people can be so mad at other people for being human.

 

Everyone please read this and really take the time to understand it. Read it twice if you have too because it's probably the most important thing said in this thread.

 

Also, lol at the analogies in this thread.

[Urza285]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to be mad at Jagex and their investors for making this an option, but I don't understand how people can be so mad at other people for being human.

 

Everyone please read this and really take the time to understand it. Read it twice if you have too because it's probably the most important thing said in this thread.

 

Also, lol at the analogies in this thread.

I agree.... God forbid we start down the road to ostracizing our own legitimate players.

[Blutters]

Got a RC pendant today, turned into this. Just a warning not to use them completely if you actually want them for outfitscaping.

Also woo zoom!

[Omali]

If more xp lamps before didn't do the trick, this will for sure. More SoF spins will have been bought this weekend than ever before.

 

They will be disappointed. I bought 25 ($9.99) spins and received 1 fishing and 1 hunting pendant.

 

And you are a big part of the problem, the people who "only" buy for the "science" of it, but when lots of people do the same, it sends a message that people like doing this and we should do more of it,.....

 

I don't buy them for the science. I buy $10 in spins every other month or so when they do weekend specials because I'm an adult, I work 50+ hours a week on top of going to college full time fully funded by the money I make with said job, and I will spend the money I allocate toward leisure however I damn well please.

[pulli23]

In other words: you like to buy victory.

 

Can't people see that in a game where everything is tied together: GE, highscores, most activities like dging - such a system will destroy the fun for those who don't buy? The will fall behind; and with buying gold & xp possible there will be a constant inflation of both xp & gold. Soon being maxed is the only accepted format.

 

In a gamestyle such as RS - microtransactions for items & especially xp are simply not a good thing to keep the game; they will ultimately destroy the fun for large groups. If jagex would wish to sell those items they should make it so that without said items a person can still play everything - microtransactions are only succesful if the buying doesn't make the person more strong - but just gives more options to the person.

[muggiwhplar]

That's quite the slippery slope, pulli

[Riptide Mage]

That's quite the slippery slope, pulli

 

I think the past 6 months have proven Jagex follows slippery slopes pretty quickly.

[pulli23]

That's quite the slippery slope, pulli

 

Yet is this so far away? Really in less than 6 months jagex is making it the standard to bring boni through a payable manner. This 180 degree turn from their former standpoint alone is not something that should happen without explanation. As such who is to say where jagex will stop now? Jagex -by not giving a credible formal explanation- is losing its credibility as a company a lot here, what statements can we "trust", how long? They say certain things won't be included into the buyable options: will this too be changed in 6 months?

 

Than the other statements I made are simply logical consequences; based around the simple fact that gameplay should always be fair. Similar to how bots are terrible, as they provide an unfair advantage to some players who hence get ahead of others. (IF the game was solo play style hardly anyone would mind, look at the million bots/auto clickers for pacman). In rs the final goal for the majority of the population is simply the race to the highscores. I can repeat my argument here: but isn't it logical that if this race becomes unfair a large majority will quit?

 

Other games can be succesful with micro transactions because the items don't interfere too much with the race.

league of legends

Sure you can buy your first few heroes & runes for those. But after you own a dozen of them; it basically comes down to how well you KNOW the heroes you play, not really how many. And getting this experience takes much more time than the time to earn a "new" hero. So the ultimate goal (getting high elo/winning most matches) isn't directly buyable, and the buying doesn't help you achieve this goal earlier.

team fortres

Here you can buy equipment. Gathering equipment takes a very long time. However once again buying equipment does not grant victory, it rather broadens the range of playstyles. But the equipment you can buy is not much stronger than the ones you start with (or find within a few hours).

[muggiwhplar]

I could spend all day writing a piece called, "Why the Monetization of RuneScape is No Big Deal," but instead I'll try to be concise:

 

The people who quit as a result of these updates were likely on the brink of quitting already, or just quit via a kneejerk reaction to the updates since many people these days (illogically) believe that trying to earn money is unethical.

 

The people who stick around either are too addicted to quit regardless of the updates, or are too stubborn to quit and they're playing a game they no longer enjoy because they've missed the whole point of the game.

 

Most people who are upset with the marketing updates are playing RS for the wrong reasons.

 

Do you think it's mere coincidence that most of the people buying spins are either super-addicted to RS or play very rarely because of RL obligations? Regardless, the people you're ostracising are in a very small minority.

 

Again, if this bothers you so much, why are you still here playing and complaining? Why not go do something that actually makes you happy?

[Failed Acct]

I could spend all day writing a piece called, "Why the Monetization of RuneScape is No Big Deal," but instead I'll try to be concise:

 

The people who quit as a result of these updates were likely on the brink of quitting already, or just quit via a kneejerk reaction to the updates since many people these days (illogically) believe that trying to earn money is unethical.

 

The people who stick around and constantly complain about every update either are too addicted to quit regardless of the updates, or are too stubborn to quit and they're playing a game they no longer enjoy because they've missed the whole point of the game.

 

Most people who are upset with the marketing updates are playing RS for the wrong reasons.

 

Do you think it's mere coincidence that most of the people buying spins are either super-addicted to RS or play very rarely because of RL obligations? Regardless, the people you're ostracising are in a very small minority.

 

Again, if this bothers you so much, why are you still here playing and complaining? Why not go do something that actually makes you happy?

 

I edited your post, but I agree 100% with you. I have no problem with people buying spins or getting stuff from solomon's store. People have been buying their way to 99's since RS classic (bots, gold selling, etc...). In reality, the xp gained from using the SoF pales in comparison to the potential of these other "illegal" methods, especially when you consider the money spent/xp received. The fact that some legitimate players want to pump money into Jagex to get a few levels or costumes just means that the money is now going to funding all the updates to the game I love to play.

[Hedgehog]

I doubt many of us would be as upset if Jagex still released good content.

[Kimberly]

I seriously don't get why people assume that those who still play for a long time no longer enjoy the game and are simply "addicted."

[muggiwhplar]

I seriously don't get why people assume that those who still play for a long time no longer enjoy the game and are simply "addicted."

 

I didn't say anything about the people who still play. I'm talking about the people who still play AND complain about everything.

[Kimberly]

I seriously don't get why people assume that those who still play for a long time no longer enjoy the game and are simply "addicted."

 

I didn't say anything about the people who still play. I'm talking about the people who still play AND complain about everything.

 

That's what I'm talking about, too. Why does that mean they hate the game they're playing if they criticize new content that they don't like or find flawed? After all, even if you took a year's worth of content updates, that would still only be a fraction of the game's appeal and utility. That seems every bit as arrogant as those who expect the game to be tailor-made to their needs and play-style. It's really irritating.

[highlanders]

What I get from the messages of some people on this thread is that people who don't like RWT are sad addicted kids that need to grow up and I'm oh-so-better than them because I don't give a shit. That's just amusing really, especially ironic coming from people who've long quit and still linger round the forum of a game they don't even play.

[pulli23]

I could spend all day writing a piece called, "Why the Monetization of RuneScape is No Big Deal," but instead I'll try to be concise:

 

The people who quit as a result of these updates were likely on the brink of quitting already, or just quit via a kneejerk reaction to the updates since many people these days (illogically) believe that trying to earn money is unethical.

 

The people who stick around either are too addicted to quit regardless of the updates, or are too stubborn to quit and they're playing a game they no longer enjoy because they've missed the whole point of the game.

 

Most people who are upset with the marketing updates are playing RS for the wrong reasons.

 

Do you think it's mere coincidence that most of the people buying spins are either super-addicted to RS or play very rarely because of RL obligations? Regardless, the people you're ostracising are in a very small minority.

 

Again, if this bothers you so much, why are you still here playing and complaining? Why not go do something that actually makes you happy?

 

Then what is the problem if people bot? The same reasoning can be used here. I for one actually CARE about rs: I like it as a satisfactionary race to 99s all; even though I'm not winning I like to temporary race with people around me on the highscores - see how I progress.

[Failed Acct]

I could spend all day writing a piece called, "Why the Monetization of RuneScape is No Big Deal," but instead I'll try to be concise:

 

The people who quit as a result of these updates were likely on the brink of quitting already, or just quit via a kneejerk reaction to the updates since many people these days (illogically) believe that trying to earn money is unethical.

 

The people who stick around either are too addicted to quit regardless of the updates, or are too stubborn to quit and they're playing a game they no longer enjoy because they've missed the whole point of the game.

 

Most people who are upset with the marketing updates are playing RS for the wrong reasons.

 

Do you think it's mere coincidence that most of the people buying spins are either super-addicted to RS or play very rarely because of RL obligations? Regardless, the people you're ostracising are in a very small minority.

 

Again, if this bothers you so much, why are you still here playing and complaining? Why not go do something that actually makes you happy?

 

Then what is the problem if people bot? The same reasoning can be used here. I for one actually CARE about rs: I like it as a satisfactionary race to 99s all; even though I'm not winning I like to temporary race with people around me on the highscores - see how I progress.

 

There are several key differences:

 

1. Bots utilize resources legitimate players need, whether that be mining rocks, trees, monsters, etc... This is probably the single biggest issue I (and I'm sure others) have with bots.

2. When a player buys a bot, the money goes to a private company and not back into the game.

3. Bots are bought once and used continuously until a player reaches the desired level, usually for a (relatively) low cost, like $20 or so. To buy a skill all the way to 99 using the SoF you would have to spend hundreds or possibly thousands of dollars, so people are FAR less likely to abuse it to that extent.

[muggiwhplar]

I seriously don't get why people assume that those who still play for a long time no longer enjoy the game and are simply "addicted."

 

I didn't say anything about the people who still play. I'm talking about the people who still play AND complain about everything.

 

That's what I'm talking about, too. Why does that mean they hate the game they're playing if they criticize new content that they don't like or find flawed? After all, even if you took a year's worth of content updates, that would still only be a fraction of the game's appeal and utility. That seems every bit as arrogant as those who expect the game to be tailor-made to their needs and play-style. It's really irritating.

 

It's one thing to criticize an update. It's another to criticize every update, and still keep playing. It seems obvious that Jagex isn't going to change their stance on issues. This means that if you want to stay happy, you either learn to deal with the changes, or you quit playing. Most people refuse to make that choice.

 

What I get from the messages of some people on this thread is that people who don't like RWT are sad addicted kids that need to grow up and I'm oh-so-better than them because I don't give a shit. That's just amusing really, especially ironic coming from people who've long quit and still linger round the forum of a game they don't even play.

 

I thought I made it clear that I still play, just not very often. And most of my posts these days are in Off-Topic. But I don't really see what you're getting at, besides the obvious ad hominems.

 

Then what is the problem if people bot? The same reasoning can be used here.

 

This is a straw man.

 

I for one actually CARE about rs: I like it as a satisfactionary race to 99s all; even though I'm not winning I like to temporary race with people around me on the highscores - see how I progress.

 

That's fine. I never played it that way because I'm not very competitive. But if you realize that you're enjoying the game less than you used to, refer to my response to Kimberly above.

[pulli23]

I would appreciate if you actually refute my argument: I'm merely saying you (and jagex) is hypocritical by allowing such microtransaction by themselves yet not by others. If I can spent my money the way I wish: why can't I spent it on buying goods not provided by jagex?

 

And why can't I make & use an automatic program? In the end it is my time & my money? I heard the argument "because bots interact directly with the resources": well having more cash you also can offer directly more on certain goods: driving the price up and hence interacting with my resources. Because something bad happens less doesn't make it less bad: it just might make it not worth the time to remove it. (Yet jagex keeps adding more ways that involve micro transactions).

 

TO conclude: what I am saying is that if the argument is based around 'let people do what they wish with their money'. You should stretch this and state "let people do what they wish with their money & time". And than allow automatic tools, or microtransactions involving third parties.

[Kimberly]

If every update has something valid to criticize yet you're still enjoying the game I fail to see what the problem is. Ignore lists exist for a reason.

 

I would appreciate if you actually refute my argument: I'm merely saying you (and jagex) is hypocritical by allowing such microtransaction by themselves yet not by others. If I can spent my money the way I wish: why can't I spent it on buying goods not provided by jagex?

 

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And why can't I make & use an automatic program? In the end it is my time & my money?

 

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Because you're comparing apples and oranges here and your wild style of "opinions" gives everyone with valid criticism a bad name.

[muggiwhplar]

I would appreciate if you actually refute my argument: I'm merely saying you (and jagex) is hypocritical by allowing such microtransaction by themselves yet not by others. If I can spent my money the way I wish: why can't I spent it on buying goods not provided by jagex?

 

And why can't I make & use an automatic program? In the end it is my time & my money? I heard the argument "because bots interact directly with the resources": well having more cash you also can offer directly more on certain goods: driving the price up and hence interacting with my resources. Because something bad happens less doesn't make it less bad: it just might make it not worth the time to remove it. (Yet jagex keeps adding more ways that involve micro transactions).

 

TO conclude: what I am saying is that if the argument is based around 'let people do what they wish with their money'. You should stretch this and state "let people do what they wish with their money & time". And than allow automatic tools, or microtransactions involving third parties.

 

I don't give a shit what you choose to spend your money on, lol. You can bot all of your stats and it won't bother me. As far as Jagex is concerned, microtransactions are legal, and botting/RWT is illegal. End of story. Rules are rules (this applies to RL too, btw), and most of the time they're irrational and don't take people's emotions or common sense/logic into account. In this case, I can understand what you're saying regarding Jagex's hypocrisy, however that doesn't really change anything. At the end of the day, you have to realize that you can't change the rules. You just have to learn to deal with them, or get out if you can't do that.

[muggiwhplar]

If every update has something valid to criticize yet you're still enjoying the game I fail to see what the problem is.

 

If you're still enjoying the game, you're right, there's no problem. But I don't think the people criticizing in this thread are still enjoying the game.

[pulli23]

Rules are rules

That statement is a very passive one - almost religious passive ("jagex is god, they set the law thou shall follow"). I for one can never agree to rules unless they are logical & consistent. Heck indeed I've walked quite often walked into these inconsisties in real life (school, job & now politic). Yet I will always shout out loud about those and try to change them. Frankly: this has always been succesful, simply as inconsistent rules can never stay for a long time. And will change, shouting helps changing them faster. (Yes I lost my job for that - as I couldn't go through 1 door with my boss - but in the end I was right & the company had to change their policy).

[muggiwhplar]

Break the rules then, if you want. Just understand that you're at risk for being perm-banned for doing so, and that would be 100% your fault. And I strongly doubt Jagex is going to alter their stance on this one.

 

Like I said, I understand where you're coming from. My original account was perm-banned for bug abuse, and I lost my first job because I was raising hell with upper management for doing a poor job :P