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You might think to yourself, hey, if I sell 10b, that's a nice £3k or so. That's like a year's tuition for me (England). It might not seem like much to you - you're just one guy right - but very, very few players will actually buy that much gold. Your 10b is probably split into hundreds of 50m and 100m parcels by the site. And bingo, your actions as an individual have catapulted hundreds of people into the 'middling wealth' bracket (100m-1b or so) from where they can make cash without a great deal of effort.

 

That's why I didn't RWT. But then Jagex released SoF, lied over the bot nuke, and their general attitude suggests to me that the game as I know it is rather short lived. So if people want to make a quick bit of cash off the game, I'm not going to complain. It's not like Jagex aren't doing the exact same thing, so why shouldn't the players make some cash off it too?

 

As for the chance of being banned...how can Jagex tell the difference between someone who doesn't know how to stake, and someone who gives their opponent pid on purpose in a vls/maul stake?

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And I know a guy who’s a friend of my friend’s former in-law’s second-cousin’s-once-removed uncle’s brother’s former room-mate’s girlfriend, and he/she/it/they took all the money they got from selling Runescape gold and donated it to that cause that both Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are involved with, where every time you click “like” on Facebook, they donate one dollar to that charity that helps that poor country where everyone has cancer and they’re making a cure, so that’s why I don’t hate RWTers …

 

:rolleyes:

 

What a stupid thing to say, way to provide nothing to the coversation while making yourself out to be a sarcastic... knucklehead, at the same time.

 

And yes, most are middle-class teens who just want money, but some do it for legitimate reasons.

 

Pretty strong words coming from someone posting entirely anecdotal nonsense ... :rolleyes:

What's wrong with what he's saying? Are you saying there's not those who play/sell in order to actually live?

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And I know a guy who’s a friend of my friend’s former in-law’s second-cousin’s-once-removed uncle’s brother’s former room-mate’s girlfriend, and he/she/it/they took all the money they got from selling Runescape gold and donated it to that cause that both Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are involved with, where every time you click “like” on Facebook, they donate one dollar to that charity that helps that poor country where everyone has cancer and they’re making a cure, so that’s why I don’t hate RWTers …

 

:rolleyes:

 

What a stupid thing to say, way to provide nothing to the coversation while making yourself out to be a sarcastic... knucklehead, at the same time.

 

And yes, most are middle-class teens who just want money, but some do it for legitimate reasons.

 

Pretty strong words coming from someone posting entirely anecdotal nonsense ... :rolleyes:

What's wrong with what he's saying? Are you saying there's not those who play/sell in order to actually live?

I think he's saying there is no proof behind his anecdotes. Not taking sides though.

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Something like that is utterly impossible to prove given that naming names here is not permitted. Arguing over something like this quickly devolves into a freak-out of arguing for arguing's sake. You have only their integrity to rely on as a result. Given the type of people Stev and Logdotzip are, who they are, and how they conduct themselves, it's almost insulting to imply they'd lie about such a thing, but hey. It's still reasonable (to an extent) to want to see proof of these outlying cases.

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The proof, existent or nonexistent, should be no reason to base an opinion about the rwters as whole. Proof can be twisted, neither should we act like a jury. Good deed won't make a bad action good, rethinking of if the action was actually bad can't change the community as a whole, but the more people questioning themselves, their motives, Jagex motives, RWTer motives and anything else, the better. The more people try to understand the more people WILL understand... and understand is only a little from being the opposite of hate.

 

I think every player should be partially responsible and allowed to use their account and whatever it contains, regardless of how it de jure is stated in jagex terms. I like to think players should be considered equally when compared to the nonplaying investors. Players do invest too, therefore they should have their part as well.

 

Yes, I am aware my twisted logic won't apply legally, anywhere. But I do no believe in unfair deals either, and Jagex is doing it fishy way and only slight things make them likely not successfully sueable.

 

Yes, I am aware I am allowed to quit and should do so should I not agree with Jagex terms.

 

I do not like the likeliness of increasing amount of hackers, phishers and such. But I believe our individual freedom of choice is more important than telling us to not work to gain money because of it making thiefs more likely to attack us. I want to let others work for their money too than just IVP and/or Jagex. The investors will carry a gun to protect their monies, so let us carry a money and let ourselves decide if and how we choose to protect it.

 

Laws or dumb people aren't usually my favourite things to base opinions on, but neither is abuse of either.

I want fair play. If we aren't given fair circumstances, I won't be the first one to burn those that are attempting to take some.

 

 

....how much nonsense can I fit to one post yet still decide to like it enough to post it anyways?

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I want jagex to put resource dungeons and dungeoneering skill doors to dungeoneering floors so I can dungeon and get dungeoneering xp while I dg so I don't have to dg to get dg exp, but I can dg while I dg :)?

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Maxy Pad - banned with 85b [fishy fc]

The hell? I know this guy lol (assuming it's the same maxy pad I remember, changed names A LOT); I don't really remember him involved in any type of rwting tho... And him having 85b just lol...

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And I know a guy who’s a friend of my friend’s former in-law’s second-cousin’s-once-removed uncle’s brother’s former room-mate’s girlfriend, and he/she/it/they took all the money they got from selling Runescape gold and donated it to that cause that both Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are involved with, where every time you click “like” on Facebook, they donate one dollar to that charity that helps that poor country where everyone has cancer and they’re making a cure, so that’s why I don’t hate RWTers …

 

:rolleyes:

 

What a stupid thing to say, way to provide nothing to the coversation while making yourself out to be a sarcastic... knucklehead, at the same time.

 

And yes, most are middle-class teens who just want money, but some do it for legitimate reasons.

 

Pretty strong words coming from someone posting entirely anecdotal nonsense ... :rolleyes:

What's wrong with what he's saying? Are you saying there's not those who play/sell in order to actually live?

 

Perhaps you should look up the term anecdotal, hun? You'd get a better idea of what I am saying.

 

My point is that the stories the two of you are throwing around as "evidence" of the altruistic nature of some RWTer's is an example of the cherry picking fallacy, at best. You should look that up too. Furthermore, you should also look up the term "the ends don't justify the means".

 

Once you're done looking these things up, I'd suggest you compare them with the "fact" you're trying to pull out of "you know where".

 

You peeps have got to stop romanticizing these guys as some kind of video-game Jean Valjean.

 

Just sayin'.

 

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Many people I know who stole from merchants did it because they had to, not because they wanted to.

 

I have a friend who's father lost their job and they had to steal merchandise, and continue to, or they would have lost their house. One woman's roof fell in and she broke her arm and had to steal merchandise to pay for an operation she otherwise would have not been able to afford. Many people who steal merchandise do it to put themselves through school because their family can't afford to otherwise. One guy I knew was homeless before a friend who was ranked in a gang of thieves offered them a spot, and now the guy is on his feet with a place to live and a more secure future.

 

Sure, some do it to buy fancy cars or to just stack bills, but some people do this to help themselves in real life, and at the end of the day, if you're about to lose your home and you have the ability to steal merchandise from stores, what are you going to do then?

 

 

The only dislike for theft that *should* happen is dislike out of envy, and nothing else. People who steal merchandise aren't money hungry pieces of shit out to ruin the game. They're just trying to better their life in a way that honestly shouldn't hurt anybody. It's nothing personal.

I've heard this argument made before in the above, edited context. Do the circumstances given as reasons for the activity make the activity acceptable?

 

If people are making money off my product/service without my consent, through theft or other means, I'm going to be upset about it, no matter how they try to justify it.

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And I know a guy who’s a friend of my friend’s former in-law’s second-cousin’s-once-removed uncle’s brother’s former room-mate’s girlfriend, and he/she/it/they took all the money they got from selling Runescape gold and donated it to that cause that both Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are involved with, where every time you click “like” on Facebook, they donate one dollar to that charity that helps that poor country where everyone has cancer and they’re making a cure, so that’s why I don’t hate RWTers …

 

:rolleyes:

 

What a stupid thing to say, way to provide nothing to the coversation while making yourself out to be a sarcastic... knucklehead, at the same time.

 

And yes, most are middle-class teens who just want money, but some do it for legitimate reasons.

 

Pretty strong words coming from someone posting entirely anecdotal nonsense ... :rolleyes:

 

None were anecdotal you fool. These were all actual stories from friends of mine in gambling clans. Way to assume, you're one ignorant piece of work, at least it's nice to know not much has changed since I stopped posting here as often.

 

 

 

I have nothing to lie about in this thread nor in any I provide information and conversation to. If the knowledge I am able to provide is not welcome here, I have no problem withholding it.

 

 

I may admittedly have the more outspoken, and to some, foul, mouth here, but she is the one out of line.

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None were anecdotal you fool. These were all actual stories from friends of mine in gambling clans. Way to assume, you're one ignorant piece of work, at least it's nice to know not much has changed since I stopped posting here as often.

You're the one that started with insults, though.

 

I can honestly say that none of the people I've met that have been involved with RWT have been so noble. Is it safe to assume that my experiences with the topic are void?

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Many people I know who stole from merchants did it because they had to, not because they wanted to.

 

I have a friend who's father lost their job and they had to steal merchandise, and continue to, or they would have lost their house. One woman's roof fell in and she broke her arm and had to steal merchandise to pay for an operation she otherwise would have not been able to afford. Many people who steal merchandise do it to put themselves through school because their family can't afford to otherwise. One guy I knew was homeless before a friend who was ranked in a gang of thieves offered them a spot, and now the guy is on his feet with a place to live and a more secure future.

 

Sure, some do it to buy fancy cars or to just stack bills, but some people do this to help themselves in real life, and at the end of the day, if you're about to lose your home and you have the ability to steal merchandise from stores, what are you going to do then?

 

 

The only dislike for theft that *should* happen is dislike out of envy, and nothing else. People who steal merchandise aren't money hungry pieces of shit out to ruin the game. They're just trying to better their life in a way that honestly shouldn't hurt anybody. It's nothing personal.

I've heard this argument made before in the above, edited context. Do the circumstances given as reasons for the activity make the activity acceptable?

 

If people are making money off my product/service without my consent, through theft or other means, I'm going to be upset about it, no matter how they try to justify it.

 

Incorrect. You're not stealing from Jagex. That is where your context falls flat.

 

RuneScape gold is merely data. It's impossible to steal it from Jagex. Jagex keeps the data regardless of who it is transferred to. So to equate theft, in which the owner loses something, to such an activity as RWT, is laughable. Jagex loses nothing but potential profit. Your argument is also the one used by RIAA/MPAA, where they scream they lost a sale to every pirate, when in fact they lost nothing. Data sharing is not theft.

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Maxy Pad - banned with 85b [fishy fc]

The hell? I know this guy lol (assuming it's the same maxy pad I remember, changed names A LOT); I don't really remember him involved in any type of rwting tho... And him having 85b just lol...

 

Oh he was involved with plenty lol, perhaps not as a staker, but when he got ranked in Fishy, it was a sealed deal.

 

 

Many people I know who stole from merchants did it because they had to, not because they wanted to.

 

I have a friend who's father lost their job and they had to steal merchandise, and continue to, or they would have lost their house. One woman's roof fell in and she broke her arm and had to steal merchandise to pay for an operation she otherwise would have not been able to afford. Many people who steal merchandise do it to put themselves through school because their family can't afford to otherwise. One guy I knew was homeless before a friend who was ranked in a gang of thieves offered them a spot, and now the guy is on his feet with a place to live and a more secure future.

 

Sure, some do it to buy fancy cars or to just stack bills, but some people do this to help themselves in real life, and at the end of the day, if you're about to lose your home and you have the ability to steal merchandise from stores, what are you going to do then?

 

 

The only dislike for theft that *should* happen is dislike out of envy, and nothing else. People who steal merchandise aren't money hungry pieces of shit out to ruin the game. They're just trying to better their life in a way that honestly shouldn't hurt anybody. It's nothing personal.

I've heard this argument made before in the above, edited context. Do the circumstances given as reasons for the activity make the activity acceptable?

 

If people are making money off my product/service without my consent, through theft or other means, I'm going to be upset about it, no matter how they try to justify it.

 

However it's not your product nor your service, so what's your reason to be upset, because you're not doing it either? Because Jagex clearly does not care.

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None were anecdotal you fool. These were all actual stories from friends of mine in gambling clans. Way to assume, you're one ignorant piece of work, at least it's nice to know not much has changed since I stopped posting here as often.

You're the one that started with insults, though.

 

I can honestly say that none of the people I've met that have been involved with RWT have been so noble. Is it safe to assume that my experiences with the topic are void?

 

And I know a guy who’s a friend of my friend’s former in-law’s second-cousin’s-once-removed uncle’s brother’s former room-mate’s girlfriend, and he/she/it/they took all the money they got from selling Runescape gold and donated it to that cause that both Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are involved with, where every time you click “like” on Facebook, they donate one dollar to that charity that helps that poor country where everyone has cancer and they’re making a cure, so that’s why I don’t hate RWTers …

 

:rolleyes:

 

Actually, if you want to get technical Alg, ^ THAT ^ piece of work was the thing that started me off. A ignorant forum user who opens their mouth when they shouldn't. If that's not an insult, I don't know what is.

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Actually, if you want to get technical Alg, ^ THAT ^ piece of work was the thing that started me off. A ignorant forum user who opens their mouth when they shouldn't. If that's not an insult, I don't know what is.

That's understandable.

 

Sorry if I was rude, this kind of topic hits one of my pet peeves about the gaming community; justifying something by saying that the company is worse than they are.

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It's fine, Blyaunte, for once in her life I presume, actually had a good reason to doubt my claims. It's just usually my lack of proof for my claims pisses her off. It's fine though, the people who have been here long enough have come to understand that my sources are pretty reliable.

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I can't believe people are trying to justify RWT. That's like being in court and saying to the judge "I have a wife and kids to feed, so it's okay for me to do illegal things." Nope, it isn't.

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Not taking sides, and I highly doubt Logdotzip is lying, but Bly is right.

 

Her sarcastic post basically summed up the flaws in your post. Firstly you used anecdotal evidence to try and justify an activity as a whole, and secondly this anecdotal evidence was not witnessed first-hand.

 

An anecdote by definition is a short and amusing or interesting account based as a real incident. So by definition what you posted was an anecdote.

 

I do not doubt what you are saying is what you believe to be the truth, but using two quite possibly untrue examples to justify an activity as a whole is ridiculous.

 

Lastly, as others have mentioned, do you really believe that because the end result is desirable, the means of getting there is justified? Also, do you really believe RWT is victimless?

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Rwt

 

 

que mad rabid dogs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BUT ON A SERIOUS NOTE.

Rwt is never acceptable, unless you are jagex. SGS SQUEELING GO

View it as murder.

if anyone normally does it, they get 20 years

if you do it in the army, you get a medal and a nice pension

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Not taking sides, and I highly doubt Logdotzip is lying, but Bly is right.

 

Her sarcastic post basically summed up the flaws in your post. Firstly you used anecdotal evidence to try and justify an activity as a whole, and secondly this anecdotal evidence was not witnessed first-hand.

 

An anecdote by definition is a short and amusing or interesting account based as a real incident. So by definition what you posted was an anecdote.

 

I do not doubt what you are saying is what you believe to be the truth, but using two quite possibly untrue examples to justify an activity as a whole is ridiculous.

 

Lastly, as others have mentioned, do you really believe that because the end result is desirable, the means of getting there is justified? Also, do you really believe RWT is victimless?

 

 

Actually, I used four examples, and choose not to believe them if you like, but both are untrue and not exaggerated, literally, in ANY way. Perhaps if you had friends who made billions a week that you spoke to regularly, the idea wouldn't be so far-fetched. You don't, and I do, and I am not about to rat their names out, because some of them depend on this to survive.

 

 

And of course RWT is victimless, unless you count the game as one, which I don't. The only victims are either a) the fools who buy gold, or b) the stupid parents who leave their credit cards lying around.

 

Anyone who chooses being in poverty (in some cases) over breaking rules on a video game, is the biggest fool on the planet.

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It's fine, Blyaunte, for once in her life I presume, actually had a good reason to doubt my claims. It's just usually my lack of proof for my claims pisses her off. It's fine though, the people who have been here long enough have come to understand that my sources are pretty reliable.

 

I am not doubting that you believe that you're telling the truth, nor am I calling Stev a liar, either. I am merely pointing out the fallacious nature of your statements. Both are the epitome of the anecdotal evident confirmation bias. You assume that what you're saying is right because you can cite one or two examples, while the rest of the data that speaks contrary to your theory and, I may add, lays waste to it, is simply ignored or dubiously forgotten.

 

The "I know a person who" fallacy is one of the most common -- not to mention outrageously silly -- claims that any individual can make, and the comments from both you and Stev are no exception. While I cannot directly deny your "evidence" as factual, I can deny that it has any bearing on the issue of what effect RWT is having on this game and this community.

 

Of the millions of accounts involved with RWT, you can name what, three, maybe four, people who have used real world trading to [enrich or otherwise] improve their lives in a manner which one may deem more worthwhile than the millions of other accounts that are doing the exact same thing for "less" deserving purposes? Really? That's not exactly a fairly broad sample from which one can glean a positive result, is it?

 

Not to mention that, despite the "higher calling" of their virtuous pursuits they are, ultiimately, no better than any other RWTer seeking to enrich themselves within the confines of the game itself.

 

The ends don't justify the means here -- and they seldom ever do.

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Not taking sides, and I highly doubt Logdotzip is lying, but Bly is right.

 

Her sarcastic post basically summed up the flaws in your post. Firstly you used anecdotal evidence to try and justify an activity as a whole, and secondly this anecdotal evidence was not witnessed first-hand.

 

An anecdote by definition is a short and amusing or interesting account based as a real incident. So by definition what you posted was an anecdote.

 

I do not doubt what you are saying is what you believe to be the truth, but using two quite possibly untrue examples to justify an activity as a whole is ridiculous.

 

Lastly, as others have mentioned, do you really believe that because the end result is desirable, the means of getting there is justified? Also, do you really believe RWT is victimless?

 

 

Actually, I used four examples, and choose not to believe them if you like, but both are untrue and not exaggerated, literally, in ANY way. Perhaps if you had friends who made billions a week that you spoke to regularly, the idea wouldn't be so far-fetched. You don't, and I do, and I am not about to rat their names out, because some of them depend on this to survive.

 

 

And of course RWT is victimless, unless you count the game as one, which I don't. The only victims are either a) the fools who buy gold, or b) the stupid parents who leave their credit cards lying around.

 

Anyone who chooses being in poverty (in some cases) over breaking rules on a video game, is the biggest fool on the planet.

 

Firstly; You don't know anything about me, so please refrain from assuming you do.

 

Secondly; My post was pointing out the flaws in your post that Bly pointed out. Which you didn't address and got defensive about.

 

Thirdly; The game and community are they main victims of RWT. It's crazy to exclude them, even if you don't care about this game any more.

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sirplz, i am a wooden duck and i float

 

 

also all dis mud... everyone seems to be going on a slight 1/cot (ehehehehe(i might have wrong maths here so shoot me if so)). Big rwts got banned, big whoop, thousands more keep going.

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