Vann Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Fishy already changed FC to "Cam", let's see if we can get this one taken care of Cam tried buying the name "Flowers" off me when I quit a few weeks ago but I gave it to a friend in Coin fc. He was telling me he had Cam and a few other names as back up fcs but wanted Flowers. On topic:As someone who has been ranked/hosting in the gambling community for almost 2 years (Mew2, TheMilk, Cash, Coin, Legit One... Etc.) I have seen many people RWT loads and get away with it. Just from being in thriving fcs I have 4-5 of the biggest bulk gold buyers/resellers added on Skype and I know for a fact they service some of the big names. US tax law states you can receive up to $13,000 USD annually as a tax free gift from each individual. 5 bulk buyers at 13k each is $65k annually tax free... Plus transactions under $10k USD are not reported directly to the IRS so there are many ways around it. I will admit in dicings hay-day I partook in selling gold. Making max cash+ daily in Mew2 and seeing my friends do it and get away with it I thought "why not". I thought I had sound reasons to sell.. Most went to tuition, but I did make two "big" purchases (custom desktop and iPad). Eventually I realized I would rather give back to the community, help friends and enjoy the game so I stopped selling and would do hourly giveaways, donate to friends goals (over 2B donated to Suomi) and pk/stake for fun. I will probably be looked down on for selling gold, but I have not done it in over a year and don't plan on it. I recently quit and gave my remaining ~800M to some friends along with a few names I had. Even tho I do not sell anymore I still follow the market and keep up with prices and I will say the .28-.35/m for bulk now is way under the .65-.7/m a year ago. There is a lot of negativity around the gambling community, but honestly I always felt it was a tight knit community in itself. Yes scams take place but there are many legit clans out there. I personally think jagex should integrate a casino into the game with similar odds to dicing/flowers. People say they can't because the game has kids playing it, but Zynga and other Facebook game makers do it just fine. That way it would be monitored and regulated. Sorry for being long winded and if a mod wants to edit my post I'm ok with that. Peace,Vann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64jive Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Fishy already changed FC to "Cam", let's see if we can get this one taken care of Cam tried buying the name "Flowers" off me when I quit a few weeks ago but I gave it to a friend in Coin fc. He was telling me he had Cam and a few other names as back up fcs but wanted Flowers. On topic:As someone who has been ranked/hosting in the gambling community for almost 2 years (Mew2, TheMilk, Cash, Coin, Legit One... Etc.) I have seen many people RWT loads and get away with it. Just from being in thriving fcs I have 4-5 of the biggest bulk gold buyers/resellers added on Skype and I know for a fact they service some of the big names. US tax law states you can receive up to $13,000 USD annually as a tax free gift from each individual. 5 bulk buyers at 13k each is $65k annually tax free... Plus transactions under $10k USD are not reported directly to the IRS so there are many ways around it. I will admit in dicings hay-day I partook in selling gold. Making max cash+ daily in Mew2 and seeing my friends do it and get away with it I thought "why not". I thought I had sound reasons to sell.. Most went to tuition, but I did make two "big" purchases (custom desktop and iPad). Eventually I realized I would rather give back to the community, help friends and enjoy the game so I stopped selling and would do hourly giveaways, donate to friends goals (over 2B donated to Suomi) and pk/stake for fun.I will probably be looked down on for selling gold, but I have not done it in over a year and don't plan on it. I recently quit and gave my remaining ~800M to some friends along with a few names I had. Even tho I do not sell anymore I still follow the market and keep up with prices and I will say the .28-.35/m for bulk now is way under the .65-.7/m a year ago. There is a lot of negativity around the gambling community, but honestly I always felt it was a tight knit community in itself. Yes scams take place but there are many legit clans out there. I personally think jagex should integrate a casino into the game with similar odds to dicing/flowers. People say they can't because the game has kids playing it, but Zynga and other Facebook game makers do it just fine. That way it would be monitored and regulated. Sorry for being long winded and if a mod wants to edit my post I'm ok with that. Peace,Vann Why you wouldn't is beyond me. If you were making 2B a day, that is modestly about $1,000. Only hookers make that kind of money. If someone came up to me and said they had an opportunity for me to make $1000, I would assume the worst of what I would have to do to acquire that. The only people who wouldn't jump at this opportunity are those who do not know the value of money (ie, come from wealthy families). As someone who is paying off college tuition with an engineering degree, the fact of the matter is that these RWT most likely improved their quality of life by doing what they do. And how did it affect you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovecuttingyews Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I wouldn't. And I've got plenty of debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregorDGrim Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Why you wouldn't is beyond mePeople follow various codes of ethics. Some people don't have an issue with breaking laws or doing things against set rules, if it improves them personally and/or they can justify the behavior to themselves. Others do have an issue. The musings of a newbie going after his second thousand levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallstar Posted November 20, 2012 Author Share Posted November 20, 2012 I wouldn't. And I've got plenty of debt. Is that debt a student loan type where it has next to 0 interest? If not, you're potentially paying thousands more just through interest than if you sold now and paid it off... Asmodean <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovecuttingyews Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I wouldn't. And I've got plenty of debt. Is that debt a student loan type where it has next to 0 interest? If not, you're potentially paying thousands more just through interest than if you sold now and paid it off...It is student. But my answer would be the same when if it wasn't. Like the post a few up said. It's just my personal values and ethics. I will not profit off something I have no legal right to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64jive Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I wouldn't. And I've got plenty of debt. Is that debt a student loan type where it has next to 0 interest? If not, you're potentially paying thousands more just through interest than if you sold now and paid it off... Not sure where you go to school, but my student loans have 6.5% APR. Also the reason people take on debt is because they can't afford the cost at that time. Which further illustrates my point that so many people on this forum don't understand the value of money. I guess maybe I'm just a rebel..I drank when I was underage, I speed, and given the opportunity I would sell runescape gold. #Thug4Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum_Myr Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Many of us perfectly understand the value of money. We also understand the value of conscience and ethics. Just because we can do things doesn't mean we ought to. 6 Maxed since Sunday, January 9th, 2014Completionist since Wednesday, June 4th, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64jive Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Many of us perfectly understand the value of money. We also understand the value of conscience and ethics. Just because we can do things doesn't mean we ought to. The fact is, most people don't enjoy runescape anymore. They don't care if they ruin the game...to them the game is already ruined. Now it's more of a job than it is a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaida23 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I'd have to disagree that most people don't enjoy RS anymore. I, and everyone I know in-game enjoy it immensely. Besides, why would you continue to pay for a game you no longer enjoy? Check out my blog to read the Adventures of a Big Damn (F2P) Hero. THE place for all free players to connect, hang out and talk about how awesome it is to be F2P. So, Kaida is the real version of every fictional science-badass? That explains a lot, actually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64jive Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I wasn't saying most people but rather most RWTers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaida23 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 That I'll agree with. Check out my blog to read the Adventures of a Big Damn (F2P) Hero. THE place for all free players to connect, hang out and talk about how awesome it is to be F2P. So, Kaida is the real version of every fictional science-badass? That explains a lot, actually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum_Myr Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Many of us perfectly understand the value of money. We also understand the value of conscience and ethics. Just because we can do things doesn't mean we ought to. The fact is, most people don't enjoy runescape anymore. They don't care if they ruin the game...to them the game is already ruined. Now it's more of a job than it is a game. Whether or not I like runescape anymore has no bearing on whether I ought to sell gold. Maxed since Sunday, January 9th, 2014Completionist since Wednesday, June 4th, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64jive Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Many of us perfectly understand the value of money. We also understand the value of conscience and ethics. Just because we can do things doesn't mean we ought to. The fact is, most people don't enjoy runescape anymore. They don't care if they ruin the game...to them the game is already ruined. Now it's more of a job than it is a game. Whether or not I like runescape anymore has no bearing on whether I ought to sell gold.Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logdotzip Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 "Cam" FC is now closed, they've moved to "Hits" FC my youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Many of us perfectly understand the value of money. We also understand the value of conscience and ethics. Just because we can do things doesn't mean we ought to. Most rich players cheat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999134 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Many of us perfectly understand the value of money. We also understand the value of conscience and ethics. Just because we can do things doesn't mean we ought to. Most rich players cheatThat is a pretty broad generalisation.A lot of the richest players are those with hat sets/loads of rares from like 04 they never sold. Also many merchants are very rich.Just because a few of the high profile rich rs players lure, glitch, ddos, scam and rwt, does not mean the majority do. 1 Check it out, huge amount of effort has gone into this massive mod![hide=old sig][/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auror Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 "Cam" FC is now closed, they've moved to "Hits" FC I'm really wondering that how long they are going to continue hopping FCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaida23 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 For as long as there's money to be made. 2 Check out my blog to read the Adventures of a Big Damn (F2P) Hero. THE place for all free players to connect, hang out and talk about how awesome it is to be F2P. So, Kaida is the real version of every fictional science-badass? That explains a lot, actually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogOnBeach Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Which then brings up the point of how can Jagex stop this. As long as there is money to be made from this game, people will do "immoral" things to achieve said RLGP. Only thing Jagex can do at this point is Damage Control and "actually" start RWTing themselves. If Jagex were to sell RSGP for a low enough price, people wouldn't go out of their way to make RSGP and sell for RLGP. As for a moral standpoint, I don't really have "normal" morals. If people want to make money off a hobby who is to say they shouldn't do that. It is like bringing up copyright infringement, yes there are people getting caught/sued, yet a majority of us still pirate and distribute movies through various pirate sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovecuttingyews Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 No matter how low Jagex priced gold someone would always be there to undercut them. Also the runaway inflation would be nuts. Rwt for now is within the system so no gp is created other destroyed just transferred. Jagex selling gp would kill the economy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogOnBeach Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 If Jagex sold low enough no one would want to undercut them as the time vs money reward would become too low. Goldfarmers bring GP into the game by botting resource skills, whereas Fishy and the rest of them only recirculated the GP they earned from Dicing/Flowering, but yeah it would cause mass inflation compared to what it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberly Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 The point where it's no longer worth it for Jagex to sell gold due to being unable to stop the black market is far higher than the point where it's no longer worth it for a script runner to execute his scripts and sell his gold to a black market site (an hour's effort, maybe?) Flower games/gambling even less so than that. Jagex selling gold is not a solution to the RWT'ing problem, regardless if Jagex selling is a real possibility for Runescape's future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovecuttingyews Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 ...Goldfarmers bring GP into the game by botting resource skills...Value isn't the same as actual currency so resource bots don't directly bring in gp just value in the form of items. They may cause more gp to made through the system if the resources are eventually alched but I would argue that resource bots work more or less neutral because on the whole the gp gained by alching is not significantly high compared to the the value of the materials that simply disappear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64jive Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 No matter how low Jagex priced gold someone would always be there to undercut them. Also the runaway inflation would be nuts. Rwt for now is within the system so no gp is created other destroyed just transferred. Jagex selling gp would kill the economy. You are seriously delusional. Jagex selling gold is no different than RWT selling gold. Money is not simply transferred around. It is created from the massive bot farms, and then sold. With that said, I don't feel as if selling gold themselves would be any sort of solution. You are never going to be able to stop RWTing. It's something that will always exist. The only thing to do would be to create a deterrent. I find it funny that Jagex has a bot problem, which is an automated solution to playing the game. The most effective/efficient method for solving this problem? Find an automated solution for detecting rule breakers. Apparently hiring Jacmob didn't help with this solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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