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Many of us perfectly understand the value of money. We also understand the value of conscience and ethics. Just because we can do things doesn't mean we ought to.


Most rich players cheat

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Many of us perfectly understand the value of money. We also understand the value of conscience and ethics. Just because we can do things doesn't mean we ought to.


Most rich players cheat

That is a pretty broad generalisation.
A lot of the richest players are those with hat sets/loads of rares from like 04 they never sold. Also many merchants are very rich.
Just because a few of the high profile rich rs players lure, glitch, ddos, scam and rwt, does not mean the majority do.
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"Cam" FC is now closed, they've moved to "Hits" FC


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Which then brings up the point of how can Jagex stop this. As long as there is money to be made from this game, people will do "immoral" things to achieve said RLGP. Only thing Jagex can do at this point is Damage Control and "actually" start RWTing themselves. If Jagex were to sell RSGP for a low enough price, people wouldn't go out of their way to make RSGP and sell for RLGP. As for a moral standpoint, I don't really have "normal" morals. If people want to make money off a hobby who is to say they shouldn't do that. It is like bringing up copyright infringement, yes there are people getting caught/sued, yet a majority of us still pirate and distribute movies through various pirate sites.

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No matter how low Jagex priced gold someone would always be there to undercut them. Also the runaway inflation would be nuts. Rwt for now is within the system so no gp is created other destroyed just transferred. Jagex selling gp would kill the economy.

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If Jagex sold low enough no one would want to undercut them as the time vs money reward would become too low. Goldfarmers bring GP into the game by botting resource skills, whereas Fishy and the rest of them only recirculated the GP they earned from Dicing/Flowering, but yeah it would cause mass inflation compared to what it is now.

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The point where it's no longer worth it for Jagex to sell gold due to being unable to stop the black market is far higher than the point where it's no longer worth it for a script runner to execute his scripts and sell his gold to a black market site (an hour's effort, maybe?) Flower games/gambling even less so than that. Jagex selling gold is not a solution to the RWT'ing problem, regardless if Jagex selling is a real possibility for Runescape's future.

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...Goldfarmers bring GP into the game by botting resource skills...

Value isn't the same as actual currency so resource bots don't directly bring in gp just value in the form of items. They may cause more gp to made through the system if the resources are eventually alched but I would argue that resource bots work more or less neutral because on the whole the gp gained by alching is not significantly high compared to the the value of the materials that simply disappear.

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No matter how low Jagex priced gold someone would always be there to undercut them. Also the runaway inflation would be nuts. Rwt for now is within the system so no gp is created other destroyed just transferred. Jagex selling gp would kill the economy.


You are seriously delusional. Jagex selling gold is no different than RWT selling gold. Money is not simply transferred around. It is created from the massive bot farms, and then sold. With that said, I don't feel as if selling gold themselves would be any sort of solution.

You are never going to be able to stop RWTing. It's something that will always exist. The only thing to do would be to create a deterrent.

I find it funny that Jagex has a bot problem, which is an automated solution to playing the game. The most effective/efficient method for solving this problem? Find an automated solution for detecting rule breakers. Apparently hiring Jacmob didn't help with this solution.
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they've tried the automated system

remember when everybody was banned

can't just snap your fingers and wish for it

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n64, they are trying to find an automated system that can handle the botting solution. It's not an easy problem to solve. You can't just ask the players computer if there is a human sitting in front of it. It doesn't know, and even if it did, computers can be programmed to lie.

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Jagex seem to be taking the anti virus approach right now. They write definitions, or profiles, of behavior that demonstrates someone is botting. When the servers find someone who matches a profile, the servers ban them. The problem is that just like computer viruses, the people making them keep changing them to change their electronic signature and behavior, so that they no longer match a known profile. If you know how the bot works, you should always be able to write a profile to define and find it, but you need the bot script first, and it means that making a new bot that uses a new method not yet seen will work until Jagex can add or modify a profile to catch it.

The server also does not have unlimited resources. Checking accounts takes time. A filter is pretty easy, because everything it needs to know is in each line of text you write. Behavior takes time. There is the so called 'green mile' between lumbridge castle and the ge on world 1. Most of the auto typers trying to get to the ge follow this path, and most don't make it (the ban hand normally crushes them around the windmill). If they make it to the ge, then they start advertising. If it is a method that the system is set to identify, it will eventually destroy them, but it's not instant. If they live through the green mile, they will get at least a few lines off.


Also, Jagex selling gold is very different. RWT gold still comes from the game, not thin air. Making large ammounts of gold out of thin air would cause inflation. It's the same reason countries don't just print as much money as they need and instead take on debt. There is a lower floor to how gold farmers can sell gold, because running the bots isn't free, and there is a finite limit on how fast you can farm gold. At some point it would cease to be proffitable. If Jagex were to undercut that point, gold would be so cheep it would probably drive RuneScape to hyperinflation, and they'd probably end up adding a new currency (say a platinum coin that represents a billion gold ones). Many of the higher end items would also become disproportionately expensive, rising in value faster than the inflation rate, as people with literally unlimited funds drive prices up.

You also have to understand that even if Jagex just went competative, pricing at or even just above the gold farmers, it would still cause problems because more people would buy gold, magnifying the current effects. There are plenty of people who wont buy gold out of fear or distrust (fear of getting banned or robbed), or simply because it's against the rules. The more people who buy, the more will consider it just to stay competative.

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You are seriously delusional. Jagex selling gold is no different than RWT selling gold. Money is not simply transferred around. It is created from the massive bot farms, and then sold. With that said, I don't feel as if selling gold themselves would be any sort of solution.


Think before you start throwing around words like "delusional." They generate resources but they do not directly create gold. They exchange their resources for gold on the grand exchange and sell the gold they get as a result. Jagex selling gold would be directly creating gold, which is why Or Trade me was talking about screwing up the economy...I don't know what the hell you're on about.

As a side note: Jagex selling gold is not a deterrent if the black market can successfully thrive and people can take part without a significant fear of losing their account -- this is what we have today.

The most effective/efficient method for solving this problem? Find an automated solution for detecting rule breakers. Apparently hiring Jacmob didn't help with this solution.



Did you forget that they're still working on Botwatch? That's exactly what they're trying to do. They just have not been successful thusfar.

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1. I pointed out that I don't believe Jagex selling gold would remove RWT. Just to be clear, I agree with this point.
2. You compare Jagex selling gold to countries printing money, and I understand your thought process, but the two are not the same. You act as if bots create a resource instead of the gold that it is somehow different. It's a tiny bit different, but both lead to inflation.

Something I would like to see, but would never happen, would be the opening of a marketplace. Allow players to sell gold to other players for Runecoins. It would 1. Legitimate people would stop buying gold off of RWT sites. 2. One of the biggest drives for bots and RWT is real currency. This would help remove that aspect.

I would then like to see runecoins opened up to buying things like buffs, etc. While they are at it, get rid of the subscription model.
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Bots make my stuff cheaper. I don't think that's inflation. Their money still comes from the people.
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There is the so called 'green mile' between lumbridge castle and the ge on world 1. Most of the auto typers trying to get to the ge follow this path, and most don't make it (the ban hand normally crushes them around the windmill). If they make it to the ge, then they start advertising. If it is a method that the system is set to identify, it will eventually destroy them, but it's not instant. If they live through the green mile, they will get at least a few lines off.


A few make it all the way, but not many. Compared to the number of bots that show up at Explorer Jack in World 1 (making it past account creation, where some get banned within seconds of actually creating their accounts) compared to those that actually make it to the GE, it really is doing its job. Of course, while people want *all* of them banned before they can make it to the GE, the fact is that so many already are banned before making it to the GE that what we're seeing there are actually very little that make it all the way.

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I said the same, "LOL". Its only a matter of time before all of this repeats itself. My guess is that Jagex is watching all of his accounts now, and he won't be around for much longer (not to mention, the first ban killed his name recognition, which will eventually put him out of business).

Not to mention, World 2 GE seems a lot quieter now that a few of more of the big scale gambling "clans" have been axed. With Dare's name being changed (and later sniped, then banned completely by Jagex), to these two bans, the GE is now filled with a few smaller gambling clans trying to make it big. Guess we'll have to see if those are sent out of business in the next few months as well.


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