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On the first few days however the junkload of people that don't check for the contents of updates will get scammed massively.

Perhaps that would turn them against gambling for the rest of their RuneScape "career". And surely that would be a good thing?

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Just a thought - what if we had one themed world where gambling is allowed, and advertising gambling be forbidden on all others.

Hosts and betters will find eachother, and it'll unclog 150+ worlds Grand Exchange's from the hosting adverts?

 

Similar to high risk PvP worlds or Roleplaying worlds, there could be a clear message that any and all bets are at own risk, and Jagex will never undo any trades due to cases of scamming.

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Why gambling spam is bad, why spam in ge is bad? You go to crowded area and complain. It is obvious that your chat will be flooded. Set public to friend/off or just don't waste time in grand exchange.

 

And why gambling is bad?

 

A crowded area has enough going on without spambots flooding your chatbox and drowning out any real conversation. As you said, it's obvious. No one is mad simply because it's annoying, it's also because they are violating the rules as well as using macros to flood the chats.

 

Gambling isn't necessarily bad and that argument hasn't been made in this thread. Gambling as it currently exists in runescape, however, has a large amount of scamming involved with it because of trust trading.

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Why gambling spam is bad, why spam in ge is bad? You go to crowded area and complain. It is obvious that your chat will be flooded. Set public to friend/off or just don't waste time in grand exchange.

 

And why gambling is bad?

 

I didn't say it's bad. Hence my suggestion.

 

Chats can be flooded at times, but if it's actual chat that's ok with me. If it's just a bot making it impossible for me to actually keep track of a conversation, it no longer is ok.

There's so many of them, it takes quite a while to ignore them all.

 

Also, as for the argument of not going to G.E.: Are you mad?

It's not like I hang around there there all the time, but not going there for such a reason would be plain silly.

The fact it attracted crowds is why the gamblers/gold advertisers are there in the first place, not the other way around.

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Go to GE. Buy/sell items. Leave grand exchange. = Don't waste time in grand exchange.

 

 

If gambling isn't bad but scammers-gamblers are bad why jagex is trying to make gambling more difficult instead of introducing 'gambling' option. Something like trade but in 2nd window instead of 'accept' players got 'gamble' options, it wll remove 100% of scamers. Also made this option available only in special area far away from ge and problem is gone.

 

Could you explain why Jagex isn't doing this?

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On the first few days however the junkload of people that don't check for the contents of updates will get scammed massively.

Perhaps that would turn them against gambling for the rest of their RuneScape "career". And surely that would be a good thing?

 

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Go to GE. Buy/sell items. Leave grand exchange. = Don't waste time in grand exchange.

 

 

If gambling isn't bad but scammers-gamblers are bad why jagex is trying to make gambling more difficult instead of introducing 'gambling' option. Something like trade but in 2nd window instead of 'accept' players got 'gamble' options, it wll remove 100% of scamers. Also made this option available only in special area far away from ge and problem is gone.

 

Could you explain why Jagex isn't doing this?

 

Because they don't want to legitimize it.

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Why gambling spam is bad, why spam in ge is bad? You go to crowded area and complain. It is obvious that your chat will be flooded. Set public to friend/off or just don't waste time in grand exchange.

 

And why gambling is bad?

People don't like it intruding on their game? If you go to a casino you have no right to complain about gamblers, but if there's a gambling den at the mall there's a problem. I like the mall analogy because the mall, like RS, has plenty of underage people there.

 

Eh, then they will propably never get rid of it and gamblers-scamers will be in game.

 

 

Why they don't want to legitimize it?

 

A lot of RS players are minors. Maybe because they don't want a bunch of angry parents (moms) boycotting Jagex and complaining to the media about it. Maybe because they can't figure out a way to legitimize gambling without breaking gambling laws. Most likely a combination of both.

 

Comes back to the mall analogy. You can't have a legitimate gambling casino inside a mall.

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Eh, then they will propably never get rid of it and gamblers-scamers will be in game.

 

 

Why they don't want to legitimize it?

Because introducing (legitimate) gambling into the game might be against some countries' laws.

That's also the reason for their 'SoF is not gambling because you always win something'-stance.

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How come they can't just make it against the rules again?

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Because it's easier to just say it's "against the spirit of the game" than to try and actually do something about it.

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Because it's easier to just say it's "against the spirit of the game" than to try and actually do something about it.

 

Like when they banned all 50-50 game advertising for GoP rather than fix it's crappy mechanics. Kudos to those who memorize the angles to push/pull at, but if I'm standing right in front of something and start to attract it where its direct path should go directly past the altar, it shouldn't go off to the left...

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Bloody hell world 1 and 2 are practically off limits for any kind of public chat even WITH the new bot exploding whatsit. It's no wonder the game has been in decline. If that's what I saw when I first started playing RuneScape I'd never play it again.

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Bloody hell world 1 and 2 are practically off limits for any kind of public chat even WITH the new bot exploding whatsit. It's no wonder the game has been in decline. If that's what I saw when I first started playing RuneScape I'd never play it again.

 

You would never have to go to a high populated world to trade though, so chances are you wouldn't see something like that in that volume.

 

It's not the same game when you and I first started playing.

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A Jagex endorsed gambling system would be a good idea in my opinion. It would be a simple 50/50 game where you bet X cash for a chance to win 1.9X cash, or something similar. So

 

1. People who want to gamble regardless of the odds being against them can do so in a 100% safe environment. (No chance of getting scammed)

2. It isn't worth it to gamble. Your expected return on your bet is on average lower than the amount you bet.

3. Acts as a cash sink and an inflation countermeasure. Whilst player-player gambling merely moves money from low density gp areas to high density gp areas (and is eventually spread back into the low density gp areas), the gp Jagex makes can be removed from the game. Due to the popularity of gambling, this would almost certainly be a far more effective counter-measure than the various schemes currently around. (Such as degradable equipment.)

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I was always under the impression Jagex can't ever add any-form of in-game "gambling" due to their age requirements, even though it is "fake money" (game coins) they still can't really add it, not an actual "gambling" way to make more "fake money".

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I was always under the impression Jagex can't ever add any-form of in-game "gambling" due to their age requirements, even though it is "fake money" (game coins) they still can't really add it, not an actual "gambling" way to make more "fake money".

 

I fail to see how this would be any different than something like fake casino's in arcades. There are tons of arcades in the U.S. which will let kids put quarters into a slot machine, or video poker machine, and give them back tokens which can be redeemed for prizes. Somehow I guess this is legal for kids because they are not being rewarded directly with money, but are rewarded with a token which in itself doesn't have any real world value. I would imagine that gambling in RS would follow these very similar rules???

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Follows is information from the Future of RuneScape Q & A which more or less corroborates the chat transcript I posted. It's also from Mod Mark, and he is lead content developer, so I don't see why doubt should be cast on this possibility any longer. Gambling alternatives are a reality now (emphasis mine):

 

33. Are there any plans to either remove player-hosted gambling from the game or make a casino for them to operate in?

 

[Mod] Mark: It’s a good question and it is things that Mark and I have talked about a lot. Previously I’ve always believed that gambling wasn’t right in RuneScape, but actually when I thought about the activities that they were involved with, it wasn’t too far away from the kinds of things that you do in the Wilderness. RuneScape players are looking for high-risk, high-reward game play. The idea of putting some GP on the result of a flip of a coin is high-risk game play. The downside with what’s currently going on in the game is that the way the players are gambling; there are no rules to support them. They are at the mercy of being scammed which is a real shame and I’ve had some good meetings this week with some of the customer support team on how we can do more to help people who have been scammed and to stop scamming.

 

Also, we know and we’ve proved that a lot of the GP which has gone through different hands ends up going to gold farmers and being sold which is something illegal and which we don’t tolerate in any way at all. I’m committed to removing the problem we currently have in the game and giving the players an alternative; something which is similar to the kind of gambling that they’re doing at the moment but something that we’re more comfortable with in terms of the way that it works in the game world and also something where we think we can give them the support that they need to not get scammed. There are a lot of better and safer ways where we can provide that kind of high-risk game play without all of the downsides we currently have and I’m definitely 100% committed to doing that next year.

 

Take from that what you will. We've had confirmation since last week. :P

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I remember being disappointed because his answer being so vague sorta indicated that they hadn't put anything serious into planning & implementing yet.

 

Yeah. IMO, it's good to know that they at least acknowledge the need for a safe alternative. It's too little, too late to continue with the heavy-handed tactics Jagex have used in response thus far.

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