2013: What's Coming and What's Going

[mousepad]

I just want to contribute to the discussion about runecape being a total grind now. I have been back playing since Jan. 1 after a 1.5 year break, and I started my account before farming came out. I feel like the game has less grinding than ever before. Everything has a x-all option (even cleaning herbs!), the task bar makes for fast dropping of ores and things like that, there are concentrated ores (mining traditionally was one of the hardest grinds, not anymore), there are insanely fast combat xp rates out there if you want them, slayer is faster than ever, loadstones makes getting around so quick and you never have to run back to the bank for teleport stuff, and it just goes on and on. Jagex has really tried to reduce the amount of clicking we have to do.

 

Add on top of that the fact that 99% of people here probably are watching netflix or going on reddit while playing and you are doing almost exactly the same thing as millions of people around the world are, but playing a cool game at the same time. When I am banging out guests (doing one right now) I am watching Game of Thrones. Before Jan. 1, I would have been watching game of thrones but would have been eating something the whole time. Now, I am playing runescape instead of boredom eating. Which is more healthy?

 

There are things jagex has done wrong, there are things that are outside of jagex control that are going on, and then there are a lot of things that have been good. Like I stated earlier in this thread, it is my belief that the unimaginable success of runescape is both unprecedented (which 12 year old game are other people playing massively online? Oh right, none) and going to be a problem going forward. Jagex is going to have to pioneer new territory and see if they can make a game span 20, 25, 30 years.

 

Remember the opening music when you would go to log in to RS2?

Tell me that doesn't make you feel something good. We all want to feel that again every time we log in.

[muggiwhplar]

XP rates aren't necessarily relevant to the grind. Doesn't matter if you get 10k xp/hr or 1m xp/hr-- if the training method doesn't excite you and make you have fun, then I consider it a grind. If you don't keep returning to that training method just for fun after accomplishing your goals, it's probably a grind. If you have to watch Netflix while you train to keep you from getting bored, it's probably a grind.

[Deletion]

In my mind, the only person who is coming close to truely completing the game is SUOMI, as soon as he hits that magic 5B mark, I will be glad to say that there is indeed one guy who has completed the game, irrelevant to future updates.

 

But at what cost? His friends, family, life?

 

He also doesn't have the "completionist" cape.

[Platinum_Myr]

It really depends on what "complete" means. It means something different to many different types of player.

[Yoko Kurama]

In my mind, the only person who is coming close to truely completing the game is SUOMI, as soon as he hits that magic 5B mark, I will be glad to say that there is indeed one guy who has completed the game, irrelevant to future updates.

 

But at what cost? His friends, family, life?

 

He also doesn't have the "completionist" cape.

 

Indeed. In my view, actually completing the official requirements is a far more reasonable criterion for having truly "completed" the game than pursuing some destructive unofficial imaginary self-imposed requirement. Interesting how that sort of thing is seen, proudly, as having "completed" the game.

[jayc3399]

The difference is at 5B xp you can't go any futher. Having compcape doesn't stop you from continuing to grow your account. But at 5b XP you can never gain another XP

[Yoko Kurama]

The difference is at 5B xp you can't go any futher. Having compcape doesn't stop you from continuing to grow your account. But at 5b XP you can never gain another XP

 

How does going past 99/120 "grow" your account in any meaningful sense? There are no levels, no abilities, and nothing tangible at all. The completionist cape, however, is a tangible and official (well I suppose 5B is semi-official given Jagex's support of it) indication of having "completed" the game. If numbers, particularly those that won't even yield levels, is your goal, you could just as easily track your experience on a spreadsheet and go on forever (much like those people who don't stop at 2.1B, but instead keep amassing wealth and storing it through trickeries), why stop at 5B? Mind you, I'm not here (this time at least) to talk about any of the people pursuing this, but I find the argument that 5B is the true mark of completion of the game to be silly and unfounded, and wholly imaginary.

[jayc3399]

The difference is at 5B xp you can't go any futher. Having compcape doesn't stop you from continuing to grow your account. But at 5b XP you can never gain another XP

 

How does going past 99/120 "grow" your account in any meaningful sense? There are no levels, no abilities, and nothing tangible at all. The completionist cape, however, is a tangible and official (well I suppose 5B is semi-official given Jagex's support of it) indication of having "completed" the game. If numbers, particularly those that won't even yield levels, is your goal, you could just as easily track your experience on a spreadsheet and go on forever (much like those people who don't stop at 2.1B, but instead keep amassing wealth and storing it through trickeries), why stop at 5B? Mind you, I'm not here (this time at least) to talk about any of the people pursuing this, but I find the argument that 5B is the true mark of completion of the game to be silly and unfounded, and wholly imaginary.

 

Its like getting max level in any other game. Thats it no more. Not to mention the abitrary requirement of 5k cwars games is a little stupid. How is that anymore "complete" then getting 5b?

[muggiwhplar]

The difference is at 5B xp you can't go any futher. Having compcape doesn't stop you from continuing to grow your account. But at 5b XP you can never gain another XP

 

How does going past 99/120 "grow" your account in any meaningful sense? There are no levels, no abilities, and nothing tangible at all. The completionist cape, however, is a tangible and official (well I suppose 5B is semi-official given Jagex's support of it) indication of having "completed" the game. If numbers, particularly those that won't even yield levels, is your goal, you could just as easily track your experience on a spreadsheet and go on forever (much like those people who don't stop at 2.1B, but instead keep amassing wealth and storing it through trickeries), why stop at 5B? Mind you, I'm not here (this time at least) to talk about any of the people pursuing this, but I find the argument that 5B is the true mark of completion of the game to be silly and unfounded, and wholly imaginary.

 

Its like getting max level in any other game. Thats it no more. Not to mention the abitrary requirement of 5k cwars games is a little stupid. How is that anymore "complete" then getting 5b?

 

Because it unlocked the CW professional cape prior to completionist. Same reason 4k chompy kills is on the list.

[jayc3399]

The difference is at 5B xp you can't go any futher. Having compcape doesn't stop you from continuing to grow your account. But at 5b XP you can never gain another XP

 

How does going past 99/120 "grow" your account in any meaningful sense? There are no levels, no abilities, and nothing tangible at all. The completionist cape, however, is a tangible and official (well I suppose 5B is semi-official given Jagex's support of it) indication of having "completed" the game. If numbers, particularly those that won't even yield levels, is your goal, you could just as easily track your experience on a spreadsheet and go on forever (much like those people who don't stop at 2.1B, but instead keep amassing wealth and storing it through trickeries), why stop at 5B? Mind you, I'm not here (this time at least) to talk about any of the people pursuing this, but I find the argument that 5B is the true mark of completion of the game to be silly and unfounded, and wholly imaginary.

 

Its like getting max level in any other game. Thats it no more. Not to mention the abitrary requirement of 5k cwars games is a little stupid. How is that anymore "complete" then getting 5b?

 

Because it unlocked the CW professional cape prior to completionist. Same reason 4k chompy kills is on the list.

 

But why that instead of say full void, or full hybrid armor or all the pets from soulwars. It was still abitrary and chosen purely to make things long and extend the lifespan of people playing. Where as 5b xp is something that puts your name on the home page and top of the highscores.

[muggiwhplar]

(Shrug) Jagex be crazy :P

[Scary Crayon]

That opening music is epic

[Ginger_Warrior]

I have literally no idea why the opening menu is still the Dungeoneering theme. Unless there's backhander involved or a bet someone lost.

[Scherzo]

The difference is at 5B xp you can't go any futher. Having compcape doesn't stop you from continuing to grow your account. But at 5b XP you can never gain another XP

 

But then again, nothing says that xp is the only way you can grow your rank. You can still grow in MA ranks after 5b xp, for example. You can still get more money. There really is no end to the game, and nothing completes it other than fullfilling whatever you want to do on rs.

 

 

I agree that the game is grindy, and I think skills like agility could use a rework so that it would be more fun to train them. But that can still only go so far. Even dungeoneering and slayer, which are some of the more variated skills get grindy if your only goal is to get as much xp as you want.

 

To the people saying that rs is the grind and that it needs to be that way: Changing the training methods to methods that's a bit more fun to play still wouldn't destroy your grind. If I understand correctly, and feeling this way my self, to some extent. Even for people that like grind based games, it's not the grind itself, but the setting and reaching of goals which are the main point. So changing the methods (without changing the rate of gaining xp very much) would be a win-win situation, unless it's very important for you to brag about getting 99 rc before runespan/abyss, slayer before EoC etc.

[Harry Delvin]

I just noticed something. Everyone seems to think RS is just "grind grind grind".

There are still minigames, or quests, or PVP, or a million other things.

Maybe it's just because I grind solely for quest or minigame or PoP requirements and have skills between 20-65, but really, people... have some fun!

 

And isn't this a news discussion topic?

[Golvellius]

Remember the opening music when you would go to log in to RS2?

Tell me that doesn't make you feel something good. We all want to feel that again every time we log in.

That's probably just nostalgia for your childhood talking.

 

 

My childhood nostalgia goes something like this.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MS_dGdqBOU

[Tim]

(grumpy cat face)

 

I'll believe it when i see it.

To be fair, they did get better about some of that stuff in the later part of the year.

 

Much like everyone else, I'll believe it when I see it. Don't they put one of these out at the start of every year?

Since about 2006. Shame, that free 700k exp could help me get 94-95 slayer since it's retardedly slow atm.

 

As for promos, I think they were okay. only problem was they practically had them back-to-back, some weren't accessible due to global issues, and the pop ups in game were more then unnecessary.

 

I just noticed something. Everyone seems to think RS is just "grind grind grind".

There are still minigames, or quests, or PVP, or a million other things.

Maybe it's just because I grind solely for quest or minigame or PoP requirements and have skills between 20-65, but really, people... have some fun!

 

And isn't this a news discussion topic?

True, but for a good chunk of mini games, they're dominated by high levels or the rich, thus we have to grind grind grind to compete. (Castle Wars, Soul Wars, Clan Wars, FOG)

 

...and then others that are dead content due to location and requirement to get to said location.... yes you, Trouble Brewing.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Slayer training right now is the fastest rate it's been in years... the abilities have made it far easier to wipe out the run-of-the-mill opponents

[Yoko Kurama]

Not to mention the abitrary requirement of 5k cwars games is a little stupid. How is that anymore "complete" then getting 5b?

 

I have always maintained that the Comp Trimmed cape(particualrly the 5k games) is absurd lunacy, always. What I'm arguing for, in this thread, is that silly though it may be, it's certainly no worse than being a "completion" standard than 5B is, in fact it makes somewhat more sense, only in a relative sense.