2007 - Old School RuneScape... You Vote! - [It's Here!]

[Estoc]

Why the [bleep] do you guys compare RSC with what's happening now? The time frame and generation is much much different than it was before.

 

Nostalgia failed then and it will fail now.

[jayc3399]

It's gonna get over 100k votes very easily considering its almost at 70000 and we're not even 24 hours in.

 

I'm pushing 250k votes by Monday, and within the next two weeks 500k votes. Let's all welcome back the good old days folks.

 

The number of votes drops over time, it doesn't speed up.

 

It's gonna get over 100k votes very easily considering its almost at 70000 and we're not even 24 hours in.

 

I'm pushing 250k votes by Monday, and within the next two weeks 500k votes. Let's all welcome back the good old days folks.

 

Ah delusional hope.

 

I'm betting it falls short or maybe hits the 250k mark.

 

Numbers clearly back me up.

 

Closing in on 70k votes, 17 hours left. If we just average 3k votes will have almost 130k votes before tomorrow. I'm 100% sure this will hit 250k by Monday or Tuesday.

 

I have a strong feeling that you will be the most disappointed player who has posted on this thread. Almost every one of your expectations is unreasonable or flawed in some way.

 

3k votes per hour won't last. Like I said earlier, your looking at 80-90% of all votes done by Sunday Night. You will weep.

[Bubs]

Why the [bleep] do you guys compare RSC with what's happening now? The time frame and generation is much much different than it was before.

 

Nostalgia failed then and it will fail now.

 

That doesn't even make sense.

[Coconut Bodywash]

Why the [bleep] do you guys compare RSC with what's happening now? The time frame and generation is much much different than it was before.

 

Nostalgia failed then and it will fail now.

The big difference is that nobody was really obsessed over RSC(on a large scale), it was pretty much a general improvement from RSC->RS2.

 

The difference here is that people have put 2007 on a pedestal and think of it as the holy grail of Runescape.(As for many of us, 2004-2008 was probably the most fun we've had on the game) But the thing is that it was mostly fun because of the people we met and that everything was so new and exciting, NOT entirely because of the mechanics, which I think people will realize after the vote.. but for now the votes will keep pouring in lol

[Estoc]

RSC is a horrible thing to compare this to.

 

It is a legacy server set at a different point in the game's history. If you can't see the similarities then I'm sorry but it's impossible for me to make any clearer.

 

 

Why the [bleep] do you guys compare RSC with what's happening now? The time frame and generation is much much different than it was before.

 

Nostalgia failed then and it will fail now.

 

That doesn't even make sense.

 

People want legacy servers because they remember the old versions of the game fondly. They don't recall however that the best times they had were due to a number of things. Ignorance, youth, progress, many things contributed to their enjoyment of the game. Do you really think that people enjoyed the game because combat froze you for 3 turns? Because npcs were no better than 2d sprites? Because you had to click once for every resource? All of the latter is coming back with none of the former.

 

I can go and play games like Super Mario Bros from 20 years ago because the draw is in mechanics and atmosphere. The draw of Runescape is in the discovery and the community. Since I will be granted neither ignorance of the game nor the youth in which I played it I have little interest in it.

[Bubs]

RSC is a horrible thing to compare this to.

 

It is a legacy server set at a different point in the game's history. If you can't see the similarities then I'm sorry but it's impossible for me to make any clearer.

 

You're still making little to no sense, sorry.

[Sy_Accursed]

Why the [bleep] do you guys compare RSC with what's happening now? The time frame and generation is much much different than it was before.

 

Nostalgia failed then and it will fail now.

The big difference is that nobody was really obsessed over RSC(on a large scale), it was pretty much a general improvement from RSC->RS2.

 

The difference here is that people have put 2007 on a pedestal and think of it as the holy grail of Runescape.(As for many of us, 2004-2008 was probably the most fun we've had on the game) But the thing is that it was mostly fun because of the people we met and that everything was so new and exciting, NOT entirely because of the mechanics, which I think people will realize after the vote.. but for now the votes will keep pouring in lol

 

A lot of people WERE obsessed over RSC vs RS2.

There was probably an equal if not larger portion of the community hating rs2 and wanting rsc to stay back then than there was for 07scape now.

 

It is a near identical situation - portion of players putting it on a pedestal and wanting it to continue under insistance it will do well and be worth it.

If anything RSC had a better chance as it was immediate nostalgia for a community and game that still existed a matter of days/weeks after the change compared to a the 5 year divorce between current and 07 that means the community nostalgia recalls is basically gone.

[Fallstar]

Can someone please explain what nostalgia has to do with such a recent event?

 

Is 6 years really such a long time to some of you that you can't remember all the flaws the game had in 2007, the improvements it had over the current game, and objectively decide which version you prefer? Because I have no problem whatsoever doing so.

[Bubs]

Can someone please explain what nostalgia has to do with such a recent event?

 

Is 6 years really such a long time to some of you that you can't remember all the flaws the game had in 2007, the improvements it had over the current game, and objectively decide which version you prefer? Because I have no problem whatsoever doing so.

 

You're asking this of the RuneScape community. Please.

[teknofield]

I want the old RS back, I'm like an old man who refuses to adapt to modern things.

[Sy_Accursed]

Can someone please explain what nostalgia has to do with such a recent event?

 

Is 6 years really such a long time to some of you that you can't remember all the flaws the game had in 2007, the improvements it had over the current game, and objectively decide which version you prefer? Because I have no problem whatsoever doing so.

 

Its an issue because a fair portion of people who have given reasons for wanting it have in various ways glossed over flaws and in, the more relavant issue, marked things that entirely depend on community as reasons for wanting it back (eg pking, staking, people did this, people didn't do that etc.). Anything that depends upon a community deceased 5 years ago as a reason is nostalgic because regardless of the game being back it won't magically reform that community - it'll be the community we have now in a older game.

[teknofield]

Look guys if this is all just "stupid Nostalgia" and "Hype" then be it! Continue playing your shit EoC, and let RS2007 die.

[TalrogSmash]

You are all continuously missing the point that this is a cash grab, a ruse. As the voting level hits something ridiculously low (50k) they have an excuse to raise the membership fee by (up to) $15. If it makes it all the way to 250k they will only raise it by $5. If it makes it to something impossible (500k) they won't charge us and admit they were mistaken. If it passes that (750K!) then they will have enough new members that they will allow it to go f2p. Are you so naive that you believe that they set this up with attainable marks?

 

"There seems to be a lot of conjecture around the actual size of the playing community with a lot of people incorrectly assuming that the ‘concurrent player count’ on the RuneScape website represents the total number of active players.

To clear up any confusion on this matter I want to confirm that our Unique Active Player stats for the proceeding 14 Days from Monday the 11th Feb was actually 8,229,459!

So as to the pockets of cynicism that this vote is somehow setup to fail due to barely enough members to hit the first level of viability, you really could not be more wrong."

--mod Mmg

 

Notice that the stat is "Unique Active Player stats" **NOT** "Unique Active Member Stats", they know exactly how many unique active member log ins they get in a two week period and it won't be remotely close. This is a membership drive at best. A gouge (in motion since 50k was reached) at worst.

[Sy_Accursed]

Hour 1 - 14k

Hour 2 - 27k (+13k -1k)

Hour 3 - 36k (+9k -4k)

Hour 4 - 44k (+8k -1k)

Hour 5 - 52k (+8k =)

Hour 6 - 59.4k (+7.4k -0.6k)

Hour 7 - 66.2k (+6.8k - 0.6k)

Hour 8 - 73k (+6.8k =)

 

[PolarBearBlue]

You are all continuously missing the point that this is a cash grab, a ruse. As the voting level hits something ridiculously low (50k) they have an excuse to raise the membership fee by (up to) $15. If it makes it all the way to 250k they will only raise it by $5. If it makes it to something impossible (500k) they won't charge us and admit they were mistaken. If it passes that (750K!) then they will have enough new members that they will allow it to go f2p. Are you so naive that you believe that they set this up with attainable marks?

 

"There seems to be a lot of conjecture around the actual size of the playing community with a lot of people incorrectly assuming that the ‘concurrent player count’ on the RuneScape website represents the total number of active players.

To clear up any confusion on this matter I want to confirm that our Unique Active Player stats for the proceeding 14 Days from Monday the 11th Feb was actually 8,229,459!

So as to the pockets of cynicism that this vote is somehow setup to fail due to barely enough members to hit the first level of viability, you really could not be more wrong."

--mod Mmg

 

Notice that the stat is "Unique Active Player stats" **NOT** "Unique Active Member Stats", they know exactly how many unique active member log ins they get in a two week period and it won't be remotely close. This is a membership drive at best. A gouge (in motion since 50k was reached) at worst.

 

We know this. We are giving reason as to why players will agree to this cash grab.

[Fallstar]

I have seen a few people talking about community, but most people are interested in the gameplay from back then.

 

I mean, the PVP community has always been full of people trash talking, scamming and otherwise trying to gain an unfair advantage. As many people ran away from an agreed deathmatch in 2007 as did in 2011 (last time I pk'd in the wildy.) When people say they want the 2007 community back in terms of PVP, I think they mean having a full wilderness and duel arena. i.e. they want the size of the community back; the quality of the community hasn't changed one bit as far as I've noticed.

[Sy_Accursed]

I have seen a few people talking about community, but most people are interested in the gameplay from back then.

 

I mean, the PVP community has always been full of people trash talking, scamming and otherwise trying to gain an unfair advantage. As many people ran away from an agreed deathmatch in 2007 as did in 2011 (last time I pk'd in the wildy.) When people say they want the 2007 community back in terms of PVP, I think they mean having a full wilderness and duel arena. i.e. they want the size of the community back; the quality of the community hasn't changed one bit as far as I've noticed.

 

The thing is for an mmorpg gameplay is 50% game content 50% community.

So even talk of 'gameplay' is suspect the issue of nostalgia of a community that is gone.

 

And of course having a full wildy and duel arena is entirely possible now in live game - it's only not there because the community died out.

[Blyaunte]

RSC is a horrible thing to compare this to.

 

It is a legacy server set at a different point in the game's history. If you can't see the similarities then I'm sorry but it's impossible for me to make any clearer.

 

You're still making little to no sense, sorry.

 

It makes perfect sense to me. Perhaps if he drew you some pictures … :unsure:

[Will H]

If anyone is interested, here is a chart that plots the number of votes.

http://www.misplaced...m/2007scape.php

 

It's currently grabbing every 5 mins or so and it starts logging right around 60k votes.

 

Doesn't work, but I see your problem, you missed the "www." in the URL. I'll fix it for you.

 

EDIT: Keep up the good work!

 

I don't understand why that's an issue, but if it fixed it for you, that's good.

 

I've also added a text log of the data grabs.

 

http://www.misplaced....php?table=true

 

If it helps, I use Chrome. Seems to have fixed PolarBearBlue's issue as well, and she uses Firefox. I think we're sorted out now. :)

[Robert_R]

RSC is a horrible thing to compare this to.

 

It is a legacy server set at a different point in the game's history. If you can't see the similarities then I'm sorry but it's impossible for me to make any clearer.

 

You're still making little to no sense, sorry.

 

It makes perfect sense to me. Perhaps if he drew you some pictures … :unsure:

idk he might need to write it in crayon or something.

[Bubs]

RSC is a horrible thing to compare this to.

 

It is a legacy server set at a different point in the game's history. If you can't see the similarities then I'm sorry but it's impossible for me to make any clearer.

 

You're still making little to no sense, sorry.

 

It makes perfect sense to me. Perhaps if he drew you some pictures … :unsure:

 

He could scribble on paper and maybe add a smiley face or two, would be a better constructed argument. :rolleyes:

[teknofield]

Jagex would be extremely naive if they think that people will pay 15$ more a month or 10$ dollars more just to play 2007scape. There are many private servers that people can use and play for free.

[Bubs]

Jagex would be extremely naive if they think that people will pay 15$ more a month or 10$ dollars more just to play 2007scape.

 

Some people would, and that's what they are hoping for I'd assume.

[teknofield]

Jagex would be extremely naive if they think that people will pay 15$ more a month or 10$ dollars more just to play 2007scape.

 

Some people would, and that's what they are hoping for I'd assume.

 

Well that my friend, is how you recreate this whole RSC thing again.

[Syd]

After saying already that I won't vote, I went and did anyway. Why?

 

First of all, I don't think that setting up and running older version of the game is taking as much expenses as people expect here. On the other hand, every player playing on a old server has to be a member or has to be a member and pay something on top of that. That seems like a pretty decent revenue to me. Revenue that could be spent on improving both games. I do believe that the old servers will bring people back, and maybe even make people try out on the current version again. After thinking about it for a while, I can't really see all the ways people (me probably included) have said about how this will backfire on Jagex as a business and by that way to the future of the current game.

 

In a game like this, a fresh start (or atleast a possibility for one) is needed. I know I personally have played over 10 years on my account, and have no real reason to go through all of it again on a new one. But I can see alot of people who would like to start the whole game from a scratch. This game was never really fair for everyone. People who started later missed out on rares, missed out on being first to get 85 slayer, 85 mining, 91 runecrafting, high combats, slaying high level monsters and all that. They missed out on the chance to make the money big time. Where some people already had managed to make banks and skills so high there was no real competition to be had. Of course there are always exceptions, but for any average player I can see this becoming a problem. In a game where experience, items, highscores and competing against others matters as much as here, having a chance to start a game from same line with everyone else does seem quite tempting. Fresh economy, new challenges.. A fresh start.

 

For that reason be I given a chance to play on 2007 server without paying extra (or atleast any more than 5), I will be around to see how it all plays out. Who will progress fastest, who will complete the most quests fastest, which way will people approach different goals, where will people generally focus their gameplay and how will the economy play out? After giving this quite some thought - measuring the pros and cons - I can't really see a reason not to vote.

 

EDIT: It would be the most ridicule thing ever for them to raise the membership 5-15$ for everyone so we could all play 2007scape. I'm pretty certain that you have to pay 5-15$ extra to get to play 2007scape, but you can still keep playing current version for the price you are paying now. Expecting anything different is just foolish.

 

EDIT2: During the time it took me to write this post, we got 3k more votes. 250k+ will pass for sure.