Ammako Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 People keep mentioning that they don't want this to be successful, fearing that it may take away from development time for the current RS.... Why? Why would the wants of those who prefer EoC be more important than the wants of those who prefer the 2007 version of the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoko Kurama Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 People keep mentioning that they don't want this to be successful, fearing that it may take away from development time for the current RS.... Why? Why would the wants of those who prefer EoC be more important than the wants of those who prefer the 2007 version of the game? Because we're a majority, and they're not. Furthermore, the whole thing is just ill-conceived. It will not last, namely because most of the people here are in Disney-land where they've convinced themselves that if only we could have 2007 back, it'd just be so wonderful, that community and all that. But it won't. It's delusional thinking. When they're faced with how 2007 actually was, most of them will abandon it. Also, this project undermines all the progress that RS had made over the past 6 years. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruinous Edge Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 People keep mentioning that they don't want this to be successful, fearing that it may take away from development time for the current RS.... Why? Why would the wants of those who prefer EoC be more important than the wants of those who prefer the 2007 version of the game?It's not that simple, if everyone votes for the sake of it then doesn't play the 2007 servers it means Jagex would have created a business plan for say 800k players but only 300k players ever log in I.e free for all but they'll lose out because normally for 300k players they would have incurred a monthly cost on top of usual membership to pay for the dev. staf to maintain 2007 servers. But if only the people that want to play vote they'll create an accurate business plan that factors in the costs versus profit effectively.I'm not saying don't vote at all only vote if your actually intending to play the new servers, otherwise your feeding Jagex false data that helps no-one and hinders both games. 2 Quest Cape Achieved 10/08/2012TFU: Ruinous Edge http://www.transformersuniverse.comA piece of glass in the sand under your feet, it cuts you deep and it makes you hate the beauty that you see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krampell Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 People keep mentioning that they don't want this to be successful, fearing that it may take away from development time for the current RS.... Why? Why would the wants of those who prefer EoC be more important than the wants of those who prefer the 2007 version of the game?I'd say mainly because those people are in favour of what Jagex is doing. Supporting the change and evolution of Runescape.If Jagex wanted stuff to really be like it was back in 2007, then they would never do anything to change how it was back then. Or possible that they don't live in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliable Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Still don't get why everyone seems to assume we all want 2007 servers for the community and nostalgia... majority of the people i talk to (as well as myself) want it for a fresh start where you actually can compete, a non-microtransaction game, a more challenging game, etc. Tbh I hated the community even in 2007 lol. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallstar Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Hour 1 - 14kHour 2 - 27k (+13k -1k)Hour 3 - 36k (+9k -4k)Hour 4 - 44k (+8k -1k)Hour 5 - 52k (+8k =)Hour 6 - 59.4k (+7.4k -0.6k)Hour 7 - 66.2k (+6.8k - 0.6k)Hour 8 - 73k (+6.8k =)Hour 9 - 79.5k (+6.5k -0.3k)Hour 10 - 85.2k (+5.7k -0.8k)Hour 11 - 90.3k (+5.1k -0.6k) 1 Asmodean <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nopenope Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 They better pray it makes 250k. Anything less than that won't be sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veiva Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Still don't get why everyone seems to assume we all want 2007 servers for the community and nostalgia... majority of the people i talk to (as well as myself) want it for a fresh start where you actually can compete, a non-microtransaction game, a more challenging game, etc. Tbh I hated the community even in 2007 lol. For me, the only reason I carried on with RuneScape was because of the community (at least, when it came down to it, the small ones I was a part of). When that slowly died come free trade removal, there was no point. Now the only thing that keeps me going is the gameplay... which 2007scape lacks. Thus, I'm not voting, because I would not play it and do not want to give Jagex a false impression that there's one more person interested than there should be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammako Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 People keep mentioning that they don't want this to be successful, fearing that it may take away from development time for the current RS.... Why? Why would the wants of those who prefer EoC be more important than the wants of those who prefer the 2007 version of the game? Because we're a majority, and they're not. Furthermore, the whole thing is just ill-conceived. It will not last, namely because most of the people here are in Disney-land where they've convinced themselves that if only we could have 2007 back, it'd just be so wonderful, that community and all that. But it won't. It's delusional thinking. When they're faced with how 2007 actually was, most of them will abandon it. Also, this project undermines all the progress that RS had made over the past 6 years.Not saying that will definitely be the case, but let's go on the premise that the servers would succeed and would have about the same amount of players than current RS.What would you guys say then? (And if the 2007 community is smaller, it's a matter of allocating much more resources to the current-scape community than to the 2007 community, unless there's some variables I'm missing.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thus Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 People keep mentioning that they don't want this to be successful, fearing that it may take away from development time for the current RS.... Why? Why would the wants of those who prefer EoC be more important than the wants of those who prefer the 2007 version of the game? Because we're a majority, and they're not. Furthermore, the whole thing is just ill-conceived. It will not last, namely because most of the people here are in Disney-land where they've convinced themselves that if only we could have 2007 back, it'd just be so wonderful, that community and all that. But it won't. It's delusional thinking. When they're faced with how 2007 actually was, most of them will abandon it. Also, this project undermines all the progress that RS had made over the past 6 years.Not saying that will definitely be the case, but let's go on the premise that the servers would succeed and would have about the same amount of players than current RS.What would you guys say then?Let's go on the premise that everyone working for Jagex dies tomorrow. What would you guys say to then? /sarcasmStop doing what ifs or whatever. We are basing these predictions that 2007scape won't work because we are using the current RS as a model. Also we played in 2007, we know it was bad back then too. Eventually, sooner or later, the 2007 servers will be the same bs community as today's servers. The optimism is great and all, but we already know the outcome to tell you it won't end well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoko Kurama Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I'd just reiterate what Thus has said. It's a completely irrelevant question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammako Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I just don't understand why we should completely ignore the minority just because they're the minority. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaida23 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 No one is suggesting that. But neither should we cater to them just because they're more vocal than everyone else. 1 Check out my blog to read the Adventures of a Big Damn (F2P) Hero. THE place for all free players to connect, hang out and talk about how awesome it is to be F2P. So, Kaida is the real version of every fictional science-badass? That explains a lot, actually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoko Kurama Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I just don't understand why we should completely ignore the minority just because they're the minority. Utilitarianism, or mob rule. Take your pick, whatever fits. 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcley Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 People keep mentioning that they don't want this to be successful, fearing that it may take away from development time for the current RS.... Why? Why would the wants of those who prefer EoC be more important than the wants of those who prefer the 2007 version of the game? Because we're a majority, and they're not. Furthermore, the whole thing is just ill-conceived. It will not last, namely because most of the people here are in Disney-land where they've convinced themselves that if only we could have 2007 back, it'd just be so wonderful, that community and all that. But it won't. It's delusional thinking. When they're faced with how 2007 actually was, most of them will abandon it. Also, this project undermines all the progress that RS had made over the past 6 years."We?" A vocal minority that pretends they know better than players who have given perfectly valid reasons for preferring old servers. You don't have to agree, just grow up and don't think this suddenly ruins "your" game (oh god how childish that even sounds). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliable Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 No one is suggesting that. But neither should we cater to them just because they're more vocal than everyone else. "The Squeaky Wheel Gets The Grease" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thus Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I just don't understand why we should completely ignore the minority just because they're the minority.Because if the minority got their way, we would still be playing like we were in 2003. You look forward to future possibilities, not the past at an era that looks good when things get tough. We have been doing this for years now, and for years people cried for old Runescape back, be it RSC or 2004 or 2006 or whatever. Fun fact: The city of Volgograd, Russia, was voted to be renamed back to its former name: Stalingrad. Stalin, a man who killed more people than even Hitler over the course of decades. To compromise, it is now called Stalingrad for a few days every year. What do you think fueled people to vote for remembrance of an era that was far worse than today? Nostalgia. And how many of those people who petitioned were not even alive during that time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoko Kurama Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 "We?" A vocal minority that pretends they know better than players who have given perfectly valid reasons for preferring old servers. You don't have to agree, just grow up and don't think this suddenly ruins "your" game (oh god how childish that even sounds). We have already given various reasons as to why we feel the way we do, and as to why we think this will negatively impact us. If you aren't going to bother reading, then don't participate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estoc Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 "We?" A vocal minority that pretends they know better than players who have given perfectly valid reasons for preferring old servers. You don't have to agree, just grow up and don't think this suddenly ruins "your" game (oh god how childish that even sounds). Nobody is saying that you can't prefer the old servers, they are saying that they won't vote to allocate funding to their creation. I just don't understand why we should completely ignore the minority just because they're the minority. Jagex gave them the chance to show their support for an update they want, something I was sure would not happen. Far from ignoring them, they are giving this minority the recognition it has fought months for. From the empty days of hope, deny the darknessFollow my voice, we'll run far away from hereIf only to hide, to escape this lifeAnd live forever, forever in the sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknofield Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 People keep mentioning that they don't want this to be successful, fearing that it may take away from development time for the current RS.... Why? Why would the wants of those who prefer EoC be more important than the wants of those who prefer the 2007 version of the game? Because we're a majority, and they're not. Furthermore, the whole thing is just ill-conceived. It will not last, namely because most of the people here are in Disney-land where they've convinced themselves that if only we could have 2007 back, it'd just be so wonderful, that community and all that. But it won't. It's delusional thinking. When they're faced with how 2007 actually was, most of them will abandon it. Also, this project undermines all the progress that RS had made over the past 6 years. LOL!!! You EoC nut huggers are a majority? We're almost at 100k and were still in the 12th hour. 12 more hours @ at least 3k votes will get us to 136k in one day. By Monday we should be closing in on 250k and within 2 weeks we should have at least 500k. Once we do get to 500k votes that's 75% of the current subscribers. 75% is greater than 25% right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammako Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 ^ I do not think we should resort to name calling. And I don't think the 2007-ers are the majority, for reasons that I will explain in ~30 minutes by editing this post again as I am running out of time right now. No one is suggesting that. But neither should we cater to them just because they're more vocal than everyone else.I just don't understand why we should completely ignore the minority just because they're the minority.Because if the minority got their way, we would still be playing like we were in 2003. You look forward to future possibilities, not the past at an era that looks good when things get tough. We have been doing this for years now, and for years people cried for old Runescape back, be it RSC or 2004 or 2006 or whatever. Fun fact: The city of Volgograd, Russia, was voted to be renamed back to its original name: Stalingrad. Stalin, a man who killed more people than even Hitler over the course of decades. To compromise, it is now called Stalingrad for a few days every year. What do you think fueled people to vote for remembrance of an era that was far worse than today? Nostalgia. And how many of those people who voted were not even alive during that time? I'm not saying give everything to the minority (Far from it.)I'm saying that we should, at the very least, be willing to give a little bit of what we can get for the little bit that prefer playing the older version of the game.(Not telling everyone to go and vote even if they don't want/care about a 2007 server, though. That would just be dumb (Though Jagex seems to want us to encourage others to vote.)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thus Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 No one is suggesting that. But neither should we cater to them just because they're more vocal than everyone else.I just don't understand why we should completely ignore the minority just because they're the minority.Because if the minority got their way, we would still be playing like we were in 2003. You look forward to future possibilities, not the past at an era that looks good when things get tough. We have been doing this for years now, and for years people cried for old Runescape back, be it RSC or 2004 or 2006 or whatever. Fun fact: The city of Volgograd, Russia, was voted to be renamed back to its original name: Stalingrad. Stalin, a man who killed more people than even Hitler over the course of decades. To compromise, it is now called Stalingrad for a few days every year. What do you think fueled people to vote for remembrance of an era that was far worse than today? Nostalgia. And how many of those people who voted were not even alive during that time? I'm not saying give everything to the minority (Far from it.)I'm saying that we should, at the very least, be willing to give a little bit of what we can get for the little bit that prefer playing the older version of the game.(Not telling everyone to go and vote even if they don't want/care about a 2007 server, though. That would just be dumb (Though Jagex seems to want us to encourage others to vote.)) It would be great if it was giving a little bit. But It isn't. Time and money will be allocated to these servers. Jagex will have to listen to the needs of the people on these servers, instead of simply focusing on the needs of the current game. The community itself will be split like it was with the RSC/RS2 split nearly a decade ago, but I fear on a larger scale. This affects us on the long term. People are not ready for this endeavor of creating a new server. People will be up to it, but so many will ragequit or see it as pointless to have to do everything on their own, self sufficient, without any of the help of newer updates. Finally, 2007 servers will eventually grow to be just like they were back in 2007, with a complaining community and people wishing for more change. All through this thread, people were talking about being the first to get a whip or 91 rc or whatever. They don't know what it means for that to be accomplished from scratch, with no help. And good luck selling your double nats or whip. I don't know how many times these points have been brought up in thread, but please god I wish some people would read them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcley Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 We have already given various reasons as to why we feel the way we do, and as to why we think this will negatively impact us. If you aren't going to bother reading, then don't participate.It's not me who has to practice reading comprehension.If this idea gathers sufficient support, then we will not need to take our current talent away from all of the exciting updates to be implemented into the current version of the game, as we will be able to hire a new dedicated team to work specifically on this project.I do think this part is pretty clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayc3399 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 People keep mentioning that they don't want this to be successful, fearing that it may take away from development time for the current RS.... Why? Why would the wants of those who prefer EoC be more important than the wants of those who prefer the 2007 version of the game? Because we're a majority, and they're not. Furthermore, the whole thing is just ill-conceived. It will not last, namely because most of the people here are in Disney-land where they've convinced themselves that if only we could have 2007 back, it'd just be so wonderful, that community and all that. But it won't. It's delusional thinking. When they're faced with how 2007 actually was, most of them will abandon it. Also, this project undermines all the progress that RS had made over the past 6 years. LOL!!! You EoC nut huggers are a majority? We're almost at 100k and were still in the 12th hour. 12 more hours @ at least 3k votes will get us to 136k in one day. By Monday we should be closing in on 250k and within 2 weeks we should half at least 500k. Once we do get to 500k votes that's 75% of the current subscribers. 75% is greater than 25% right?Nut huggers we may be but the fact that you still assume the majority of people won't have voted in the first 24 hours is laughable. Grandiose delusions aside. I still haven't voted and I'll likely wait till the very end, but if it gets close to the 250k mark I'll likely vote. More members is more members, no matter what game they play. Quest Cape Achieved on November 14, 2007Items AcquiredCrystal Pick and HatchetBerzerker Ring x 33/28 Barrows Items Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknofield Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 In my honest opinion. I've been studying it for awhile, and it's literally 1sec/vote. If i'm correct, we will have 750k votes in 8-10 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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