2007 - Old School RuneScape... You Vote! - [It's Here!]

[Bubs]

Clearly they don't, because the players know more about Jagex then Jagex do, right?

 

EDIT: :rolleyes: is more fitting

[DeSani]

Looks like unless Jagex had another bullet in the chamber, the vote is going to fall well short of even the 470-480 "round up to 500k" number that MMG wants.

 

Math:

 

Date -- Time -- Votes -- Change

 

22nd -- 17:13 -- 275343 -- +0 (approximate launch of 07scape)

23rd -- 17:10 -- 329179 -- +53,836

24th -- 17:00 -- 362507 -- +33,328 (-38%)

25th -- 16:50 -- 389498 -- +26,991 (-19%)

26th -- 16:50 -- 410224 -- +20,726 (-23.2%)

 

Projecting out the next 2 days and change, at an estimated 20% decay in votes per day would yield somewhere around 35k additional votes, or 445k total. Jagex is going to have to make a major stretch to make this look like 500k.

 

Or else they just throw up their hands and give it away free anyhow. It's their game.

 

I think people were projecting the votes the wrong way. Instead of projecting the votes to decay, I actually expect the votes to increase before the deadline. You would have last minute ushers subscribing and voting right? People would be rushing around and making sure their old friends come back and vote...

 

I expect the votes % to stay steady if not increase. Anywho, more than likely we probably would need a boost from Jagex.

Dang, I was browsing the previous pages and some guy was projecting 204k votes lol.

[Bubs]

The votes would've been around 200k if Jagex didn't interfere I'd imagine

[Melo]

To be fair, with the way votes were slowing down early, 204k wasn't a bad projection. Jagex just showed they still know a thing or two about marketing.

[DeSani]

The votes would've been around 200k if Jagex didn't interfere I'd imagine

 

If i'm not mistaken, the old thing Jagex did to interfere, was increase the awareness of the 2007scape poll and release the game early?

[FrankerZ]

The votes would've been around 200k if Jagex didn't interfere I'd imagine

 

If i'm not mistaken, the old thing Jagex did to interfere, was increase the awareness of the 2007scape poll and release the game early?

 

Yes. Release it 1-2 months early and hype it with the "vote now 4 phr33 1 month!"

[Bubs]

Releasing the game early for people who voted is where a ton of the votes came from, along with the login message I believe yeah.

 

There are also conspiracy theorists who will tell you they have been injecting fake votes in to the count the entire time

[Sy_Accursed]

The votes would've been around 200k if Jagex didn't interfere I'd imagine

 

If i'm not mistaken, the old thing Jagex did to interfere, was increase the awareness of the 2007scape poll and release the game early?

 

Yes, but those are both very obvious PR stunts they pulled out of the bag when votes started to flat-line.

 

You can see it quite clearly on misplaced graph, right where the curve levelled off to near flat they suddenly spammed twitter and fb and moved the vote to the front page with an instan vote button producing a nice bump. Then as it started to flatline again they suddenly pulled out early access servers to create another bump.

 

Certainly they are not doing anything wrong to play the pr game, but it says a lot when they have to take such dramatic steps, both at points when the voting was flat-lining to bump things along.

 

Not to mention dragging most of the 750k+ tier down to 500k+

[Melo]

Why does it say a lot? Raising awareness via clever marketing is an age-old strategy, used by every successful company in the book. Clearly, the demand for the game is there, and Jagex spread the word.

[chenw]

There are bits about RS2007 I miss too but... I also miss staying up every Christmas for Santa Claus.

 

Right, But I am not one of those EoCscape supporters (in fact I have many problems against it), but I will not be playing the old RS, because, frankly, the very thing that made the game fun is gone, and will never ever come back, no matter what Jagex does.

Out of curiosity, what "thing" are you talking about specifically?

 

Let's put it this way, there is something present in the year 2007 that is not present in 2013, and it is not the version of Runescape.

 

I am starting to believe that when people want the old times back, they don't actually want the game itself, but they want the thing that made the game fun back in 2007, which isn't there anymore in 2013.

 

Think hard, it's quite obvious what I am talking about.

I'd say if I had to think hard, then it's not obvious.

But my guess is that no matter what Jagex does the community won't be back.

Even though the community isn't back as it was, and it won't be - it's still interesting to see the community which is appearing now. I think the fact that we need more player interactions for trading, and stuff like creating rune running communities etc. will improve the community, at least to some extent.

 

Given the direction of online gaming community, I have resigned myself that the 2000's are a thing of the past, and wanting to have it back is nothing but a delusion.

[Nabbagad]

The votes would've been around 200k if Jagex didn't interfere I'd imagine

 

If i'm not mistaken, the old thing Jagex did to interfere, was increase the awareness of the 2007scape poll and release the game early?

 

Yes, but those are both very obvious PR stunts they pulled out of the bag when votes started to flat-line.

 

You can see it quite clearly on misplaced graph, right where the curve levelled off to near flat they suddenly spammed twitter and fb and moved the vote to the front page with an instan vote button producing a nice bump. Then as it started to flatline again they suddenly pulled out early access servers to create another bump.

 

Certainly they are not doing anything wrong to play the pr game, but it says a lot when they have to take such dramatic steps, both at points when the voting was flat-lining to bump things along.

 

Not to mention dragging most of the 750k+ tier down to 500k+

At the end of the day, the people who aren't going to vote aren't going to vote, these "dramatic" steps of marketing only help to spread the word and get a more true interest in the servers.

 

If Jagex didn't market it as much as they could they would be stupid. I see you acknowledged there's nothing wrong with it, but you seem to speak of it in negative tone like it is a problem.

[aerendil]

Ok, I have another question about oldschool rs... more often than not when I load it, it sits there for about 10 minutes then somes up with a little line of text: Plugin Failure

 

How can I fix this? I have the most recent version of Java.

[Sy_Accursed]

The votes would've been around 200k if Jagex didn't interfere I'd imagine

 

If i'm not mistaken, the old thing Jagex did to interfere, was increase the awareness of the 2007scape poll and release the game early?

 

Yes, but those are both very obvious PR stunts they pulled out of the bag when votes started to flat-line.

 

You can see it quite clearly on misplaced graph, right where the curve levelled off to near flat they suddenly spammed twitter and fb and moved the vote to the front page with an instan vote button producing a nice bump. Then as it started to flatline again they suddenly pulled out early access servers to create another bump.

 

Certainly they are not doing anything wrong to play the pr game, but it says a lot when they have to take such dramatic steps, both at points when the voting was flat-lining to bump things along.

 

Not to mention dragging most of the 750k+ tier down to 500k+

At the end of the day, the people who aren't going to vote aren't going to vote, these "dramatic" steps of marketing only help to spread the word and get a more true interest in the servers.

 

If Jagex didn't market it as much as they could they would be stupid. I see you acknowledged there's nothing wrong with it, but you seem to speak of it in negative tone like it is a problem.

 

My only issue with it is the fact they did not make a consistent effort, instead they pulled out gimmick pr stunts each time the vote flat-lined whilst also toying with the vote tiers. It's one thing to promote a vote, it's another to have it there for a few days then suddenly when its doing poorly spam it all over ur social media outlets and promote it to the front page with in-game ads. Then again when it starts failing to suddenly get the dev team spending insane hours getting the servers up for early access.

 

Just it's one thing to advertise such a poll, its another to pull out sudden pr stunts when it is noticeably performing poorly, especially in light of the tier alterations and delay to TWW caused by it.

[Ponyless]

The votes would've been around 200k if Jagex didn't interfere I'd imagine

 

If i'm not mistaken, the old thing Jagex did to interfere, was increase the awareness of the 2007scape poll and release the game early?

 

Yes, but those are both very obvious PR stunts they pulled out of the bag when votes started to flat-line.

 

You can see it quite clearly on misplaced graph, right where the curve levelled off to near flat they suddenly spammed twitter and fb and moved the vote to the front page with an instan vote button producing a nice bump. Then as it started to flatline again they suddenly pulled out early access servers to create another bump.

 

Certainly they are not doing anything wrong to play the pr game, but it says a lot when they have to take such dramatic steps, both at points when the voting was flat-lining to bump things along.

 

Not to mention dragging most of the 750k+ tier down to 500k+

At the end of the day, the people who aren't going to vote aren't going to vote, these "dramatic" steps of marketing only help to spread the word and get a more true interest in the servers.

 

If Jagex didn't market it as much as they could they would be stupid. I see you acknowledged there's nothing wrong with it, but you seem to speak of it in negative tone like it is a problem.

 

For me personally, i know a couple of people that weren't gonna vote for the servers and ended up voting after jagex bribed them into playing by offering first month free. This goes far beyong just "marketing", it was a full on bribe, vote yes for this and get immediate access to the server with no payment cost. Majority of my friend list (again personal experience) voted yes for it just to see what it was like and then immediately went back to the live game or other games they were playing.

[Ammako]

On the other hand, there has also been players who have bribed others into voting with stuff such as "If the vote reaches 500k and it becomes free to access with regular membership, I will give away this christmas cracker!"

[Nabbagad]

The votes would've been around 200k if Jagex didn't interfere I'd imagine

 

If i'm not mistaken, the old thing Jagex did to interfere, was increase the awareness of the 2007scape poll and release the game early?

 

Yes, but those are both very obvious PR stunts they pulled out of the bag when votes started to flat-line.

 

You can see it quite clearly on misplaced graph, right where the curve levelled off to near flat they suddenly spammed twitter and fb and moved the vote to the front page with an instan vote button producing a nice bump. Then as it started to flatline again they suddenly pulled out early access servers to create another bump.

 

Certainly they are not doing anything wrong to play the pr game, but it says a lot when they have to take such dramatic steps, both at points when the voting was flat-lining to bump things along.

 

Not to mention dragging most of the 750k+ tier down to 500k+

At the end of the day, the people who aren't going to vote aren't going to vote, these "dramatic" steps of marketing only help to spread the word and get a more true interest in the servers.

 

If Jagex didn't market it as much as they could they would be stupid. I see you acknowledged there's nothing wrong with it, but you seem to speak of it in negative tone like it is a problem.

 

For me personally, i know a couple of people that weren't gonna vote for the servers and ended up voting after jagex bribed them into playing by offering first month free. This goes far beyong just "marketing", it was a full on bribe, vote yes for this and get immediate access to the server with no payment cost. Majority of my friend list (again personal experience) voted yes for it just to see what it was like and then immediately went back to the live game or other games they were playing.

Yeah that's true, and some of those people might end up enjoying it and playing it when they originally weren't going to vote.

 

But my point still stands, that those who aren't going to vote, won't. Maybe those people didn't intend on voting but they did.

[Coconut Bodywash]

The votes would've been around 200k if Jagex didn't interfere I'd imagine

 

If i'm not mistaken, the old thing Jagex did to interfere, was increase the awareness of the 2007scape poll and release the game early?

 

Yes. Release it 1-2 months early and hype it with the "vote now 4 phr33 1 month!"

Thinking jagex didn't originally plan for this to get 500k votes no matter what... Kappa

[Barney.S]

Even I finally voted just to try out oldschool servers. And try out I did, spent about 1 minute on tutorial island, found out that I can't even use my scroll button to turn the screen like I do in RS now. Then I just said [bleep] it, I like EOC better anyway. I think I only got past the very first door on Tutorial island. SO that was a clever bribe by Jagex indeed. I hope everyone who wanted their 2007Scape back got what they were asking for I am glad for them.

[Patr1ck]

Even I finally voted just to try out oldschool servers. And try out I did, spent about 1 minute on tutorial island, found out that I can't even use my scroll button to turn the screen like I do in RS now. Then I just said [bleep] it, I like EOC better anyway. I think I only got past the very first door on Tutorial island. SO that was a clever bribe by Jagex indeed. I hope everyone who wanted their 2007Scape back got what they were asking for I am glad for them.

 

That was certainly an incredible amount of effort you put in there.

[DeSani]

Even I finally voted just to try out oldschool servers. And try out I did, spent about 1 minute on tutorial island, found out that I can't even use my scroll button to turn the screen like I do in RS now. Then I just said [bleep] it, I like EOC better anyway. I think I only got past the very first door on Tutorial island. SO that was a clever bribe by Jagex indeed. I hope everyone who wanted their 2007Scape back got what they were asking for I am glad for them.

 

That was certainly an incredible amount of effort you put in there.

 

Bro, how's he supposed to play RS without using the scroll-button?

[Yoko Kurama]

Actually the scroll thingy is just indicative of all sorts of outdated interface mechanisms in RS2007. For people who are accustomed to 2013 (which most of us are) that can be a big hurdle. From having to go to tools for 'run', not being able to press tab for replying to PM's, and a whole host of other things, it's certainly annoying. When the whole premise of the game is to spend countless hours grinding, that can make a big difference. I don't support a separate development team, but that's one thing Jagex should have done: streamline and modernize the interface.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Even I finally voted just to try out oldschool servers. And try out I did, spent about 1 minute on tutorial island, found out that I can't even use my scroll button to turn the screen like I do in RS now. Then I just said [bleep] it, I like EOC better anyway. I think I only got past the very first door on Tutorial island. SO that was a clever bribe by Jagex indeed. I hope everyone who wanted their 2007Scape back got what they were asking for I am glad for them.

 

That was certainly an incredible amount of effort you put in there.

This is a game, something you do for recreation; it's not an occupation. Why would you continue to invest into something you know would give you less enjoyment than something else requiring the same amount of effort?

[Donnie]

Actually the scroll thingy is just indicative of all sorts of outdated interface mechanisms in RS2007. For people who are accustomed to 2013 (which most of us are) that can be a big hurdle. From having to go to tools for 'run', not being able to press tab for replying to PM's, and a whole host of other things, it's certainly annoying. When the whole premise of the game is to spend countless hours grinding, that can make a big difference. I don't support a separate development team, but that's one thing Jagex should have done: streamline and modernize the interface.

 

*hiss noise*

[Barney.S]

Even I finally voted just to try out oldschool servers. And try out I did, spent about 1 minute on tutorial island, found out that I can't even use my scroll button to turn the screen like I do in RS now. Then I just said [bleep] it, I like EOC better anyway. I think I only got past the very first door on Tutorial island. SO that was a clever bribe by Jagex indeed. I hope everyone who wanted their 2007Scape back got what they were asking for I am glad for them.

 

That was certainly an incredible amount of effort you put in there.

 

Bro, how's he supposed to play RS without using the scroll-button?

Hehe, while I do appreciate the attempt to start a good internet battle, I will respectfully decline. :) But yes, I did put in a good deal of effort!

 

But yeah, it's just one of those things for me. I have gotten so accustomed to using only my mouse to rotate the screen and navigate that it makes me cringe when I should use arrow keys again to rotate the screen. At this moment I just use my right hand to play RS, while my left hand is free to do whatever I choose, drink coffe, pick my nose, scratch my balls, play with the remote - whatever.

 

And as Ginger Warrior pointed out, I play this game for enjoyment and I find EOC to be more of an enjoyment, but that's me personally, if you like 2007 - more power to you and I do rejoice with you. Just because I have a different opinion from you, does not make me a bad person. :)

[Nabbagad]

Little things like scroll button for map and tab to reply are likely to make its way into the game, as countless people have asked in the rsof, and considering there is a small development team, and since these features aren't content that will ruin the old school vibe then I don't see why Jagex wouldn't consider them.

 

Anyway, if you find EoC a lot more enjoyable then that's great, you should play what you enjoy more :)