Not impressed by PS4

[Lep]

It's just better graphics and has more advanced sharing abilities (which I don't care about). That's pretty much it. Playing all games on the Vita is a nice touch, at least.

 

My problem with consoles and with the new PS4 is that they all completely ignore PC games. I want my console to do... everything. Better graphics, sharing videos and playing with friends easier isn't exactly innovative.

 

Innovative would be letting me throw out my over 9000 wires, speakers, router, d-link, 2 power bars, PS3 and do all of my gaming on 1 sexy looking piece of hardware with a couple of cords. Don't know about you guys, but I'll wait to see what Valve has in store with its Steam Box.

[Alg]

I could be way off base here, but wouldn't it be more innovative to make consoles that aren't watered-down PCs? :razz:

[Tim]

For now I'm just sticking to PS3 to see where this is going, because unless the PS4 is PS2 AND PS3 game compatible (or Kingdom Hearts 3 comes out ONLY on it) I'll be sticking to my PS3.

[decebal]

Sony advertised the PS3 as a "do-everything" kind of console. That didn't make it that popular, putting price into account.

[RpgGamer]

$430 USD on release. Bah Humbug.

also this:

http://kotaku.com/5985811/diablo-iii-fans-are-not-reacting-well-to-the-games-ps4-announcement?tag=playstation-4

 

 

I'm not too stoked for the PS4. I'll look into it as the price drops, but I'm more excited about the Ouya.

[Tim]

$430 USD on release. Bah Humbug.

also this:

http://kotaku.com/59...g=playstation-4

 

 

I'm not too stoked for the PS4. I'll look into it as the price drops, but I'm more excited about the Ouya.

Price tags here are $899 for pre-order. The [bleep]ing thing was only shown today and Australia's already inflating the shit out of the price!

 

EDIT: why TIF, please get rid of the image block crap... it's only a hindrance.

[nine naked men]

^I hear that, the 3 seconds it takes me to save an image and upload it to imgur could've been spent much better carefully crafting my posting on the Tip.it forums

 

$430 USD on release. Bah Humbug.

also this:

http://kotaku.com/59...g=playstation-4

 

 

I'm not too stoked for the PS4. I'll look into it as the price drops, but I'm more excited about the Ouya.

I want to say something but it'd be like stomping on a puppy someone just adopted.

[Randox]

The being wattered down PC's makes for an interesting topic.

 

On the one hand, these are standalone systems, and not needing to worry about compatibility and capability of different setups gives you a lot of freedom to do some things that PC's might not like, or many PC's would need more power to do. They already do this of course, but I expect there is a lot more room to get more creative when your not dealing with a modular system. But the more different the consoles become from each other, and the PC, the harder it is to develop a cross platform game, and some of the developers have already failed quite spectacularly, such as Bethesda and Rockstar.

 

Anyway, I cant say I see enough information to make any kind of judgement about the PS3. So far I've learned the controller has a touch pad, the vita can be a controller, and it plays pretty cut scenes. And I don't mean that in a condescending way, I just mean Sony hasn't really shown off the system at all, just talked about it's power and games, so no one knows how it runs yet.

 

EDIT: Did find the specs. That actually looks pretty decent (as in, modern gaming rig descent), and a massive step up from the PS3.

[muggiwhplar]

[stevepole]

People can make the argument that they can build a better PC gaming machine then a console, but is that argument even relevant any more? I don't believe it is.

[chenw]

People can make the argument that they can build a better PC gaming machine then a console, but is that argument even relevant any more? I don't believe it is.

 

Most console games do not have a PC version, so I wouldn't call it relevant either way.

 

I haven't got a single piece of console since SNES days, and the region locks they put into place for most modern day console pretty much prevents me from ever seriously considering to buy one. I live in Taiwan, but I only ever play games in English whereever possible (I am not used to reading chinese, despite being born a Taiwanese, and I despise the Chinese voice dubbers), which, thanks to all of the region locks, I do not have proper access to. So my only gaming platform is PC. Not much of a loss because the genres I play are mostly available on the PC only (ever tried playing RTS on a console? I'd rather shoot myself than trying to do it again)

[Alg]

People can make the argument that they can build a better PC gaming machine then a console, but is that argument even relevant any more? I don't believe it is.

Nobody's made that argument yet. If it was at me, I was saying that I'd prefer not having to make the comparison at all (Though I admit that Randox is right, and that it's simply not possible when most major games are going to end up on every platform).

[stevepole]

Maybe I was a little quick on my response, but I felt the conversation was headed that direction, as these things always do.. but for devices that are updated once every 8 years, it's hard for me to be disappointed when there really isn't anything out there to look to as a benchmark for how these next-gen consoles should perform.

[Nabbagad]

People can make the argument that they can build a better PC gaming machine then a console, but is that argument even relevant any more? I don't believe it is.

Of course it is. Sure at first, when the next gen consoles come it might be all fine and dandy in terms of specs, but as the years go by and the as the console hardware stays the same, then it will become relevant again. It's a cycle that was made obvious with the current gen consoles.

 

And what exactly do you mean by better? Without even looking at the specs, one might consider the freedom and the many options PCs offer is "better" than console (and I mean that for both the hardware and software side of things).

[chenw]

 

One might consider the freedom and the many options PCs offer is "better" than console (and I mean that for both the hardware and software side of things).

 

All well and true, but there are some crucial points that needs to be taken into account:

 

1. Setting up a console is absolutely trivial compared to setting up a PC properly, even if the latter is now also very easy thing to do. That allows even the most technophobic people to get started on consoles

 

2. If the game says "Designed for (insert console name here)", you can expect it to run on that console whether it you bought it yesterday or last decade, that does NOT happen with PC (especially with hardware being obsolete in very short time span nowadays). You need to know your computer's spec to determine whether it is runnable on your PC, and the standards of games after a couple of years will always go up, but never for consoles.

 

3. There is also the games availability for each platform. There is no point in getting/arguing for a PC if the game you really want to play is not available on it.

[Mercifull]

How can anyone fail to be impressed by an invisible console?! No more ugly boxes under the telly :D [/trololol]

[Randox]

I did enjoy that video. And I know it's a small thing, what the console looks like (if that's how your making your choice, perhaps it's time to go back and take a long hard look at your priorities), but not having a picture to show is kinda funny.

[Alg]

How can anyone fail to be impressed by an invisible console?! No more ugly boxes under the telly :D [/trololol]

But I like my ugly boxes under the telly! :cry:

[sees_all1]

The only thing Sony could have done to make this console worthwhile is to offer much higher resolutions than the PS3 - like a forward looking Ultra HD 4k, or somewhere above 1080p.

 

The biggest crime with the PS3 is that games run at 720p.

[Demoli]

I was really underwhelmed by it. I was not expecting much to begin with, but not only were the majority of the "games" anounced cutscenes (Capcom one being the most obvious, considering Killzone 2 earlier this gen I wouldn't doubt the beggining and end of the demo being cutscenes aswell), the game we are shown didn't look impressive at all, at best PC verisons of current Gen games. What i'm msot interested in are the streaming capabilities, It'll be interesting to see what they can come up with.

 

Thought watching the stream was not a waste. Watching the Driving club guy masturbate to a car model, inFamous guy being too serious for it's own good and the Squeenix trolling reactions (we're here to say we are working on a FF game.... at E3!!!!) were quite fun.

 

 

As for console games not coming to pc... if anything was proved this gen, is that 3rd parties will nto remain exclusives much longer. PC keeps getting mroe and more multiplat games, and usualyl the ebst version aswell.

 

I'll probably not pick PS4 up since the only Sony exclusives i enjoy are inFamous and GoW, but since Ascension won't be ps4, GoW3 was not that great imo and inFamous is not worth a console purchase, I'll probably stick to PC(multiplats)+WiiU (exclusives of course, once the price drops, not wasting 350 on that) + 3DS (that japan support and the pokeymans)

[Ginger_Warrior]

I'm surprised to see it trying to engage in some kind of graphical arms race, as they have in previous generations. Wii-U didn't exactly lay down a gauntlet to the other two next gens (it's becoming more apparent over time just how "improved" the Wii-U's graphics are to its predecessor). PCs will almost always be superior on that front. I'd have thought Nintendo's success with the Wii, as gimmicky as hardcore gamers like to believe it was, and especially the DS would prove a need to move away from the old "most powerful console wins" strategy, and focus on the console's ability to provide a gaming experience.

[Demoli]

Speaking of power race, has a "strongest system" ever won a generation? I'm pretty Sure NES, SNES, PS, PS2 and Wii were no where near the most powerfull system during their generations.

[chenw]

I'm surprised to see it trying to engage in some kind of graphical arms race, as they have in previous generations. Wii-U didn't exactly lay down a gauntlet to the other two next gens (it's becoming more apparent over time just how "improved" the Wii-U's graphics are to its predecessor). PCs will almost always be superior on that front. I'd have thought Nintendo's success with the Wii, as gimmicky as hardcore gamers like to believe it was, and especially the DS would prove a need to move away from the old "most powerful console wins" strategy, and focus on the console's ability to provide a gaming experience.

 

An up to date console is several hundred dollars at best, usually around 200-300

 

An up to date PC is at least several times worth that.

 

A new console is update for as long as that console is in circulation, which is a good 5 years at least if you buy it during release.

 

A new PC is only up to date for several years, definitely nowhere near the lifespan of a completely new console.

 

The only kinds of people who cannot setup a brand new console properly is probably one who cannot read (and even then he can get by with just hitting things randomly)

 

The only kinds of people who can setup a PC properly (be it self made or bought the whole thing) are ones who have actual experience in doing so.

 

The amount of games available only on Console is more numerous (at least more apparently numerous) than PC

 

The stereotype of PC gamers has not yet been dissappated.

 

PC systems are prone to slow-downs and failure if not maintained properly, console systems do not tend suffer from that problem.

 

 

With the above arguments of mine, while PC can be powerful graphically, it is still extremely hard for PC to compete properly against other consoles because of practically everything else that make consoles stand out.

 

(Note, these are from a die-hard fan of PC gaming)

[Demoli]

A thing yu have to get in midn is that you don't need to outright buy a new Pc everytime you want to upgrade, you can upgrade by parts, saving you a LOT of money and giving you the best cost efficiency. Creating a Pc that can run Multiplat games at PS3/360 levels cost barely above the cost of these (the good bundles, not the oens without HDD or a small one, like arcade 360 and 32gigs ps3). reddit/r/buildapc is especialyl good at helpng you with these cases.

 

Not to mentionw with stuff liekt he Steam sales, you will save quite a bit of cash you'd otherwise spend buynig them on a console, hell, a new release on steam and on conoles in portugal has 20 euros in difference (50 steam vs 70 consoles)

[chenw]

Yes, but getting a PC that can run the latest releases on the same performance as consoles isn't exactly cheap initial capital, and neither is getting upgrades for the PC.

 

And there is also the expertise in question, you either would have to learn how to do it (and I am sure a lot of people won't go to that length to just play a game), or pay someone else to do it for you, adding even more cost.

 

Did I mention the OS cost?

 

Last, but not the least, the software cost differences between PC and Console pretty much come to 0 if you trade your used games back to the shop (you can never trade back steam games for example, while you do own the game for as long as steam is in business).

 

Consoles are just one big convenience package that the only serious question you ever have to ask yourself is which platform would you prefer, then everything else is done for you without needing any further professional assistance. You have to do your homework for PCs, no matter how little, which an entry level casual gamer would not be very attracted by. They'd probably just want fun straight out of the box.