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Should trading EOCscape gp for 07scape GP be bannable?

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We currently have the horrific system of allowing trading between games, this has created a variety of problems.

 

- All top buyables ranks are just people swapping phats for 07scape cash.

- RWT is basicly unbannable now in both games, you can just claim you are swapping for otherscape GP and be fine.

- It is just as bad for the game as RWTing is, noobs get the best gear via basicly cheating.

 

 

I cannot see any positive sides to allowing cross game trading.

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I'd think the only problem is that it would be a nightmare to enforce.

 

Jagex heavily tracks data, which is how they can (claim to) track gold as it funnels through several mule accounts and eventually to the seller and then the buyer. I'm sure they could set up an algorithm to send up a flag when player A trades player B a heavy amount of stuff in one game and then Player B does the same in the other. Then again, Jagex has always been kinda soft on trust trades.


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I'd think the only problem is that it would be a nightmare to enforce.

It doesn't have to be enforced heavily to stop the worst of the problem, just making it technically bannable will put off a lot of people, and will stop the top highscore spots going to them.

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If it's anything like the rule against macroing/RWT, it probably won't do anything about the problem. I had quite a few high level friends that were very open about their botting/RWTing before Jagex started their crusade against it, mostly because they knew that they wouldn't be banned unless they were stupid about it.

 

Jagex heavily tracks data, which is how they can (claim to) track gold as it funnels through several mule accounts and eventually to the seller and then the buyer. I'm sure they could set up an algorithm to send up a flag when player A trades player B a heavy amount of stuff in one game and then Player B does the same in the other. Then again, Jagex has always been kinda soft on trust trades.

I'm wondering about how that would work for legitimate players though. Say, Friend A returns from a three year hiatus, starts a 2007 account, and is given a healthy amount of items by Friend B who's already established on the server. A while later, Friend A logs back into his 2013Scape account and gifts Friend B with a lot of his old items, because A doesn't like EoC and he's going to stick to 2007 exclusively.

 

Granted, that sort of thing is probably as rare as legitimate examples of "I didn't RWT, I gave him a gift of 20B ingame GP and, by coincidence, he gave me an amount of real would money that's very close to how much I would get if I sold it to gold sellers (Which I didn't)". We'll see how it goes.

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I guess it couldve been one of the things they looked into if they got 500k or 750k votes. I guess it would take quite a bit of money/ effort to enforce, which is probably why it isnt going to happen.


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To put it simply, yes I think so.


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It should be against the rules

 

I consider the two games as being 2 different accounts, and one of Jagex's rules is your accounts should not interact in any way.


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The thing is it's always been around but in other games. This is effectively two different games. I've known people who have quit and picked up WoW but traded their rs gold for WoW gold with people. Yeah that's probably against the rules but is still the same concept. Hard to police and has always happened through RuneScape, just with different games.

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I am only posting this as he is my friend, and I'll defend him. Paulrat3 (paulrat07) has not bought any 2007 gp with eoc gp for his #1 craft rank. I cannot speak for other top buyables, but to assume everyone top ranked bought gp is naive. It is very easy to make gp in 2007 servers, especially with high skills.


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Granted, that sort of thing is probably as rare as legitimate examples of "I didn't RWT, I gave him a gift of 20B ingame GP and, by coincidence, he gave me an amount of real would money that's very close to how much I would get if I sold it to gold sellers (Which I didn't)". We'll see how it goes.

 

That is rare, and about as believable as "No, officer, I wasn't selling that man drugs. We're good friends so I gave him cocaine as a gift and he gave me a hundred bucks for my birthday that he missed last month."


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Honestly I don't really care - I don't give a shit about high scores or firsts or other peoples achievements in general.

 

I just play a game and hit monsters and people and stuff. It's fun, you should try it. ;)


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Honestly I don't really care - I don't give a shit about high scores or firsts or other peoples achievements in general.

 

I just play a game and hit monsters and people and stuff. It's fun, you should try it. ;)

just because you don't care about the competitive side of the game doesn't mean no one else does.

Why even have highscores by your logic...

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Yeah I hate it, but I can completely understand that it really is too hard to enforce a rule like that.

 

And from what Artemis was saying, it also sucks because people who manage to be completely successful just in OSRS will look like they eoc trade.

 

All we can really do is discourage it and try to ignore it.

 

I wish Jagex didn't openly say it was acceptable, in the Q&A they should have been a bit more vague and highly discouraged it.

 

 

The thing is it's always been around but in other games. This is effectively two different games. I've known people who have quit and picked up WoW but traded their rs gold for WoW gold with people. Yeah that's probably against the rules but is still the same concept. Hard to police and has always happened through RuneScape, just with different games.

While I'm sure it did happen in the past with other games, it didn't happen anywhere near the scale of this.

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Well, personally, I see nothing wrong with it. I myself bought some 2007 gp at the start so I didnt have to scrape around to get started. The whole idea of a "fresh start" is player made, and not all players care about having a fresh start. Not all players care about seperation of servers. Some do, some don't. That does not make server to server trading evil, just because YOU do not like it. It's absolutely not rwt. You also need to be able to make gp on one of the servers, which is still runescape. It may not techically be the same game, but it's all runescape in the end.

 

I do, however, understand where people are coming from that do not like it. At the same time, I see nothing wrong with it.


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From a philosophical standpoint I'm for it. Personally, I wouldn't do it since I value my DIY'er aspect of 07 scape. Bannable? No. Too hard to track/enforce.


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Honestly if they are going to allow this they should've just restored players to what they had at server snapshot. Allowing this to happen just hurts the people who stopped playing in 07+ and have come back for ORS; which should be the target audience for jagex.

 

More importantly though, it opens the floodgates for people who rwt/dice/phish accounts to get an insurmountable lead and turn around and rwt again effictively doubling (easily) the value of their goods.


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Yes.

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Don't care as long as the exchange rate means it will take the same amount of time to make 07 gp by playing eoc as just straight playing 07. I don't want to be forced to trade eoc gold just to compete in 07.


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I'd think the only problem is that it would be a nightmare to enforce.

 

Jagex heavily tracks data, which is how they can (claim to) track gold as it funnels through several mule accounts and eventually to the seller and then the buyer. I'm sure they could set up an algorithm to send up a flag when player A trades player B a heavy amount of stuff in one game and then Player B does the same in the other. Then again, Jagex has always been kinda soft on trust trades.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAaaaaaaa.....

No.

The notion that jagex heavily tracks how gold funnels is priceless.

They really don't.

And I think we all know they don't.

 

Because if they did, RWT wouldn't be as popular as it is.

Players would think, wow i'm just going to get banned if I buy all this gold.

And realize their buying it is pointless.

 

But as many hosts as there is, we both know, between me and you, the notion that jagex watches this, is priceless.


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I'd think the only problem is that it would be a nightmare to enforce.

 

Jagex heavily tracks data, which is how they can (claim to) track gold as it funnels through several mule accounts and eventually to the seller and then the buyer. I'm sure they could set up an algorithm to send up a flag when player A trades player B a heavy amount of stuff in one game and then Player B does the same in the other. Then again, Jagex has always been kinda soft on trust trades.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAaaaaaaa.....

No.

The notion that jagex heavily tracks how gold funnels is priceless.

They really don't.

And I think we all know they don't.

 

Because if they did, RWT wouldn't be as popular as it is.

Players would think, wow i'm just going to get banned if I buy all this gold.

And realize their buying it is pointless.

 

But as many hosts as there is, we both know, between me and you, the notion that jagex watches this, is priceless.

 

Rwt deals with real life currency and so the data is out of Jagex's reach. They're not going to ban someone just for receiving a large stack of gold without data showing that he paid for it. However in game trading only involves in-game items and so would be far easier to keep track of.


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Rwt deals with real life currency and so the data is out of Jagex's reach. They're not going to ban someone just for receiving a large stack of gold without data showing that he paid for it. However in game trading only involves in-game items and so would be far easier to keep track of.

 

"far easier to keep track of"

There's only a few billion trades a day. All of which would have to be ran not once, but repeatedly through an algorithm, in order to figure out who's doing what.

 

I don't think any of you realize the sheer weight behind what you think is a relatively simplistic thing to do.

 

If you track the trade of only gold, what will happen is they'll sell using items of equivalent value.

If you run the trades through the algorithm once at the end of the day rather than repeatedly througout the day, they'll do the trades day by day.

 

It is far easier to compensate for anything jagex could possibly implement, than it is for jagex to implement something for how the traders compensate.

 

This is also why botting has always been a massive problem.

 

It isn't jagex's fault.

If jagex cracks the randomization formula for bots? It's simple to change it. But it takes months for anyone to crack such a thing.

Jagex finds something that bots do consistently without randomization? Script writers implement a minor randomization, suddenly Jagex's detection method doesn't work.

 

Lets say jagex swaps their system to a hard client with a game guard.

Scriptwriters find an exploit in the game guard, and go about their merry day.

 

Finding an exploit is a heck of a lot easier than patching an exploit.

 

 

 

In short.

Deal with it.

All of it.

 

It's the cost of playing a game online. People will always seek advantages and there is NOTHING Jagex can do about it. Nothing they try will work 100% there will always be a way around it and the way around it will always be easier than finding a way to block that path.

 

Report people you see doing the trades, and carry on about your game.

 

Don't worry about those other players with an unfair advantage, worry about you.

Because the game isn't for them, it's for YOU to have fun.

And their unfair advantage only affects how quickly they can get gear vs you.

You choose to earn it.

If earning it isn't fun when other people don't have to earn it, it probably isn't fun even when all of you have to earn it.

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i mean its nice to buy gold, with the millions from eoc buy it ruins the actual game.. the point is to start from the bottom


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It should absolutely be against the rules. It's no different than trading wow gold, tf2 items, or real cash for gold.

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