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And to be honest, even the RWT factor I don't see how people can really blame. Game morals don't help pay the bills, and if people want to take advantage of their profits in a game (which literally is NOT doing anything illegal, as the gp is still in sole possession of Jagex), then all the power to them. Tbh, if I wasn't so afraid of getting my account banned at the time, I could have made a killing, paid off some school debt etc. Instead, I lost a good majority of it to Ddosing, sucks to be me.

 

How do you sell something that you don't own.


 

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Adventure. Where in any adventures have the adventurers stopped off for a quick game of h/c x2? I didn't see them doing that in The Hobbit.

Can you tell me where is adventrue in cutting willow trees? And:

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Why do you want determine the way other players are playing, and tell them what is fun and what isn't. The best thing in open world games is freedom and banning gambling will make freedom smaller for group of players. The more thing you can do the better


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I don't accept these arguments about "the freedom to gamble" at all. As players of the game, or owners in the case of Jagex, we certainly have every right to offer input into how we think incentive structures in the game should be, i.e., how to make money, how fast, how much, etc. etc. Jagex has the right to set community standards, and as members of the community we also have the right to offer our sentiments on such matters. Banning gambling is fair game and certainly a legitimate thing if we choose to go that route.

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I don't accept these arguments about "the freedom to gamble" at all. As players of the game, or owners in the case of Jagex, we certainly have every right to offer input into how we think incentive structures in the game should be, i.e., how to make money, how fast, how much, etc. etc. Jagex has the right to set community standards, and as members of the community we also have the right to offer our sentiments on such matters. Banning gambling is fair game and certainly a legitimate thing if we choose to go that route.

 

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But the point is fair. This game is community driven, therefore if the vast majority are opposed to something, it makes sense that it would be restricted/prevented.

 

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Jagex has the right to set community standards, and as members of the community we also have the right to offer our sentiments on such matters. Banning gambling is fair game and certainly a legitimate thing if we choose to go that route.

 

 

Yes, majorrity of players and jagex can do anything with the game but I don't understand why ppl want limit oher players fun.


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The point I don't get is Jagex has the ability to stop convenient gambling right now. The just have to remove the random element of flowers and other methods people pull off near banks. Instead, they do this workaround ban on certain terms that just leads to people creating new terms like "C/H 2x". If there were not random flowers there is no gambling. Jagex needs to stop these half measures that solve nothing and infuriate everyone.

 

And yeah, you can't stop off server gambling but who cares. Jagex doesn't enforce driving rules or what other websites you visit either. Unless you bring back restricted trade and all the headaches that causes, you just have to accept people are exchanging items for their own reasons for good or ill.


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I agree entirely that ultimately as long as Free Trade exists, gambling will exist in some form or another. My personal view is that the existence of gambling is a price well worth paying in exchange for Free Trade. My point generally was that if Jagex wants to ban gambling, then they will need to take rather serious measures instead of what they have been doing so far.

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They've done this multiple times in the past with different phrases.

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I love how so many people up are so up in how "morally wrong" hosting is.

 

People need to learn from mistakes, not be hidden from reality and having to learn these mistakes later on in life when things actually matter.

 

Are you actually admitting that in your opinion hosting is "morally wrong" since you say "people need to learn from mistakes"? If hosting and gambling were good things, there's no mistake to be learned from.

 

Actually, I'm referring to people who get cleaned by gambling, they need to learn from their mistakes by knowing when to stop. I don't see how that falls under "morally wrong".

You're enabling self-destructive behaviour?

 

 

When I was 12 I played this game for hours collecting GP and wasted it all on PvP/Pking. I won some but I lost even more, that was my own responsibility. I murdered other players, still I turned out just fine. We're not your mother, does someone have to hold your hand with everything you do?

 

One should assess their runescape addiction over a gamble addiction if losing some pixels is that bad.

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What do you think is more likely?

Gambling in runescape and getting an urge to do it for real money.

Or murdering someone in runescape and getting the urge to go out and kill someone in real life?

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Is frosty X 2 muteable?

 

No serious clan has done hot/cold for months, all this'll do is stop the random guys @ the ge who are obviously scammers. Unless they make frosty/fp muteable words, nothing will change.


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What do you think is more likely?

Gambling in runescape and getting an urge to do it for real money.

Or murdering someone in runescape and getting the urge to go out and kill someone in real life?

 

I see no difference. Remains an invalid argument, I don't buy into that. Shielding people away from things that will always be there isn't a solution. Leave the option open and properly educate.


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@Krampell. I looked at the rules and don't see anywhere where it is offensive language mentioning flowers. Can you please post a picture?

 

Flooding the chat is considered offensive language, which is technically what hosts do when they do the h/c x2 styled spam. Allegedly though you claim you were banned for saying you were a rank. Maybe you'd want to check and see if you spammed your game's description before or after saying you were a rank before being certain that it was the reason for your mute.

It's actually categorized as disruptive behavior, not offensive language, if I'm not mistaken.

 

All the flame for me being a host and being upset about getting muted unfairly. I say unfairly because I did nothing that constituted a mute based on the rules set forth by Jagex. People who say "gambling ruins the game" need to get over themselves. Sorry I make more standing at the GE for an hour than you do Nexing an entire weekend. I host for the rush, because even with our host odds, we still can take billion coin hits in one bet.

 

Gambling is an outlet for people to get the high risk/high reward adrenaline rush they seek. No different than staking. Only thing with gambling is no stats are needed so people can jump right in rather than training for months to max before they can stake.

 

Also, you would be surprised at the number of "respected" people on this forum who bash gambling, yet host on alternate accounts to fund their mains. Or bash all the rwt that happens from gambling, yet sell gold themselves. I won't name names because its not my business and I'm not going to get muted on here too for breaking tip.its rules.

 

Continue to flame me and I'll just report your posts. I am entitled to my opinion, especially since I have been directly affected by this "hidden update" and this ruins my enjoyment within the game. All I find fun is PvM and gambling but I hate PvM within EoC so now I only gamble and play 2007. I WILL NOT gamble on 2007 because I'm training to become a Pro DKer again. Had to throw that in there before people assumed I was gonna gamble in 2007.

 

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And we are entitled to our opinion - namely, thinking you're a sillyhead. (We're also entitled to not listen to your opinion, just as you can ignore ours.)

 

If you look at any sort of prohibition in human history you'd realize people will always find a way around it. I view gambling as something of lower morals but it isn't inherently bad. Personally I like to wager myself sometimes, you may not condone it but it won't go away. Who are you to judge for someone having a good time?

 

I agree that gambling should be put out of player hands, however it won't go away untill there is a NPC-controlled setting with odds on the house and an additional -10% fee (or more) on player bets resulting in:

 

1. Hosts are gone from G.E. W2 making it possible to become a tradeplace again.

2. A moneysink/deflation of economy since the fee removes the money out of the game completely and even if some win big, odds are always on the house when it comes to gambling, in the end we all lose.

3. No scammers.

 

For the argument that gambling has a legal age, Jagex could easily implent a screen asking for legal age or permission of parents if you enter the gamble room.

 

Respect to all the legit hosts, Fun times! Full house! I hope Jagex hands this well.

Except that Runescape is not the real world. Runescape is a game, made of code, and is much, much, much more controlled than real life. We're not talking about eliminating gambling from the world - just from Runescape. And that's quite different, and much more manageable.

 

 

I agree that a courtesy warning would've been nice, if they're punishing for gambling/hosting period. If they're just enforcing their existing rules against spam onto a group that has previously gotten away with it, though, there's nothing wrong with that. And if they've taken a new look at the rules and decided that gambling is actually against one of the standing rules, then the same thought applies - though again, a courtesy warning wouldn't be amiss.

 

Regardless, I'm rather excited to see Jagex finally really addressing this matter, and I hope they continue to do so.

 

 

Oh, and also, I think some of you are looking at this the wrong way: Punishment for the sake of punishment is silly; it's not that you earn or deserve a mute because you've been bad. A mute prevents you from continuing to have a negative impact on the experience of others, and encourages you to change your behavior in the future. I wouldn't even call it a punishment, really. And considering that being muted doesn't have a permanent effect (as opposed to being banned), you really can just consider that to be your warning, can't you? Sure, it's an inconvenience, and I do agree that an announcement wouldn't have been amiss, but it's not like you can't keep playing normally once the mute expires in two days. No real harm done, neh?

 

(I've been playing a fair bit of League of Legends lately, and delving into the reasoning behind their own system of player support, and that's given me a new perspective on player behavior as a whole.)


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Is frosty X 2 muteable?

 

No serious clan has done hot/cold for months, all this'll do is stop the random guys @ the ge who are obviously scammers. Unless they make frosty/fp muteable words, nothing will change.

 

Actually we have been doing H/C, FP, and ABC since we opened in November. So there are serious clans that do H/C. Don't call us scammers because the "big" world 2 clans are all frosty/fp.

 

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Cbb to read the whole thread, but if you like gambling go play online poker or something else designed with the sole purpose of giving you the gamblers rush you so desire. It gives me great pleasure to see gambling being systematically removed from the game.

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Cbb to read the whole thread, but if you like gambling go play online poker or something else designed with the sole purpose of giving you the gamblers rush you so desire. It gives me great pleasure to see gambling being systematically removed from the game.

 

Americans can't play online poker. And it being systematically removed is one thing, but a hidden update to mute people with zero warning is unfair.

 

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Cbb to read the whole thread, but if you like gambling go play online poker or something else designed with the sole purpose of giving you the gamblers rush you so desire. It gives me great pleasure to see gambling being systematically removed from the game.

 

Americans can't play online poker. And it being systematically removed is one thing, but a hidden update to mute people with zero warning is unfair.

 

 

Neither is actively engaging in a loaded game for profit (re: exploiting people). The arguments and counter-arguments for what constitutes fairness or otherwise are endless.


 

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What do you think is more likely?

Gambling in runescape and getting an urge to do it for real money.

Or murdering someone in runescape and getting the urge to go out and kill someone in real life?

 

Playing Runescape has increased my desire to go out and murder people by at least 500%, but I think that's besides the point you were making.

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What do you think is more likely?

Gambling in runescape and getting an urge to do it for real money.

Or murdering someone in runescape and getting the urge to go out and kill someone in real life?

 

Playing Runescape has increased my desire to go out and murder people by at least 500%, but I think that's besides the point you were making.

500% of zero is stil zero

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Hit me last night. Complete Bs that they mute with zero evidence and without it being against any rules. I'm petitioning support from [email protected] for a free month of membership for my kids inconvenience of being muted for 48 hours for doing nothing wrong.

 

Peace,

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You deserve the mute, if it was up to me you would be banned.

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What do you think is more likely?

Gambling in runescape and getting an urge to do it for real money.

Or murdering someone in runescape and getting the urge to go out and kill someone in real life?

 

Playing Runescape has increased my desire to go out and murder people by at least 500%, but I think that's besides the point you were making.

500% of zero is stil zero

 

Are you me? Do you know as a fact that I don't have murderous tendencies before Runescape?!


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What do you think is more likely?

Gambling in runescape and getting an urge to do it for real money.

Or murdering someone in runescape and getting the urge to go out and kill someone in real life?

 

Playing Runescape has increased my desire to go out and murder people by at least 500%, but I think that's besides the point you were making.

500% of zero is stil zero

 

Are you me? Do you know as a fact that I don't have murderous tendencies before Runescape?!

 

Uhhh ooo! We got us a BAD ASS over HERE!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hit me last night. Complete Bs that they mute with zero evidence and without it being against any rules. I'm petitioning support from [email protected] for a free month of membership for my kids inconvenience of being muted for 48 hours for doing nothing wrong.

 

Peace,

Vann

 

 

You deserve the mute, if it was up to me you would be banned.

 

Please tell me why I deserve the mute? I don't spam and I don't use offensive language. Therefore I have broken no rules.

 

As for being banned. I have done nothing to constitute a ban(scamming/rwt/botting) so don't tell me I deserve a ban when you don't know me

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Hit me last night. Complete Bs that they mute with zero evidence and without it being against any rules. I'm petitioning support from [email protected] for a free month of membership for my kids inconvenience of being muted for 48 hours for doing nothing wrong.

 

Peace,

Vann

 

 

You deserve the mute, if it was up to me you would be banned.

 

Please tell me why I deserve the mute? I don't spam and I don't use offensive language. Therefore I have broken no rules.

 

As for being banned. I have done nothing to constitute a ban(scamming/rwt/botting) so don't tell me I deserve a ban when you don't know me

 

See the problem here is your completely ignorant to the fact that a large majority of players view gambling as part of the down fall of the game they love.

 

It doesn't matter if your "legit" or have never scammed anyone, your purpetuating the problem.


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Americans can't play online poker.

Really? Not even poker without any real life spending or rewards? That sucks.

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