Mon Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Would it worth getting with a +44 mage bonus over a solid +91 mage bonus? Also just out of curiosity does Void Melee serve any purpose or is that only worth it if you don't have torso/ b gloves etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Hard Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Void mage isn't worth getting, however if you're getting void for range you may as well get all three helms IMO - personally think the only benefit of void melee and mage is situations you want to tribrid without wasting invent spaces... 'Rock Hard' boss pure - 60/60 Attack | 99/99 Range | 1/1 Defence | 44/44 Prayer | 99/99 Strength | 99/99 Mage - level 79 combat EOC ## '07 Server ## "Best Runescape update ever: Removing 6 years of updates." "Warning: If you are reading this then this warning is for you. Every word you read of this useless fine print is another second off your life. Don't you have other things to do? Is your life so empty that you honestly can't think of a better way to spend these moments? Or are you so impressed with authority that you give respect and credence to all that claim it? Do you read everything you're supposed to read? Do you think every thing you're supposed to think? Buy what you're told to want? Get out of your apartment. Meet a member of the opposite sex. Stop the excessive shopping and masturbation. Quit your job. Start a fight. Prove you're alive. If you don't claim your humanity you will become a statistic. You have been warned- Tyler" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemis1330 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 get melee so when gwd comes you can camp w6 bandos. I am not a skiller, but i do some skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mon Posted April 8, 2013 Author Share Posted April 8, 2013 I will be getting Void Range but if it's not worth it I'm not going to stay at PC for another 250 to get it and definitely not for the Melee helm. So +30% isn't worth it? That seems pretty good to me. get melee so when gwd comes you can camp w6 bandos.Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pure_fett Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 don't really know where the page was, but i remember there being a thread about the void mage set back in the day...if i remember correctly, void mage works like the magic prayer does in 07, just accuracy, and if i remember correctly again, i think the bonus from mystic/ahrims being better... i don't play psykick anymore... i play 2ed: "pure fett" 26081 to get 99 herblore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mon Posted April 8, 2013 Author Share Posted April 8, 2013 All mage armor only gives accuracy lol. Chaos gauntlets/ Charge are the only things that actually increase spell damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pure_fett Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 All mage armor only gives accuracy lol. Chaos gauntlets/ Charge are the only things that actually increase spell damage. sorry for the missunderstanding, that's what i ment, I just didnt want someone to think void increased damage. i don't play psykick anymore... i play 2ed: "pure fett" 26081 to get 99 herblore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerfrog Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Mage void is never worth using over mystic. I never understood why they didn't just make it improve your damage like range does, I mean it makes you so inaccurate that it's rarely worth using anyway especially for PVP, but for stuff like barrows DKs and demons it would have a good niche purpose, which is I think the intended point of void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mon Posted April 8, 2013 Author Share Posted April 8, 2013 I didn't realize it was +30% to mage attack, I thought it may have been levels or something. Even with the best mage bonus in every other slot it still isn't worth using over mystic/ farseer/ b gloves. It should give at least +50%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Mage void has always been shit, dunno why they didn't fix it before eoc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinyl DjPon3 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Mage void is never worth using over mystic. I never understood why they didn't just make it improve your damage like range does, I mean it makes you so inaccurate that it's rarely worth using anyway especially for PVP, but for stuff like barrows DKs and demons it would have a good niche purpose, which is I think the intended point of void. Void at DKs?Is that place really that big of a joke with EoC now? You used to actually need some defense there. An old player from 2004-2011. I'm back for the 2007 servers, let's see how long this lasts.My account's display name used to be Sir Izenhime Stupid Should Hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigilant Foe Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Broke it down here http://forums.zybez.net/topic/1574940-mage-void-vs-full-mystic/#entry15269857 Void mage is +30% accuracy Assuming 99 Magic, no potion, no prayer Infinity Boots, Seers Ring, God Cape, any Staff (+15 Magic), Glory/Fury (+10 Magic), Unholy Book, and full Void Mage = 52 Magic bonus All that gear except Void, Farseer helm, Mystic Robe Top, Mystic Robe Bottom, and Barrows Gloves = 99 Magic bonus FLOOR (1.3 * ((99 + 8) + 52)) = 206FLOOR ((99 + 8) + 99) = 206 At 99 Magic and that gear, they're equal in terms of accuracy. At any lower Magic level or any lower gear, Mystic is better. Offensive prayer or Magic Potion in addition to those previous conditions would make Void better. Isn't even relevant without deflector in the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinyl DjPon3 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 So void mage is betterAt 99 Mage, when using prayer or potions? Um, in those equations, where does the (99+8) come from? An old player from 2004-2011. I'm back for the 2007 servers, let's see how long this lasts.My account's display name used to be Sir Izenhime Stupid Should Hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wkw Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Magic potion Runescape player since 2005 Ego Sum Deus Quo Malum Caligo et Barathum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerfrog Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Mage void is never worth using over mystic. I never understood why they didn't just make it improve your damage like range does, I mean it makes you so inaccurate that it's rarely worth using anyway especially for PVP, but for stuff like barrows DKs and demons it would have a good niche purpose, which is I think the intended point of void. Void at DKs?Is that place really that big of a joke with EoC now? You used to actually need some defense there.I was talking about old school and just giving an example of where the horrible accuracy wouldn't be too detrimental to DPS. Also was really talking about safespotting rex only with mage as is popular to do. I'm not sure if it would be practical to use void over better armour there if it did give say +10% magic damage... @Equations... In your gear you missed mage's book for a +7 over unholy, and master wand for an extra +5, which would make void significantly better. I... What? Are you sure that's right? (I believe the +8 is just something to do with base accuracy and how the magic accuracy formula works in game. Melee has a similar thing.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerfrog Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 How does the prayer boost stack with void? Does it become (1.15 x 1.3)... Or 1.45? Also missed 3rd age ammy which is +5 over that gear, but that's understandable given it's rarity and value lol. Still though. This shows void is waaay better than mystic with 99 mage and good gear. I'm shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigilant Foe Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 So void mage is betterAt 99 Mage, when using prayer or potions? Um, in those equations, where does the (99+8) come from?Yeah, Void would be a little bit better than Mystic in an otherwise maxed-gear ideal condition. But if that's the case, you can probably use Ahrim's or something better than Mystic anyway. :P But any conditions lower than that, and Mystic would be better. The +8 is a constant. Without it, you would have 0% accuracy if your Attack/Magic/Ranged (respective) stat were at 0, regardless of what weapon you're using. Unrelated, but you can still get 0% accuracy if you get -64 accuracy in your style.How does the prayer boost stack with void? Does it become (1.15 x 1.3)... Or 1.45?Take level, multiply prayer bonus and round down, add 8, add style bonus (+3 if Accurate stance), multiply by void bonus and round down. So it would be ((1.15 * Level) + 8) * 1.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerfrog Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Just for reassurance I did the equation with the best gear in the game... Infinity Boots, Seers Ring, God Cape, Master Wand, 3rd age ammy, Mage's Book, and full Void Mage = 68 Magic bonus All that gear except Void, Farseer helm, Ahrim's top, Ahrim's bottom and Barrows Gloves = 132 Magic bonus FLOOR (1.3 * ((113 + 8) + 68)) = 245.7FLOOR ((113 + 8) + 132) = 253 [i got 113 by multiplying Level 99 by 1.15 for 15% Prayer and rounding down, wasn't sure how to represent that in the equation] So even with max tier gear Ahrim's works out quite a bit better than void. I didn't bother with pots because they're too insignificant per cost/inventory space for practical use, outside of PVP. You can do it in your head and see it brings them closer, but Ahrim's still the winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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